Well, I tried subscribing to cypherpunks-e@htp.org, the English-language relative of cypherpunks-j. There may have been one or two independent postings, but almost everything there was just the main cypherpunks list, forwarded and with archiving numbers stuck in the Subject: line. That wasn't a very good idea; people who want to subscribe to cypherpunks should do so directly, but if you do want to build a fourth list address for cypherpunks, you can check with Igor Chudov and Lance Cottrell about the software that makes it work without looping. However, a day or two ago, something broke, and most of the 1400+ messages I've gotten have been Mailer-Daemon complaints about not being able to reach somewhere or other for four hours. It may be because ssz.com was down for a couple of days, or may be from something else, but it's failed spectacularly. Killfiles are your friend, but for now I've simply unsubscribed. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, stewarts@ix.netcom.com Regular Key PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639