Re: in defense on Lon Horiuchi
Zooko Journeyman blathered:
There are many issues one could legitimately argue regarding a policeman who accidentally kills a non-combatant bystander during a fight. But comparing such a policemen to a terrorist who deliberately targets non-combatants with a bomb is beyond the pale. That, but for my interruption, this comparison would have passed unremarked among the cypherpunks crowd is damning.
As Tim and others have noted from time to time, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. A corollary to this is that one man's policeman is another man's terrorist. Calling Horiuchi - a //trained sniper// - a policeman is stretching credulity. Consider too that the Weavers weren't threatening anyone when they were initially attacked/ambushed by the Feds - so in what way were the Feds fulfilling a "policeman" role? In any case, it wasn't really my intention to "compare" the deeds of Horiuchi and McVeigh. I was merely noting that the defense of Horiuchi by Herr Direktor Freeh could have been used nearly verbatim in McVeigh's behalf. As you've pointed out, though, there /is/ that crucial difference though, isn't there? One of them has a badge and gets paid by the taxpayers, which makes him a "policeman."
On Fri, Sep 12, 1997 at 02:01:59PM +0200, Anonymous wrote:
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As Tim and others have noted from time to time, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. A corollary to this is that one man's policeman is another man's terrorist. Calling Horiuchi - a //trained sniper// - a policeman is stretching credulity. Consider too that the Weavers weren't threatening anyone when they were initially attacked/ambushed by the Feds - so in what way were the Feds fulfilling a "policeman" role?
In any case, it wasn't really my intention to "compare" the deeds of Horiuchi and McVeigh. I was merely noting that the defense of Horiuchi by Herr Direktor Freeh could have been used nearly verbatim in McVeigh's behalf. As you've pointed out, though, there /is/ that crucial difference though, isn't there? One of them has a badge and gets paid by the taxpayers, which makes him a "policeman."
That's a big difference, of course. Note also that terrorists and freedom fighters are *both* outside the law, and are quite different from police. -- Kent Crispin "No reason to get excited", kent@songbird.com the thief he kindly spoke... PGP fingerprint: B1 8B 72 ED 55 21 5E 44 61 F4 58 0F 72 10 65 55 http://songbird.com/kent/pgp_key.html
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <19970913231227.65437@bywater.songbird.com>, on 09/13/97 at 11:12 PM, Kent Crispin <kent@songbird.com> said:
On Fri, Sep 12, 1997 at 02:01:59PM +0200, Anonymous wrote:
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As Tim and others have noted from time to time, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. A corollary to this is that one man's policeman is another man's terrorist. Calling Horiuchi - a //trained sniper// - a policeman is stretching credulity. Consider too that the Weavers weren't threatening anyone when they were initially attacked/ambushed by the Feds - so in what way were the Feds fulfilling a "policeman" role?
In any case, it wasn't really my intention to "compare" the deeds of Horiuchi and McVeigh. I was merely noting that the defense of Horiuchi by Herr Direktor Freeh could have been used nearly verbatim in McVeigh's behalf. As you've pointed out, though, there /is/ that crucial difference though, isn't there? One of them has a badge and gets paid by the taxpayers, which makes him a "policeman."
That's a big difference, of course.
Note also that terrorists and freedom fighters are *both* outside the law, and are quite different from police.
That's right Kent it puts him in the big league with the agents of the Gestapo, Russian Secret Police, and other jackbooted thugs throughout the world. When this murderious pig is executed for his crimes what I leave on his grave will not be mistaken for roses. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBNBt8yY9Co1n+aLhhAQHNIwP/Y5ElaDDhYtNZw9YQ45z4Gab7pBn2BT2+ KJf2+82ga2gmQi3+T13frdKO1eO44n8XhP+7MlGVQw8Z/NQtrZBoXAm539gKy8B1 YBsLNW5bCT0ropcyZHF8dmMJUs3A82D2BqvB4d1pOiAK9m34ZV8YmUT7YUCeAHBd 4TrmxYSptxY= =smqd -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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