Why Jodi Hoffman.....makes more sense than you think.
From: Lizard <lizard@mrlizard.com>:
So, allying yourself with people who would gladly force *your* childen to pray to *their* God doesn't bother you in the least. Fascinating.
=========== Interesting that you should mention this. I, like many other Jews, have finally noticed something about Christians.... Seems they're actually _more_ Jewish than Jews. At least they (Christians) try to follow the Ten Commandments, which is a hell of a lot more than I can say for most every Jew I've ever known. Most Jews, other than Orthodox, self-identify as atheists and don't even know how to conduct a Passover service! Unless you're Orthodox, being Jewish is a joke. IMHO, claiming to be a Reform or Conservative Jew is the same as being "kind of" pregnant. (bracing for fresh onslaught of anti-Semetic spears to be chucked) -- Jodi Hoffman R.A.M.P. http://www.gocin.com/ramp Victimization of Children/Research & Education Council of America 1304 SW 160th Avenue, Suite 122 Weston, Florida 33326 Phone: (954) 349-0366 Fax: (954) 349-0361
From: Lizard <lizard@mrlizard.com>:
So, allying yourself with people who would gladly force *your* childen to
At 09:23 AM 11/5/97 -0500, Jodi Hoffman wrote: pray to *their* God doesn't bother you in the least. Fascinating.
=========== Interesting that you should mention this. I, like many other Jews, have finally noticed something about Christians.... Seems they're actually _more_ Jewish than Jews. At least they (Christians) try to follow the Ten Commandments,
But they've got the Sabbath on the wrong day. :) And they certainly worship power more than they worship God, which is a violation of #1. which is a hell of a
lot more than I can say for most every Jew I've ever known. Most Jews, other than Orthodox, self-identify as atheists and don't even know how to conduct a Passover service!
You follow the step-by-step instructions in the little blue Maxwell House book with all the Hebrew words transliterarted into english syllables. Duh! Unless you're Orthodox, being Jewish
is a joke. IMHO, claiming to be a Reform or Conservative Jew is the same as being "kind of" pregnant.
So, you're saying my formerly Greek Orthodox friend who converted to Judaism (and who I call up when I need to remember what holiday is what 'cause she knows this stuff better than me) and goes to the only synagogue in New York with a lesbian Rabbi isn't a good Jew? Or, for that matter, my entire family? (Concervative Jews, except for my Uncle who got 'born again' and is now a minister in Virginia or something. But he produced ample grandchildren, so he was forgiven.)
(bracing for fresh onslaught of anti-Semetic spears to be chucked)
Given the dominant number of Red Sea Pedestrians on this list, I doubt most of the comments can be classed as anti-semetic. Anti-Jodi, perhaps -- but unlike the Jews, you've earned every barb tossed at you.
Jodi Hoffman wrote:
From: Lizard <lizard@mrlizard.com>:
So, allying yourself with people who would gladly force *your* childen to pray to *their* God doesn't bother you in the least. Fascinating.
(bracing for fresh onslaught of anti-Semetic spears to be chucked)
Lizard's a Semite. Could you cite examples of "anti-Semetic spears"? Paul The final elegance, not to console Nor sanctify, but plainly to propound.
From: Lizard <lizard@mrlizard.com>:
So, allying yourself with people who would gladly force *your* childen to
At 02:23 PM 11/5/97 +0000, Jodi Hoffman wrote: pray to *their* God doesn't bother you in the least. Fascinating.
=========== Interesting that you should mention this. I, like many other Jews, have finally noticed something about Christians.... Seems they're actually _more_ Jewish than Jews. At least they (Christians) try to follow the Ten Commandments, which is a hell of a lot more than I can say for most every Jew I've ever known. Most Jews, other than Orthodox, self-identify as atheists and don't even know how to conduct a Passover service! Unless you're Orthodox, being Jewish is a joke. IMHO, claiming to be a Reform or Conservative Jew is the same as being "kind of" pregnant.
