-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- My understanding is that IVHS systems are voluntary. Here are some examples of systems that invade your privacy, and yet are considered acceptable: - phone bill an itemized list of every number you called. - credit card bill Where and how much you spent - school records - criminal record All this information is easily obtainable. Do you think that people will reject a system that saves them a significant portion of their trip to work each day so that there is no record of where they drove? Also, I believe most toll collection systems being built are on a pre-paid basis, and anonymity is retained unless there is a violation. In that case, a photograph is taken of the plate. In Europe, I believe that there are highways that you can speed on, and then receive a ticket in the mail when the camera photographs your plate. Okay, that's the devil's advocate point of view. The argument of the IVHS proponents. Personally, I believe that IVHS is receiving enough government funding that it will happen. Nothing is inevitable, but money talks. To combat the privacy-invading aspects of IVHS will take a substancial political battle. Isn't Clinton's proposed Health card a bigger threat than IVHS? I believe we should concentrate on privacy issues as they relate to computer systems and cryptography. We are cypherpunks, not just punks. Those issues are also important, but probably more related to alt.privacy or some such group. Wonderer -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.3 iQBVAgUBLNGBlR1kTJuroDD9AQEXwwIAlu3Nq9XAxN5z6GgSETxa1/yhL/UI0dIf CcLietZRDnknSz4m9j8WcgGqezmkzCoWUx4mSz634mdo7BNIJ+TC6Q== =ivnS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help@anon.penet.fi. Due to the double-blind, any mail replies to this message will be anonymized, and an anonymous id will be allocated automatically. You have been warned. Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin@anon.penet.fi.