Boy, this has been one of the most contentious, arguing-in-circles thread I've seen in a long time. I was getting ready to delete all these posts by lawyers, semi-lawyers, wannabee-lawyers, and non-lawyers when I ran across this nice and concise post by Joe Thomas:
But to attempt to bring this back from misc.legal to cypherpunks territory... Have people here thought about what happens to the concept of intellectual property in an environment of strong cryptography and cheap anonymity? When there's no way for the government to enforce Berne on movies and electronic books, what hope is there for Usenet postings?
Joe
Exactly! The copyright laws, confusing as they may be, are basically unenforceable for _private_ and _mostly private_ behaviors. Xeroxing books, sheet music, and the like is done routinely--stand in a copy shop for a while and watch what happens. And these things are indisputably violations of copyright (there is a "grey zone" for short copying jobs, under the "fair use" interpretatins, but certainly not for copying entire chapters or books, or sheet music). Ditto for copying software, as we all know. Copying CDs onto tapes is a murkier issue, because of the recent revisions to the laws and the so-called "tape tax," which collects a royalty on blank tape while allowing essentially unlimited copying for _personal_ use (e.g., I can safely tape CDs onto DAT so long as I don't then _sell_ them). Where the rubber meets the road on all this stuff is when a visible, public situation occurs--the college instructor who makes Xerox copies of a textbook (not his own, but maybe even that is a violation) and distributes or sells them to a class, the musician in a public concert who is seen with piles of Xeroxed sheet music, the guy selling dubbed videos at a flea market, the corporation buying one copy of a program and then duplicating it for 30 employees, etc. In these cases, a whistleblower can call in the Music Police (don't know their real name), the Data Narcs (SPA), etc., and some action _may_ be taken. (Rarely, for many reasons.) The hair-splitting about whether making backup copies of Usenet constitutes any kind of violation is not all that useful. The issue is what happens when--as is inevitable--folks sell compilations of other people's postings. Indeed, there was a raging debate on this several years ago when Brad Templeton was planning to sell a book of the best jokes he's seen in rec.humor.funny. Maybe the book even came out....I never did hear the outcome. Anyone know? With strong crypto and anonymous systems, few actions will be publically visible enough to allow enforcement and sanctions. Copyrighted material may be sent through remailers to protect the source (recall the "Information Liberation Front"). Ditto for other kinds of "software." A brave new world. My fear is that the NII will be structured so as to limit crypto use with a public rationale of preventing these kinds of abuse (the private rationale being the NSA/FBI/national security state sorts of things). --Tim May, who's not a lawyer and doesn't want to become one (and who hates to see fine minds devoted to the credo "Cypherpunks study law") -- .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power:2**859433 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available.