In discussions regarding privacy of personal information, Tim Philp has advocated a "privacy law" similar to those in Europe. My response is - why do we always need a law to protect ourselves? Nowadays the first solution always appears to be run to mommy govt and ask for help. In this case there is clearly the potential for market based solutions. The problem now is that there is almost no market! If people were truly interested in privacy, there would be a "privacy credit card" and "privacy health care" that refused to give out information except upon the approval of the individual concerned. Once people become interested in their privacy, I think these sorts of things will appear. A place where laws are clearly applicable however is in limiting the amount and type of info the government can gather. my 2 cents, Clay --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Clay Olbon II | olbon@dynetics.com Systems Engineer | ph: (810) 589-9930 fax 9934 Dynetics, Inc., Ste 302 | http://www.msen.com/~olbon/olbon.html 550 Stephenson Hwy | PGP262 public key: finger olbon@mgr.dynetics.com Troy, MI 48083-1109 | pgp print: B97397AD50233C77523FD058BD1BB7C0 "To escape the evil curse, you must quote a bible verse; thou shalt not ... Doooh" - Homer (Simpson, not the other one) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------