Mike Duvos, speaking for cretins everywhere, writes:
Timothy C. May, speaking for parents everywhere, writes:
Please, Mike, let's not resort to winning arguments with comments such as yours above. I think I was reasonably polite in my response to you, even foregoing my intended spoof (along the lines of Christian Fundamentalists demanding the right to speak to the children of Heathens and Jews, a point consistent with your point that parents have no right to stop such sources of outside information).
might decide to "raise" you. Too bad when they decide that paying the nursing home to pamper ol' Grandpa Tim is dipping too deeply into the family vacation budget.
Most of us have a simple answer to this one: if "Grandpa Tim" is using "his" money, he can spend it as he wishes. If he's using his son's money, then his son can cut back on the "pampering." Simple, and common sensical. Not 'perfect," in that various unhappy situations may occur, but the best solution, for lots of reasons. I don't want outsiders interfering in such decisions.
Social Darwinism carried to its logical extreme is not a pretty sight, even for one fond of viewing the misfortune of others as "evolution in action."
Personal attacks are not welcome on this list, Mike. Not by me, at least. If you persist, your comments will get no further answer from me. (This may sound like Sternlight. Sternlight falters because he _claims_ to have kill-filed someone, then can't resist responding.)
Parents have control in the home. Children have access in lots of other places, like libraries, which have historically resisted any attempt to censor any but the most egregious reading material based solely on the age of their clients.
My children are not allowed to visit public libraries, as I dislike having them exposed to the collectivist ideas therein. When they have read all the books in our home, preferably twice, then perhaps I will allow them to visit a library. I also school them at home. Perfectly legal. I'm not sure what Mike proposes to do about this situation. I know that anybody insisting on access to my children to give them "alternative views" will not be met kindly.
Had it not been for the fact that having children covered with scars, welts, and bruises is not considered child abuse in the state of Texas, all the children would have been removed from the compound prior to the raid, and only the adults would have been toasted.
It's well-established that David Koresh could have been picked up easily on any of his trips into Waco or on any of his morning jogs around the Branch Davidians ranch. A former Sheriff who once served papers on Koresh has said the same thing: merely walking up and knocking on the door would almost certainly have worked. The Waco massacre has been debated many times in many groups, and I don't intend to get into it here. The connection with crypto exists, but is a bit of a reach. The connection of the recent comments by several folks who argue that Cyherpunks should support forcible reeducation of children, either pro-Christian or anti-Christian (the comments about "Funny Mentalists"), is stronger to the themes of this list. Anyone who supports censorship of one view or another, who supports forcible intervention in family and group culture, probably will not care for the inevitable implications of strong cryptography. --Tim May -- .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^859433 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."