I'm working on implementing both of the above on Mac platforms, on an unofficial basis (I work for Apple.) The CELP decoder ran in realtime on a IIci (030) class Mac by recoding everything in integer instead of FP, but the encoder was too CPU intensive. Making the decoder even run was a big chore, involving a lot of rewrite and some assembly language in the worst parts. So I've set aside CELP for the time being, and will later see if it runs well on PowerPC. The LPC10 algorithm posted on super.org (along with CELP3.2a) is, like CELP, floating point intensive. I'm going to get both running on PowerPC native first, then recode LPC10 in integer and see if it will run in full-duplex on an '030 or '040 later. On a IIfx (fast '030), LPC10 requires about 7x realtime to process prerecorded sample speech. That's encouraging, because on CELP the changeover to integer sped up processing by about a factor of 7. The source code for LPC10 is clearly marked "NSA", which would make it especially ironic :) if someone happens to use my port in a secure voice application, subject to what Apple wants to do with my work. CELP at 4800 bits/second sounds very reasonable, and LPC10 at 2400 is quite passably intelligible although a bit robotic. I could improve LPC10's intelligibility with a little redesign but not without blowing off bitstream compatibility. If I built an improved speech coder (at 9600 or 14.4k bit/second) I'd have to find volunteers to port it to DOS & Windows boxes, or keep it proprietary to Apple. If anyone here is working on a secure voice application, may I suggest background file transfer capabilities. LPC10 leaves a lot of unused bandwidth on a 14.4k baud modem! Anyone interested in collaborating, or getting a current-status report at any time is welcome to write to me. I promise to keep it technical and avoid ranting & raving about Dorothy Denning :) Joe Campbell hasn't yet returned my recent message commenting on bugs and asking clarification on commercial use of the source. If Apple doesn't get clear rights to use it in system software I'll probably just post the improved versions to an ftp site somewhere and let it go at that. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED." - R. McElwaine