In typical Cypherpunks fashion, we are beating this one to death! (How else can we keep our message traffic high enough to keep using the Cypherpunks list as a plaintext channel to carry messages stego'ed in the right-hand margins?) - some want the source code printed in OCRable form - some just want it typed in by volunteers and then distributed - and others are expecting the Karns case to get the export situation resolved soon enough anyway Need I point out that the source code already exists in machine-readable form on the $30 disketter Schneier is selling? All it takes is for someone to order it, then put the code on an ftp site. Outside the U.S. And there are of course _many_ ways to get such a diskette outside the U.S. "This post is for disussion purposes only and is not to be construed as an inducement to infringe the property rights of Schneier or his publisher or to violate the ITAR, COCOM, or Sales to Pinko Nations Laws." (had to put this in) Yes, this solution "violates" Schneier's "property rights," but so do the main alternatives above that folks are discussing. (And I'm not being sarcastic here in my quotes around "violates" and "property rights." There are complicated issues here. Bruce Schneier himself said he wanted to include the disk with every copy or at least have an ftp site, so I don't think money is the main issue. And he's presumably selling quite a few copies of the book, anyway.) Independent of the Schneier book, I do think there needs to be a code repository of useful code. Mark Riordan has some at his RIPEM site, there's the RSAREF code that RSADSI makes available, and several other code ftp sites I've seen (and which I've collected for the Cypherpunks FAQ I'm getting closer to releasing). --Tim May -- .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^859433 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."