Perhaps this is because they are both assuming (perhaps incorrectly) that you cannot base trust on machinery. Machinery might help propagate existing trust... but the trust must start with the people involved (and by that I mean the entities themselves, *not* the service maintainers.)
that's precisely correct. but we can build mechanisms that encourage human trust, rather than encourage a criminal `free for all'. I seek to find such mechanisms. Psychopunks seek to subvert, sabotage, and destroy them. For example, I proposed an arrangement on this list whereby subscribers promise not to pseudospoof. Obviously, no one here gives a damn. I proposed that key servers be implemented that signify the authors commitment to a code of honest cyberspatial interactions by their key submissions. Obviously, no one here gives a damn. I described a *real* and *active* conspiracy in RISKS. Obviously, only the conspiracists here give a damn. Hey, braindead cypherpunks -- do you want to know why there has always been so much NOISE in this list's SIGNAL? do you want to know why people are so GROUCHY and TYRANNICAL and incapable of any substantial AGREEMENT or PROGRESS? because it is a HOTBED OF PSEUDOSPOOFING and all this hideous cacophony is your KARMA FOR ENGAGING IN OR PASSIVELY SUBMITTING TO IT.
There was a long discussion on another mailing list (with only a slightly higher S/N than this one, but far more politics, as the vocal membership includes employees of NSF, CIA, ANS, IBM, STD and other TLA's :-) about someone who was posting from an address in their name representing a political project from an educational site. Someone else was curious about this, and contacted the postmaster. They contacted the account owner, and had some time of figuring out what was going on... turns out it was the *reverse* of PSEUDOSPOOFING, namely, there was one account with *several* true names behind it. (It was "exposed" because they didn't "keep their stories consistent" or something like that.)
You're talking about Extropians? what list? name it, weasel. I still consider this pseudospoofing -- twisting identity in maliciously deceptive ways. Using identity to betray people. If there is any general identity conspiracy, I'll give you 100-1 odds the psychopunk bastards are behind it. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a psychopunk bastard behind the Gibson forgery/impersonation on that other mailing list. You guys have WET DREAMS over ALL OF THIS. perverts.
Now, do you find this reverse-PSEUDOSPOOFING (I leave the upper case letters since I've never seen the world spelled without them) objectionable as well?
Just another repulsive variation on psychopunk depravity and perversions. Honest people would be repulsed by it.