Re: Digicash will not fly (not)
At 5:41 AM 10/30/95, M. F. (Pat wrote:
"James A. Donald" <jamesd@echeque.com wrote:
While Chaum is a brilliant cryptographer, he is an incompetent businessman
He has demonstrated this in numerous ways.
The latest being "Cash" where the bank skims off 4% to 10% every time.
No one is going to use digicash under these kinds of terms and conditions.
Doesn't just about everyone do precisely this when they pay sales tax? Every time a buck arrives or departs a hand one pays a tax yet the system (you and I)continues accepting these terms albeit painfully.
Many types of business dealings are exempt from sales tax, through arrangements for resales. I don't know if the "skims off 4% to 10% every time" point accurately describes how the current Digicash model works, but certainly this will not fly as a long term rate. So many monetary transactions happen in the course of business that even a 4% fee _per transaction_ would rapidly wipe out most of the value. --Tim May Views here are not the views of my Internet Service Provider or Government. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^756839 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."
One point worth noting is that the 5% cut used to be a typical fee for credit-card transactions. However, that cut only happened once per purchace, whereas digicash may incur this fee many more times. When I daydreamed about setting up a digicash issuer, I was thinking on the lines of a 2% fee for converting real money into digicash, then refunding any excess beyond cost of operations at the end of the year. Converting from real money to digicash is the most risky part of operations, so reserves should be proportional to this. Since my fantasy bank has a policy of not paying interest on digicash accounts, and keeping all assets in cash on (at worst) overnight deposit, this keeps things really safe. BTW, since I've got an aunt who lives in St. Brelade, the bank is in St Helier, Jersey, which has the great advantage of being one of the few Tax Havens to be able to get the Archers on FM. Simon
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.951030121921.17834E-100000@tipper.oit.unc.edu>, Simon Spero <ses@tipper.oit.unc.edu> wrote:
One point worth noting is that the 5% cut used to be a typical fee for credit-card transactions. However, that cut only happened once per purchace, whereas digicash may incur this fee many more times.
I think there are two major differences between credit cards and digicash that affect the pricing structure. 1. Applicability We think of eventually using digicash for everything. You wouldn't just use it to pay Sears for a sweater, but Sears would use it to pay for the wool and for their taxes. A 5% hit may be ok for the final transaction, but it's impossible if you incur it every time money is exchanged. Credit cards are mostly consumer items and don't have this problem as much, and the states have invented resale licenses specifically to exempt you from paying sales tax at every step. I realize that digicash is being marketed as a consumer item, but I'd like to see it eventually become a standard banking instrument. I certianly trust it more than I trust EFT. 2. Float Cash schemes are unique in that while your money is in the ecash mint, the bank has the use of it. Don't underestimate the importance of this in a high-volume business; if digicash were popular, the banks would cut their margins to the point where this would probably be the major source of revenue. But it would be substantial. I think digicash out to be priced comparably to traveller's checks. That is what they are closest to. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMJVRJOyjYMb1RsVfAQGMeQP/eg77ud1E1lyoWhERLkHXOawHaaUXcz/j mZoCD4ujmkiBmOmvqCyITG9UFOKSjzJ4aA8AC81AVPhCxVLIahMLZBFb2IvANz4r jLJraWyBNWpLk4TN/djwPcMdtMcQsAMTWB5IYeQDvp3IWS/rnIr01Zs0RiKYlE3q 7X5zuwDMujc= =BBfH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Shields.
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