[Tim's reply to Jim] Citizen-Unit Miller is to be commended for his recognition that the common good is served when the state fulfills its surveillance obligations. .... etc. [ uncontrollable giggle from irresponsible unit ] [Jim's reply] I do *not* think a surveillance state is a good thing. I deliberately constructed my post to get people's attention. I want people (other than just Cypherpunks) to think about life in a surveillance state. .............................................. Thinking about life in a surveillance state, I wonder what youall would do if it came to pass? I once asked a bunch of Objectivists what they would do if a certain individual was elected and the US was turned into a socialist/commie paradise. In three hours of discussion, they could not arrive at any viable ideas. Maybe, Jim, you could also compile some replies about how 'free radical units' would deal with the problem. It might sound a bit like a sci-fi story, all total. Blanc