Re: America as a Shake Down Extortion State
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Ryan Anderson wrote:
Tim May wrote:
The debate over crypto almost certainly fits this pattern. If and when a domestic ban on crypto is likely to pass and be signed, companies like RSA and PGP will face extinction. This will then "incentivize" executives of these companies to release funds, in the form of campaign
Actually, I think it's a little more likely that they'll get disgusted with Congress, and collect some money for the ACLU to use to pay their lawyers in the instant filing of the consitutionality challenge.
Seems to be a much more productive way to spend your money (long-term).
Bullshit! Fuck the lawyers! By wasting time and money in the courts bickering about the stupid laws that buffoons in Congress pass in order to justify their existence, we are only ignoring the real issue: you cannot use the system to change the system. What amazes me is the amount of time and energy well-intentioned folks piss away trying to convince legislators to "do the right thing". By paying attention to these idiots, we are in effect legitimatizing their actions. If enough people come to their senses and ignored this bogus legislation, we will all be much better off in much less time. Tim May wrote elsewhere:
Face it, Amerika is basically a Mafia shake-down operation, with the power of the State used to shake down protection money.
This is why I favor crypto anarchy: by concentrating on ignoring laws and deploying technology, this extortion state system is bypassed.
Exactly. Spend the money on deploying the technology. Don't waste it lining the pockets of scum legislators and their litigious brethren. The big question is do PGP, RSA, Netscape et al have the balls to stand up for themselves and tell the DC politcos to fuck off? We can only hope... [ Imastun ] - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQCNAzQ+SNwAAAEEANhUVaFtM+8ZLhEhur55LhN0m/aUyemwVExEq96RUXkQlvBw H45ZcEMYzml7k2hM84rQiJEd/BPi18dhtXykz0vYqmke6BKDiAsR95ik+Jm3XXMU OQgHo0+asRJ85BOG+jm3424e4vY5/eTFaExNISW5T8XD+qgRgnC/ZQW0eQF1AAUR tBZJbWFzdHVuIDxsaWJlcnR5QHJpc2s+iQCVAwUQND5KIXC/ZQW0eQF1AQESOwP+ MPNlXlv/hzqoAaqXu4RpNR02XcMLOB5DwhG1pLij3Tt6uYfRqZul8eJ9LxvQ0R/R eT7g+j3dNpjcOSdCci4VYAPfdBK78esgDIn61cOiN29fGRwjJOO5rup9RvXBQt+T +Sf7D1gYlr/aDUGKMiBGGZhx2git7zpL7uqnvQn0WY8= =bXK7 - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBND5M5HC/ZQW0eQF1AQE4HwP+JJ1eiIFGVguO5PwRsRl0gAiVxYiSGpHP 6h8le1QAgNJTlCz7C/ObNjVmtHnw6vjcYewLXSsnF59cRPakAD/Y4NLSLP/vPzWk gbx6t9X8hb0vC2LWOA/UcXZQBoqfLEXexm4LehKU0LpDL7ggy6SBw8PDEOr3InSh f15W51XTv/0= =OBNd -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 01:32 PM 10/10/97 -0400, Anonymous wrote:
Actually, I think it's a little more likely that they'll get disgusted with
Congress, and collect some money for the ACLU to use to pay their lawyers in the instant filing of the consitutionality challenge.
Seems to be a much more productive way to spend your money (long-term).
Bullshit! Fuck the lawyers!
By wasting time and money in the courts bickering about the stupid laws that
buffoons in Congress pass in order to justify their existence, we are only ignoring the real issue: you cannot use the system to change the system.
That's the point - you ignore the legislation until it becomes a problem for you. Then you challenge it and get a legal precedent to stop it from happening again. The judicial system is in *much* better shape than the legislative system (even though they are strongly related) This, however, is not to say that the judicial system is in good shape. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBND64fDc3ytqHnNyNAQFdUwP+NxJiiOfCxa8b6ONY0sLxFt8+NZBcf0fr WkYH4xA33a+Q1B81YL0CNQqxRpVue+CWh0Qp1JLKIHZjKrI/hMHmo/znCpJO6uDP 4BRzq8LauWF8OTKT/r7Q2dJbqSs1ISb9FZE3FOYK0lb0By7w+TfiRXzUwTkYCH6E 7vKvV/4PsuU= =5vpe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ryan Anderson - <Pug Majere> "Who knows, even the horse might sing" Wayne State University - CULMA "May you live in interesting times.." randerso@ece.eng.wayne.edu PGP Fingerprint - 7E 8E C6 54 96 AC D9 57 E4 F8 AE 9C 10 7E 78 C9 -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Certainly I trust the courts at least a little more than I do the legislature. The current Supreme Court, for example in the _McIntyre_ case and the CDA, has been quite good on traditional free speech cases. But courts are much more deferential to the government on national security issues, even trumped-up ones. While the right to speak privately is (I believe) an important free speech issue, traditional jurists may be reluctant to agree. In other words: don't rely on the current Supreme Court to overturn a mandatory-GAK law, especially if it has holes cut out of the escrow fabric for corporations, etc. -Declan At 19:21 -0400 10/10/97, Ryan Anderson wrote:
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At 01:32 PM 10/10/97 -0400, Anonymous wrote:
Actually, I think it's a little more likely that they'll get disgusted with
Congress, and collect some money for the ACLU to use to pay their lawyers in the instant filing of the consitutionality challenge.
Seems to be a much more productive way to spend your money (long-term).
Bullshit! Fuck the lawyers!
By wasting time and money in the courts bickering about the stupid laws that
buffoons in Congress pass in order to justify their existence, we are only ignoring the real issue: you cannot use the system to change the system.
That's the point - you ignore the legislation until it becomes a problem for you. Then you challenge it and get a legal precedent to stop it from happening again.
The judicial system is in *much* better shape than the legislative system (even though they are strongly related)
This, however, is not to say that the judicial system is in good shape. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv
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