At 2:49 PM 3/3/96 -0500, Dr. Dimitri Vulis wrote:
As a side remark, every burglar alarm connected to a phone that I've ever seen has this feature: a code that one can type under duress that will both turn off the alarm and call for help. I wonder how many users will remember this code when under duress.
The air-transport system has had a Hijack transponder code for years. The pilot dials it into the air traffic system radar transponder when the plane is hijacked. However there is a problem. One of the private pilot magazines reported that a small plane operator used the code (because his airplane was, in fact, being hijacked). When he landed the airplane, it was surrounded by LEA, and in the ensuing gun battle, everyone on the airplane died. The went on to say that the safety of the passengers and airplane are the pilot's primary responsibility and that pilots should consider this incident when deciding to use the code. Duress codes need to be designed to minimized the chance of such responses when they are used. Regards - Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Frantz | The CDA means | Periwinkle -- Computer Consulting (408)356-8506 | lost jobs and | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz@netcom.com | dead teenagers | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA
At 2:49 PM 3/3/96 -0500, Dr. Dimitri Vulis wrote:
As a side remark, every burglar alarm connected to a phone that I've ever seen has this feature: a code that one can type under duress that will both turn off the alarm and call for help. I wonder how many users will remember this code when under duress.
The air-transport system has had a Hijack transponder code for years. The pilot dials it into the air traffic system radar transponder when the plane is hijacked. However there is a problem.
One of the private pilot magazines reported that a small plane operator used the code (because his airplane was, in fact, being hijacked). When he landed the airplane, it was surrounded by LEA, and in the ensuing gun battle, everyone on the airplane died. The went on to say that the safety of the passengers and airplane are the pilot's primary responsibility and that pilots should consider this incident when deciding to use the code.
Sorry, but what's LEA stand for?
Duress codes need to be designed to minimized the chance of such responses when they are used.
Regards - Bill
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At 2:49 PM 3/3/96 -0500, Dr. Dimitri Vulis wrote: One of the private pilot magazines reported that a small plane operator used the code (because his airplane was, in fact, being hijacked). When he landed the airplane, it was surrounded by LEA, and in the ensuing gun battle, everyone on the airplane died. The went on to say that the safety of the passengers and airplane are the pilot's primary responsibility and that pilots should consider this incident when deciding to use the code. Actually, that is an urban legend which grew out of a real incident. What actually happened was that they thought the private pilot couldn't really have been hijacked, so when he landed *he* was arrested for creating a public nuisance or something. It wasn't till later, when they found the shotgun-toting druggie, that they believed him... Greg Travis was the pilot's name, I imagine AltaVista might find his original posting. Greg. Greg Rose INTERNET: greg_rose@sydney.sterling.com Sterling Software VOICE: +61-2-9975 4777 FAX: +61-2-9975 2921 28 Rodborough Rd. http://www.sydney.sterling.com:8080/~ggr/ French's Forest 35 0A 79 7D 5E 21 8D 47 E3 53 75 66 AC FB D9 45 NSW 2086 Australia. co-mod sci.crypt.research, USENIX Director.
On Sun, 3 Mar 1996, Bill Frantz wrote:
At 2:49 PM 3/3/96 -0500, Dr. Dimitri Vulis wrote:
As a side remark, every burglar alarm connected to a phone that I've ever seen has this feature: a code that one can type under duress that will both turn off the alarm and call for help. I wonder how many users will remember this code when under duress.
The air-transport system has had a Hijack transponder code for years. The pilot dials it into the air traffic system radar transponder when the plane is hijacked.
Of course, all smart air piracy buffs know the transponder code is 7600, and refuse to allow the pilots to use it.
However there is a problem.
One of the private pilot magazines reported that a small plane operator used the code (because his airplane was, in fact, being hijacked). When he landed the airplane, it was surrounded by LEA, and in the ensuing gun battle, everyone on the airplane died. The went on to say that the safety of the passengers and airplane are the pilot's primary responsibility and that pilots should consider this incident when deciding to use the code.
Duress codes need to be designed to minimized the chance of such responses when they are used.
Regards - Bill
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On Sun, 3 Mar 1996, Black Unicorn wrote:
Of course, all smart air piracy buffs know the transponder code is 7600, and refuse to allow the pilots to use it.
Typo on my part. This should, of course, read 7500.
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