ironically. Instead, he just confirmed to me via his arguments that some kind of SKE scheme is being talked about, negotiated with one or more federal agencies, and may or may not be planned for future products. is Mr Gnu reading this? I think it's time another FOIA request was in order... G (who doesn't usually expect other people to do stuff that he could do himself, it's just that I don't think they'd look kindly on an FOIA request from Scotland ;-) )