-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Cypherpunks, I thought that the infamous L. Detweiler had stopped his posting, but it appears that he is back, and more neurotic than ever. I thought that it was the time for me to make another post relating to him, the list in general, and LD's obsession with pseudospoofing. OK, first, LD is pissing me off, as, I am sure, he is doing to many others out there in net.land. His raves are nothing if not persistant and ever increasingly long. I, being the founding member of the Colorado Cypherpunks, am not particularly prowd of him being affiliated with the group. I don't hate him, as some of teh others on this list apparently do, I just think he is a very persistant pest, a fly in the ointment. I think it is important to remember that in every movement there are fanatics, and in the best of intentions are those who would do harm while trying to crusade the good. I believe that Detweiler is one such person. He is experiencing some very serious problems with what he believes to be a concerted effort by some devilish cabal to warp and mung his brain through the rampant use of pseudospoofing. OK, fine if he believes that, I cannot keep him from thinking that some of us are emmisaries of Satan. I can, however, wish that he would leave me the hell alone and stop posting these long, drawn-out core dumps of his mangled psyche. I can ask him to stop his madness, though I know that it will only get me on his bad side, and possibly put me in physical danger (since I live in his vicinity, lucky me). I think that's enough on Detweiler himself, and I hope I don't have to talk about him anymore. On to pseudospoofing. I think that it exists, and that it's denial is just plain naive. The world is a non-friendly place, and there are dangers out there, and people who will exploit every aspect of the system to trick, decieve, and mangle others. This should not come as a shock to anyone on the list, since we are generally on (or close to) the cutting edge of new technologies and methods to use those technologies. I, myself have never participated in any kind of conspiracy with intent to confuse, nor have i ever posted under a name other than my own, and my anon.penet.fi identity. I have not posted as anyone that I am not, and have no intention to do so. I do not, however, object to the use of these technologies, or to the act of pseudospoofing. It cannot hope to be prevented, since there are always people out there who will figure out how to exploit the system to do their bidding. Yes, it's true, I am coming out in favor of pseudospoofing. I do not object to it's use, on the premise that it cannot be stopped, and it rarely does hard, aside from those (LD) whose minds are bent by the mere thought that it is happening. Enough of that. Now onto the list. I put some serious thought into dropping from the list for the past week or so, and I have decided _not_ to leave bacause sometime there are bits of information that I get from the list that are simply not available anywhere else. Some of the members of the list are, however, pissing me off. The list has degraded from a band of freedom fighters with things they cared about in jeopardy to a bunch of fucking children bickering over the most pathetic of things. I hope that the recent barrage of postings is not indicative of what is to come. If it is, then I may just reconsider and leave. I think that's all I have to say for now... I just wanted to let people know what I was thinking, and set the record straight if there are any members who think I am still on LD's side (which I was for quite some time). Thanks, - -nate +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Nate Sammons nate@VIS.ColoState.Edu (303) 491-1578 | | Colorado State University -- Computer Visualization Laboratory | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+