Tim May is a fine person.
Tim May's early support of the cypherpunk concept has helped advance the culture of humanity! A true scholar, Tim analyzes the various ideas presented to the cypherpunks list, and gives his honest opinion, even when that opinion is not popular. In doing so, Tim displays truly noble courage. Unlike some others on this list, Tim has not sought to make purely personal attacks of the other inhabitants of the list and has shown impeccable restraint in doing so.
Timmy May continues to post nonsensical praises in his name using an anonymous remailer.... Timmy May <anonymous@miron.vip.best.com> writes:
Tim May's early support of the cypherpunk concept has helped advance the culture of humanity! A true scholar, Tim analyzes the various ideas presented to the cypherpunks list, and gives his honest opinion, even when that opinion is not popular. In doing so, Tim displays truly noble courage.
Timmy May is an ignorant coward. He's got nothing better to do, so he starts up flame wars on this mailing list. He can't contribute anything crypto-relevant because he knows nothing about cryptography.
Unlike some others on this list, Tim has not sought to make purely personal attacks of the other inhabitants of the list and has shown impeccable restraint in doing so.
This is a lie. Anyone who's been subscribed to this mailing list for a while knows that Timmy May posts to most personal attacks (inlcuiding attacks on his many enemies' religion and ethnicity), lies, fabricated quotes, flame bait, and overall noise. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps
On Tue, 22 Oct 1996, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:
Timmy May continues to post nonsensical praises in his name using an anonymous remailer....
I doubt Tim May has posted this - he's done a fine job of staying out of this stupidity.
Timmy May <anonymous@miron.vip.best.com> writes:
Tim May's early support of the cypherpunk concept has helped
Timmy May is an ignorant coward. He's got nothing better to do, so he starts up flame wars on this mailing list. He can't contribute anything crypto-relevant because he knows nothing about cryptography.
As I recall, he posted ONE piece of satire back in August. It was a humourous jest, and you do make yourself an easy target. You've been on him ever since, which proves that you can't take a joke at all. Your rants have been the longest running one-sided response to a troll that I have ever seen. Quit while you're behind. Sandy has made you a generous offer to come out to the west coast, expenses paid, and enlighten everyone with your knowledge of crypto. You seem to find all manner of excuses to avoid the trip, and are using his offer as a further opportunity to insult the list.
This is a lie. Anyone who's been subscribed to this mailing list for a while knows that Timmy May posts to most personal attacks (inlcuiding attacks on his many enemies' religion and ethnicity), lies, fabricated quotes, flame bait, and overall noise.
Look in the mirror - attacks on religion, ethnicity, flame bait, NOISE ... Fitting description of Dimitri, no? Sandy - nice try at shutting up the kook, but you're just giving him the attention he craves at this point. Not one person has spoken up publicly in defense of dlv; one person who has met him did speak on his behalf via private mail, but appears to have changed his mind. The points have been made. The best thing to do is drop dlv into the killfile, and ignore him. I, diseased nocturnal marsupial, pledge to post no more crap to this list in response to, or regarding, one Dimitri Vulis, KOTM. Take the pledge. Just say no. -r.w.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . C'punks, On Tue, 22 Oct 1996, Rabid Wombat wrote:
Sandy - nice try at shutting up the kook, but you're just giving him the attention he craves at this point.
Not one person has spoken up publicly in defense of dlv; one person who has met him did speak on his behalf via private mail, but appears to have changed his mind. The points have been made. The best thing to do is drop dlv into the killfile, and ignore him.
I think the Wombat may have this one nailed. I have made the same mistake others on this list have made--I assumed some semblance of rationality, civility and knowledge of appropriate social behavior in another. Giving someone the benefit of a doubt is not a bad thing, but to continue doing so indefinitely is. I'll let my offer of airfare, lodging and transportation stand through the end of the month, then it will automatically be withdrawn and the pledge partners will be off the hook. If Dimitri wishes to address a future meeting of SF Bay area Cypherpunks at our expense, he must unequivocally commit to it before midnight (California time) October 31. After that, it will be up to him to pay his own way or to pass the plate on his own. (Personally, I'm convinced that he is far to big a coward to ever come here, no matter what the inducement.) Other than with regard to my offer, I am taking RW's pledge. Shunning works for the Amish; I think it can work for us too. S a n d y ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
cc:'d to John Gilmore. Rabid Wombat <wombat@mcfeely.bsfs.org> writes:
Timmy May is an ignorant coward. He's got nothing better to do, so he starts up flame wars on this mailing list. He can't contribute anything crypto-relevant because he knows nothing about cryptography.
