[much bickering between Perry and Detweiler deleted] OK, why don't you guys bounce flaming email back and forth between yourselves after the first volley... So that everyone knows, Perry wants us to shut up and write code, and Detweiler wants us to get up and fight... Well, do both... Perry, you write some really awesome code, and Detweiler and some others will go off and investigate what they feel to be important... If Perry does not want to listent to Detweiler's calls to action, don't - just delete the message and move on. We need to recognize that some of us are prone to get agitated more easily than others are, but that's OK... we all want basically the same thing. What we want done will never get done if all of us write code, and it won't get done if we all rant and rave, either. Just don't fucking bicker about wether we should investigate things or write code. It's getting annoying! -nate -- +-------------------------------------------------------------------- | Nate Sammons email: nate@VIS.ColoState.Edu | Colorado State University Computer Visualization Laboratory | Finger nate@monet.VIS.ColoState.Edu for my PGP key | #include <std.disclaimer> | Always remember "Brazil" +----------------------+