Thanks to all who helped me get my hands on Cyphernomicon. I now can breeze through the html site at www.oberlin.edu. I guess at 2am it didn't work because either I or oberlin were too sleepy. I still cannot open an FTP port at netcom. I got a copy on my Mac by giving a lot of memory to Netscape and getting it from www.swiss.ai.mit.edu. I also got a copy from Jeff's zipped copy at ftp.goblin.punk.net, but my unzipping utility hacked out a few lines. Here is a summary of what I learned: Cyphernomicon File Size: 1,287,731 (single character newlines) FTP sites: ftp.netcom.com/pub/tc/tcmay/CP-FAQ The original. "crowded" (I couldn't open an FTP port.) ftp.goblin.punk.net/pub/docs/cypherpunk.faq.gz ftp.goblin.punk.net/pub/docs/cypherfq.zip 28.8 bps modem, newline=CR, but .zip will change to newline=CRLF About 432Kbytes. (On PPP@14.4 it took me 6+ minutes to get it.) "until someone posts it on a site with higher bandwidth" [the upcoming new/changed/mirrored Cypherpunk site] HTML site: http://www.oberlin.edu/~brchkind/cyphernomicon/ nice. Other http: sites: http://www.swiss.ai.mit.edu/6095/articles/cyphernomicon/CP-FAQ text. very responsive and fast (6 minutes for my 14.4 connection). http:/www.isse.gmu.edu/~pfarrell/crypto/CP-FAQ text http://www.msen.com/~lwp/Cyphernomicon.gz About 432Kbytes. Need g[un]zip utility. Clearly missing are credits and contact info. I probably won't get to the FAQ much this weekend (wife & kids expect me to do my share and bring home the bacon), but maybe in a week or two. Do I have to read the sci.crypt FAQ, too, to earn my FAQ badge? Dar (list newbie) =========================================================== Dar Scott Home phone: +1 505 299 9497 Dar Scott Consulting Voice: +1 505 299 5790 <--- 8637 Horacio Place NE Email: darscott@aol.com Albuquerque, NM 87111 dsc@swcp.com Fax: +1 505 898 6525 http://www.swcp.com/~correspo/DSC/DarScott.html My preference for attached files are in this order: AOL, Mime, Binhex4, PGP, UUencode ===========================================================