(bracing for fresh onslaught of anti-Semetic spears to be chucked)
The spears I would chuck would be anti-ignorance, not anti-Sem*i*tic (spelling counts). But I won't chuck them, because I have suddenly seen the light that the religion I have practiced for almost half a century is a joke. And I've also just been enlightened that all of the members of my shul are jokes too. Damn, I've just come to realize that even my Rabbi is a joke. (Well, you may have a point there -- he is pretty funny.) I'd like to go ask my grandparents about this, but, alas, I can't. See, 3/4 of them never quite made it out of the camps alive. So in their absense, I am ever so grateful that you have chosen to explain my life to me. I do have a question, though -- actually, two. First, are you Orthodox? I would not dream of presuming about you, even though you seem to know all about me. Second, do you believe that there is only one true flavor of Christianity, or are you more tolerant of your Christian friends? If there is only one true Christianity, btw, please be so kind as let the world know what it is. -Jim, the kind of pregnant conservative Jew, who knows full well how to lead a Seder.
From: Lizard <lizard@mrlizard.com>:
So, allying yourself with people who would gladly force *your* childen to
=========== Interesting that you should mention this. I, like many other Jews, have finally noticed something about Christians.... Seems they're actually _more_ Jewish than Jews. At least they (Christians) try to follow the Ten Commandments, which is a hell of a lot more than I can say for most every Jew I've ever known. Most Jews, other than Orthodox, self-identify as atheists and don't even know how to conduct a Passover service! Unless you're Orthodox, being Jewish is a joke. IMHO, claiming to be a Reform or Conservative Jew is the same as being "kind of" pregnant.
(bracing for fresh onslaught of anti-Semetic spears to be chucked) Does that mean you expect others to say anti-semitic stuff or claim that you are being anti-semitic. I would go with the latter. Are you orthodox? If not, what right do you have to bash conservative or reform jews? If you are, please tell your friends in Israel that those of us with families who survived the death camps do not look kindly on their reinvention of fascism. It is all well and good to love the group you come from, but especially if you are jewish, pay attention to history. Have we not been
At 09:23 AM 11/5/97 -0500, Jodi Hoffman wrote: pray to *their* God doesn't bother you in the least. Fascinating. persecuted throughout history, how dare we, now that we have some measure of power, go on to persecue others? Think before you write please. On your other point, christians routinely break the _important_ commandments. (the first two) Go to any church and you will see no end to the idols they set up to their various saints, gods, etc. And they pray to whatever saint they want, or mary, or jesus (a mere messenger, even if the son of god, he ain't god) or whoever they feel like. Whatever happenned to 'Thou shalt have no gods before me!' -Colin
On Wed, 5 Nov 1997, Colin A. Reed wrote:
Interesting that you should mention this. I, like many other Jews, have finally noticed something about Christians.... Seems they're actually _more_ Jewish than Jews. At least they (Christians) try to follow the Ten Commandments, which is a hell of a lot more than I can say for most every Jew I've ever known. Most Jews, other than Orthodox, self-identify as atheists and don't even know how to conduct a Passover service! Unless you're Orthodox, being Jewish is a joke. IMHO, claiming to be a Reform or Conservative Jew is the same as being "kind of" pregnant.
(bracing for fresh onslaught of anti-Semetic spears to be chucked) Does that mean you expect others to say anti-semitic stuff or claim that you are being anti-semitic. I would go with the latter. Are you orthodox? If not, what right do you have to bash conservative or reform jews? If you are, please tell your friends in Israel that those of us with families who survived the death camps do not look kindly on their reinvention of fascism. It is all well and good to love the group you come from, but especially if you are jewish, pay attention to history. Have we not been
At 09:23 AM 11/5/97 -0500, Jodi Hoffman wrote: persecuted throughout history, how dare we, now that we have some measure of power, go on to persecue others? Think before you write please. On your other point, christians routinely break the _important_ commandments. (the first two) Go to any church and you will see no end to the idols they set up to their various saints, gods, etc. And they pray to whatever saint they want, or mary, or jesus (a mere messenger, even if the son of god, he ain't god) or whoever they feel like. Whatever happenned to 'Thou shalt have no gods before me!'
Well, Colin. The idols you spoke of are simply transmogrified versions of Adonis and Demeter from Roman paganism. (I assume youre referring to the Roman Catholic Church). Having been a Roman Catholic and for some twenty years been an ex-catholic I've spent years research the apparent transition from a Roman Senate/ Emperor dominated world to a Roman PaganJudeoChristian dominated world. (at least until the reformation took hold). Then England dominated the seas which was just an extension of the Roman power center. To some degree that is why the founding fathers were so adamant about separation of church and state. The last thing they wanted was another theocracy to graft itself onto their new creation. Of course, given the vagaries of entropy, the state eventually became their religion. Be careful what you wish for. You may get it. jim burnes
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