As I recall, he posted ONE piece of satire back in August. It was a
You "recall" wrong. There were about a dozen flames posted by Tim May over the summer, attacking me for no apparent reason and attributing to me various nonsense I never said. I replied to Tim off-list saying that I never said anything resembling the stuff he ascribed to me, and that if he has a problem with something he thinks I said in another forum, he should address it in that forum, not cp. He never replied to me, but kept on flaming me. I never responded to Tim's flames until I became aware in September that he's been contacting various people not on the c-punks list to complain about what I supposedly post to this list - again, attributing to me nonsense I never said, not on this list, nor elsewhere. Your false "recollection" is based on a couple of lies Tim May posted to this list: one claiming that he posted one "satire" and one claiming that he disagreed with me over von Mises. To see that Tim lied (and that you repeated his lies) just search the list archives and count the number of times he viciously attacked me on this mailing list before I responded.
Sandy has made you a generous offer to come out to the west coast, expenses paid, and enlighten everyone with your knowledge of crypto. You seem to find all manner of excuses to avoid the trip, and are using his offer as a further opportunity to insult the list.
So far, I'm not convinced that this trip would be productive. I'll be happy to discuss my work and cryptogrpahy in general and social implication thereof with anyone. However it seems that Sandy et al aren't capable of discussing any subject without flaming and gratuitous insults.
This is a lie. Anyone who's been subscribed to this mailing list for a while knows that Timmy May posts to most personal attacks (inlcuiding attacks on his many enemies' religion and ethnicity), lies, fabricated quotes, flame bait, and overall noise.
Look in the mirror - attacks on religion, ethnicity, flame bait, NOISE ...
Fitting description of Tim May. Tim and his "supporters" have posted dozens of flames to this mailing list about Russians, Cossacks (what do I have to do with Cossacks???), Jews, etc, in a (failed) effort to offend me. Search the archives for "Russian" and you'll see slurs like "Don't tell our Russian what a petard is" or "Rude even by Russian standards" not to mention a dozen claims that I can't speak English. Tim May reminds me of one very stupid woman on Usenet who decided for some reason that I must be Lithuanian and posted several diatribes on how my supposed inbred Lithuanian heritage is somehow connected to my genetic deficiencies. Tim May, flaming the Cossacks in an effort to offend me, is as stupid and ignorant as most Americans. On the other hand, Ray Arachelian is a typical product of the hate- filled Armenian culture. Folks fortunate enough not to know many Armenians don't realize that their self-identification is built upon the hatred for Moslems, hatred for Jews, for their Georgian neighbors, and generally everyone. Ray spouting off about "amoeba shit" sounds like a typical hate-crazed Armenian, despite being in California. Tim May posts more flame bait to this mailing list than anyone, mostly in the form of personal attacks, or attacks on entire groups (like mormons). Tim May attacked the mormons and started a flame war which I help quench by asking people not to contribute anymore to that thread - you lie when you accuse _me of what Tim May did.
I, diseased nocturnal marsupial, pledge to post no more crap to this list in response to, or regarding, one Dimitri Vulis, KOTM.
I'm not bothered by the crap posted in response to what I post. For example, I used to post "crypto-relevant wire clippings" to this list. (I pretty much quit because no one seems to be interested in crypto here anymore.) Certain friends of Tim tried to "defend" him by mailing back to me multiple copies of the "wire clippings" with obscenities appended. So, I finally took the time to figure out a way to filter them out. These don't bother me. If I see more unprovoked attacks on me on this mailing list from Tim May or any of his "friends", I will respond and will point out that Tim May is a liar. So far I have not started any flame wars on this list and all of my responses were inferior in volume and viotriol to the originals. If you want Tim May to continue attacking me on this list without being hampered by my responses, you'll have to block me by technical means. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps
On Tue, 22 Oct 1996, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:
On the other hand, Ray Arachelian is a typical product of the hate- filled Armenian culture. Folks fortunate enough not to know many Armenians don't realize that their self-identification is built upon the hatred for Moslems, hatred for Jews, for their Georgian neighbors, and generally everyone. Ray spouting off about "amoeba shit" sounds like a typical hate-crazed Armenian, despite being in California.
