[Declan McCullagh: "A List Goes Down In Flames," from Netly]
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 21:24:37 -0800 (PST)
From: Declan McCullagh
Declan McCullagh
But the veteran cypherpunk came under heavy fire in November 1996, when a loudmouthed flamer flooded the list with flame bait and ad hominem attacks on various members. Finally, Gilmore, ironically, gave him the boot [...]
Indeed, for months Gilmore seemed unable to do anything right. He tried moderation, which proved to be even more contentious, [...]
After the expulsion, some of the longtime list denizens left angrily, joining the 700 subscribers who had departed since the controversy began. One of those was Tim C. May, a crusty former Intel engineer who prides himself as the organizer of the first cypherpunk meeting in September 1992.
Tim left when the moderation experiment started, not after John
unsubscribed Dimitri, and blocked him from re-subscribing.
What does `crusty' mean as applied to a former Intel engineer?
Adam
--
print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<>
)]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0
At 9:21 AM +0000 2/14/97, Adam Back wrote:
Declan McCullagh
writes:
After the expulsion, some of the longtime list denizens left angrily, joining the 700 subscribers who had departed since the controversy began. One of those was Tim C. May, a crusty former Intel engineer who prides himself as the organizer of the first cypherpunk meeting in September 1992.
Tim left when the moderation experiment started, not after John unsubscribed Dimitri, and blocked him from re-subscribing.
Yes, I left after the "moderation" thing was announced as a fait accompli ("it _will_ happen"). Neither Eric Hughes, Hugh Daniel, nor I, as folks who have had some involvement in the group since the start, were apprised of this brainstorm. (I did not expect veto power, or a vote, but it would have been nice to hear, and maybe we could have pointed out the almost inevitable effects of censorship of the main list and thereby headed off this public relations screwup.) By the way, Declan took his comments from me or about me from what I've written. I haven't met him and our e-mail contact has been minimal. Importantly, I've always said that Eric Hughes and I were the co-organizers of the first meeting (and I usually note that it was held at Eric's place in Oakland). I didn't claim to Declan or anyone else that I was "the" organizer. But this is a minor error.
What does `crusty' mean as applied to a former Intel engineer?
And this is a more serious error! :-} I think "crusty" is just one of those words journalists like to use. Especially when describing anyone older than themselves. --Tim May Just say "No" to "Big Brother Inside" We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Adam Back
What does `crusty' mean as applied to a former Intel engineer?
Try definition 2 Word crusty (KRUHS'tee) adj. Definition --adj. -ier, -iest. 1. Like or having a crust. 2. Surly or brusk. Jer "standing on top of the world/ never knew how you never could/ never knew why you never could live/ innocent life that everyone did" -Wormhole -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQB1AwUBMwS3m8kz/YzIV3P5AQHNJgL+NtjXkx/EHmx9vXm9ucwmonam+2sXRwHB 4bCrz3SM9pk4VbcPhYjx+PRzmX3j9mvesPkkAXaYiUcnFUBmmF35YvIZnTxornfy kE30sVsW4juawhXGRIAWJ/5Ce9lBLPdp =bB+u -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
participants (4)
-
Adam Back
-
Jeremiah A Blatz
-
John Gilmore
-
Timothy C. May