On Thu, 21 Apr 1994, Phil G. Fraering wrote:

Funny how the old "classical" hackers/crackers/etc. don't seem to be as enthusiastic about technology for creating privacy as they were supposedly in the old days about technology for violating security.

I wonder if these guys are the Fed's great untapped resource for bugging the rest of us.

Well you have to understand that the people who usually hang out on #hackl, #warez etc.. are really just the lower end of the scale when it comes to ability and commitment. Sure a REAL hack/crack/phreaker comes on once in a great while, but most of them are just kids out trying to makea name for themsleves and ragging on each other etc... Most of the real hackers etc.. are all for crypto and such to ensure privacy. Some even write their own code for it and utilize it alot. It pays to know about it, and when it's a real hacker you bvet they know alot about it just out of standard hacker curiosity. Myself, I wish I knew that much, but im learning everyday. My newest project that me and someone else on the list are working on is a simple implementation of Unix's Talk. The y-talk that is encrypted has a hard time compiling on all the systems I have tried it so we are going to go for something simpler and more portable perhaps. When I try to compile the YTalk app on soda, i get barfs from SunOS, and Linux. So far we are going to use a "gollman cascade" (sp?) as a tream cypher. If anyone else out there has any good stream cyphers that are decent in security and speed please let me know. But so far the one we have now seems to be the easiest t implement within our limited coding skills. You're eqipped with a hundred billion nueron brain, that's wired and fired, and it's a reality generating device, but you've got too do it. Free youself ----Tim Leary----