Thanks man. Keep going, I sure could use your money. Slander away. Don't stop. Just keep it up and soon all of your pay check will go in my pocket. ============================================================================= + ^ + | Ray Arachelian |FL| KAOS KERAUNOS KYBERNETOS |==/|\== \|/ |sunder@sundernet.com|UL|__Nothing_is_true,_all_is_permitted!_|=/\|/\= <--+-->| ------------------ |CG|What part of 'Congress shall make no |=\/|\/= /|\ | "A toast to Odin, |KA| law abridging the freedom of speech'|==\|/== + v + |God of screwdrivers"|AK| do you not understand? |======= ========================http://www.sundernet.com============================= If the Macintosh is a woman... Then Windows is a Transvestite! ActiveX! ActiveX! Format Hard drive? Just say yes!
On Tue, 22 Oct 1996, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:
Timmy May continues to post nonsensical praises in his name using an anonymous remailer....
How do you know that it's him?
Timmy May is an ignorant coward. He's got nothing better to do,
Lesse now, you must be projecting. After all, you were invited to speak in San Fran, you declined backing out as only a coward would, not outright "No" but rather "When I have the time" and refused to plan this ahead, even months ahead. Yet, you seem to have plenty of time to flame here, so you really have lots of free time - to flame and be cowardly. And your ignorance is legendary around here. You ignore netiquette and flame and cause flame wars and spam.
so he starts up flame wars on this mailing list. He can't contribute anything crypto-relevant because he knows nothing about cryptography.
So what do you contribute other than copyrighted news postings and huge flames, and do so without the author's permission? Or do you have their written permission?
This is a lie. Anyone who's been subscribed to this mailing list for a while knows that Timmy May posts to most personal attacks (inlcuiding attacks on his many enemies' religion and ethnicity), lies, fabricated quotes, flame bait, and overall noise.
I have been on this list since 1992 and can attest to the fact that the above paragraph which you have written is false. I have seen more personal attacks, flames, racial prejudice, and lies from you than from anyone else on here. I guess you are of the belief that if you lie in every message about someone violently enough, eventually someone will believe your bullshit. That someone isn't me Vulis. An asshole is an assole, and you sir sure fart like one. Get off this list. Take your shit elsewhere, we don't want you here. Be gone! ============================================================================= + ^ + | Ray Arachelian |FL| KAOS KERAUNOS KYBERNETOS |==/|\== \|/ |sunder@sundernet.com|UL|__Nothing_is_true,_all_is_permitted!_|=/\|/\= <--+-->| ------------------ |CG|What part of 'Congress shall make no |=\/|\/= /|\ | "A toast to Odin, |KA| law abridging the freedom of speech'|==\|/== + v + |God of screwdrivers"|AK| do you not understand? |======= ========================http://www.sundernet.com============================= If the Macintosh is a woman... Then Windows is a Transvestite! ActiveX! ActiveX! Format Hard drive? Just say yes!
Ray Arachelian <sunder@brainlink.com> writes:
So what do you contribute other than copyrighted news postings and huge flames, and do so without the author's permission? Or do you have their written permission?
You have a point thee - I'll stop, not because IBM or Netscape might mind my reposting their press releases here, but because I've recept some pretty rude e-mail from John Gilmore telling me to stop posting off-topic to this mailing list, which has turned into a playground for Timmy May and other inane flamers. Clearly, anything "crypto-relevant" is off-topic. Only ethnic flames about Cossacks (???) and religious flames about mormons, posted prodigiously by Timmy May and his cohorts, are on-topic. P.S. I do have Dr. Argic's permission to repost his collection of materials on the genocide of Jews and Moslems by Armenians. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps
On Wed, 23 Oct 1996, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:
You have a point thee - I'll stop, not because IBM or Netscape might mind my reposting their press releases here, but because I've recept some pretty rude e-mail from John Gilmore telling me to stop posting off-topic to this mailing list, which has turned into a playground for Timmy May and other inane flamers. Clearly, anything "crypto-relevant" is off-topic. Only ethnic flames about Cossacks (???) and religious flames about mormons, posted prodigiously by Timmy May and his cohorts, are on-topic.
