Cypherpunks' Electronic Book (CEB) 6 the Unpleasantness.
Gary Jeffers apparently blames me for his dropping of the "Cypherpunks Electronic Book" project:
Cypherpunks' Electronic Book (CEB) part 5 - the hangover.
As badly as it was received, you should be proud to take the blame! But no, I don't blame you.
Tim May writes on & on & on about my failure to write the CEB. Hey, just where did I pick up GUILT? I had a really great idea for
I did not write "on and on" about this--go back and read what I wrote.
Cypherpunks that I also felt was a glaring omission of Cypherpunks'. I wrote up the idea as best as I could & tried to interest some com- petent C'punk to do it. I thought I did a really good job of writing up the idea. Unfortunately, I lack the skills to write the particular code to do the idea. Its sort of like bringing home a rabbit for suppr & everybody dumps on you cause it wasn't a moose. What kind of guilt o you dump on people who actually do bad things?
Flaky ranters like you and Hettinga are but the latest in a string of
"Flaky ranters like you"? Now, you have lost your pretense of criticism of an idea & have gotten to your real agenda - attack on my person - you sorry fuck. (my turn) :-)
ranters who wring their hands and cry "*Do* something@! I tried to be polite in my comments, even saying "So, if the CEB enthusiasts want to
& now after your heroic self control has been taxed to the max, You are 007 - Licensed to be nasty! a small max really, made for offense taking.
try this, I applaud them."
In most of these cases, including Detweiler's similar wailings that no one would create "alt.whistleblowers" for him, such politeness is apparently unappreciated. Ranting is ever so much more fun, I guess.
(Hettinga's rants about "Garth and Wayne," broken windows, fleas on his head, and "I'm not worthy" are just too strange for me to follow. I sense a proto-Detweiler is forming in the great void.)
I have not followed your dysfunctional relationships with your buddies Detweiler & Hettinga, but do feel free to keep them to your- self. Are you trying disingenuously to identify me with these people? They say that if you squint your eyes just right & long enough, dogs look look much like Adolph Hitler. So, Tim, why don't you go out & find one, squat, & squint till you notice the resemblance? :-) That's a joke Tim. But in a more serious vein Tim (preferable a major one), I thought your bad experience with the Extropians would have kept you from assaulting -ing people with claims of being elements in a class based on flimsy comparisons. You remember when your candy ass got chased off the Extropians' list with allegations of your being a fascist. But, of course, that would have scared anyone: a bunch of savage Extropians writing Fascist! Fascist! Fascist! :-)
Admittedly, implementing the idea is magnitudes more work that get ting the idea. However, it was a great idea & why should I suppress i because I personally couldn't implement it? No doubt, great ideas fal from Tim May like rain from the skies & he considers them cheap if no nuisances. However, in most of the world, they are in short supply & re considered valuable.
Nonsense. Like Detweiler's "electrocracy," this idea was just an old notion in new clothes. In this case, the "stone soup" FAQ idea all over again.
I said it before, so I'll be brief: worrying about the details of distribution instead of the writing is the big mistake. Distribution is relatively trivial, whether by ftp at the soda site, distribution by mail, whatever.
I have discovered that the idea of bunches of creative, skilled programmers with lots of time on their hands is a myth. I guess they all manage to figure out something worth while to write. Originally, had thought that there would be at least one of them around looking for something worthy to do.
Note: There is no covert meaning to the above paragraph. I really was naive in thinking that they might not have their time fully occupied with projects.
If _you_ think it is worth, and _others_ think it is worthy, then absolutely nothing is stopping you all from doing this project! Do you think the comments of _me_ are enough to stop you? Jeesh.
What you seem to have done is to see my comments about such "stone soup" let's-volunteer-the-others appraches and then just _given up_ in a huff. Methinks you just have no staying power and were hoping the Cyperpunks Masses would make your CEB project the centerpiece of their efforts with little further work on your part. It just doesn't happen that way.
I believe that I have described a very worthwhile project for anyoe who wants to do it. I have a lot of hope that someone will do it late. I don't think its going to be forgotten. I would like to thank the people who supported the idea. CEB doesn't look like it is going to happen soon but if Cypherpunks grows, I think it is inevitable that i will happen.
It won't happen because nobody out there is going to do it, not because your feelings got hurt.
Mocking other peoples' hurt feelings can get you into places where your own delicate feelings get hurt.
But, Tim, if you decide you want this done - do it yourself. You just have no idea how you get dumped on when you suggest others do it for you! :-)
More nonsense. Nonsense I am finished responding to.
Tim, for a guy who doesn't care about other peoples' hurt feelings, you have got real thin skin.
--Tim May
Its surprising to me that my CEB plan got such bad reviews. I got my idea flamed by a lot of C'punks but life is tough. You present an idea & its not necessarily going to get accepted. You take a chance. But that is fair. I carry no grudge against the other C'punks. Tim May, however, is different. He criticized ME! & he was so unpleasant! Now we find out how Tim likes the intentionally unpleasant. I don't know Tim May very well but I've noticed he gets into a lot of flame wars. Could this be his M O?: Get into an argument with a victim over a matter of fact, then slyly turn it into an attack on the person without losing the applause of the gallery? Also, I don't like his shrill strident manner. I don't like a bully. When I run into one, I like to make sure he takes a few lumps too! Yours Truly, Gary Jeffers PUSH EM BACK! PUSH EM BACK! WWWAAAYYY BBBAAACCCKK! BBBEEEAAATTTT STATE !