On 13 Sep 97 at 9:19, Tim May wrote:

(JF won't see this, unless Bob H. chooses to pass it on, Sandy-style. This on unedited, undelayed lists, not on digests and delayed condensations.)

AFAIK, e$pam is not edited and not a digest. But there might be parental control ... :-)

At 9:57 AM -0700 9/13/97, jf_avon@citenet.net wrote:

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Hi.

I've been lazily following the crypto-control issue through e$pam list.

Read the real list.

Tim, there are a lot of important issues in life, and crypto is only one of them. I value your opinion a lot and find most of your comments to be not only valid but even often wise. But of course, as a CP highness, you seems to sometimes forget :-) that: 1) CP is carrier to so much things that I don't find interesting 2) every second wasted never comes back 3) some of my other interests requires as much time as CP, mostly Canadian Firearms Digest where locally, we Canucks, are fighting a battle you are no stranger with, only we got it worse than you Yankees. 4) IMO, crypto has to be a useful tool to be interesting. I am more interested in improving life than in building aesthetic mathematical algorithms. And the most direct way to achieve this is anonymous e-$, not guns. 5) fighting for privacy rights will be irrelevant when govt will have been starved to extinction by e-$. 6) If I subtract from my awake time my working time, my eating time, my washing time, my ****ing time and my domestic chores time, it leaves me with time I can do whatever I want. This remaining time is always too short. 7) After several weeks of being on CP and e$pam and e$ simultaneously, I found that I can read most of you posts on CP via e$pam, great thanks to RAH. RAH seems to forward everything that is even remotely related to e-$. Unless RAH has a Machielavelous plan to induce everybody in error, for the time being, he does a great job. I subscribe from times to times to CP for random durations at random moments just to cross-check theses things. My last year long absence from CP was caused by entirely other things. I had no time for any net stuff at all.

As a comment, sometimes when I try to "reply to all" to these messages from folks reading digests, I get "you are not a member of this list" or "this is a private list" messages.

Why don't you try jf_avon@citenet.net? :-) Get a decent mailer and you'll find it's easy... :-)

Fine, but it's why I won't waste time on folks who may not even see what I write unless I address it to them personally.

So now, do you propose mandatory voluntary subscription to some mailing lists? :-) Never thought about telepathy? Or becoming a prominent TV figure so that *everybody* (well, almost...) would be force-fed to TM-Stuff (tm) ? :-) OK, OK, I push it a bit but why should I have to suffer the intelligent and down to the point discussions on CP if I consider that I have other better things to do? The issue comes down to the respect of the Individual. Could I, pe-lease, have my own interests? Pe-lease? As for your perception of "loosing time on folks [snip]", I opinate that it is an error from you. Although I am off from CP, I recently ordered Applied Crypto (at last, I found the money...), and I plan to give a small introduction talk to various persons and groups. I make *every* *damn* *efforts* to spread PGP with everybody I know, distributing software and keys. But you see, if you say to somebody : this will encrypt your communications" they don't give a shit. If you explain to them the digital telephony bill, the current tapping capability, the various moves that the govt is currently doing, *and* crypto through the e-$ applications *and* political consequences of e-$, *then* they *really* do get interested. In my own experience, introducing the topic by the e-$/govt-intrusion door is what gets them the motivation to learn text-based plain-vanilla PGP. And as I said in an earlier post, the more they get their money confiscated in the name of the Great Unwashed Happiness, the more they get interested. So, "that folk" is one it is unwise to neglect, he just gets overwhelmed by the sheer volume of stuff on CP. Most of the discouraged just unsubscribe and a few rare stick to it in diverse, indirect ways. The ones who stick to it might just be the most persistent of them all.

JF, get a decent mailer and get on the real list if you want to participate.

I use Pegasus Mail V2.53 with a kill file verging on the terabyte thank you. And I don't want to "participate", I want to exchange ideas. Peoples who want to do so with me will do so. If it is too much work to include me in your replies, just don't bother.

Oh, and "cypherpunks@toad.com"

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