At last some progress has been made with you. At least the news spams will stop. And no, crypto-relevant stuff is on topic, flames and spams aren't.
P.S. I do have Dr. Argic's permission to repost his collection of materials on the genocide of Jews and Moslems by Armenians.
Lovely, but also off topic. ============================================================================= + ^ + | Ray Arachelian |FL| KAOS KERAUNOS KYBERNETOS |==/|\== \|/ |sunder@sundernet.com|UL|__Nothing_is_true,_all_is_permitted!_|=/\|/\= <--+-->| ------------------ |CG|What part of 'Congress shall make no |=\/|\/= /|\ | "A toast to Odin, |KA| law abridging the freedom of speech'|==\|/== + v + |God of screwdrivers"|AK| do you not understand? |======= ========================http://www.sundernet.com============================= If the Macintosh is a woman... Then Windows is a Transvestite! ActiveX! ActiveX! Format Hard drive? Just say yes!
At 6:05 PM -0400 10/22/96, Ray Arachelian wrote:
On Tue, 22 Oct 1996, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:
Timmy May continues to post nonsensical praises in his name using an anonymous remailer....
How do you know that it's him?
I'll comment on this only because I plan to comment on another point below. So, while I'm at it... I've seen several of these anonymously posted "Tim is a fine person" and "Tim is a saint amongst saints" messages. I delete them as I do the crud Vulis posts posts anonymously. In fact, the _style_ of these praise posts look like a pastiche of Vulis' style...my working assumption is that they are also being written by Vulis, for his own purposes. (As with that other crazy Russian, VZNUri, and the nom de nym he adopted since arriving in America, "Lance (you can call me Larry) Detweiler," Vulis constant refers to "tentacles" when he is almost certainly _the_ major user of anonymous posts. Ironic that both Vulis and Detweiler railed against the things they were themselves the heaviest users of.) ...
I have been on this list since 1992 and can attest to the fact that the above paragraph which you have written is false. I have seen more personal attacks, flames, racial prejudice, and lies from you than from anyone else on here. I guess you are of the belief that if you lie in every message about someone violently enough, eventually someone will believe your bullshit.
Vulis is a student of "the Big Lie," the notion that if one repeats a lie often and loudly enough, it begins to be believed. Hey, it worked for Adolph. As I've said, I've received several messages from twits asking me why I'm not defending myself on a daily basis against Vulis, and speculating that perhaps this means Vulis is right and I am indeed a dandruff-covered homosexual Sovok Tchurka Jew. Several of these correspondents are now residents in that part of cyberspace I call my killfile. By the way, I have remained utterly silent on this "Let's fly Dimitri to the Bay Area!" nonsense (except for some private mail to Sandy and R. Wombat about it). I personally think this whole "Dimitri fund" is a lousy idea. First, it has consumed bandwidth (at least 30-40 messages, I figure). Second, the result was predictable, that DLV would of course dangle his answer for days or weeks, but would ultimately worm out of a straight answer. Third, it sends the wrong message. I choose to killfile jerks, not reward them with airfare and hotel accomomadations! If fools and jerks are rewarded with trips for their boorishness, guess what we'll get? Yes, even more boors and knaves. Oh, and I certainly hope no one expected _my_ attendance at that "Vulis greets the Bay Aryans" meeting. I certainly wouldn't drive 100 miles to San Francisco to meet a cretin like Vulis. I suggest that, as with Detweiler and as with other disruptors, _attention_ is what he craves. The more the list is disrupted, the better he likes it. All of this foo-faw about whether he'll accept "our" invitation (Sandy's, of course), and all of the denunciations of his rants, just feeds this process. No, I won't "take the pledge" to stop talking about him, as some are already starting to do. I believe in actions, not slogans. I guess I'm not much of a joiner. I never donated to the United Way, so I'm not real big either on "Take the Pledge!!" campaigns. Killfiles are a lot more direct. --Tim May "The government announcement is disastrous," said Jim Bidzos,.."We warned IBM that the National Security Agency would try to twist their technology." [NYT, 1996-10-02] We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1,257,787-1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
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