all this about newbies>> i for one am a newbie,, gee i hate that word,, at least to this list. though i have been in and around computers since 81. over 13 years now most of what i have been around is the bbs, and programing, and hardware of computers. also i am an information freak from early childhood. the major pitch of my crypto has been word based, not computer based but i understand the princibles behind it. though my main concern of late has been the up swing in government and criminal investigators involment in the computer field. most notablly with the clipper and other chips. i have always been a privacy advocate. having done things in early youth that in a world ruled by "big brother" i would surely be targeted for. i do not want the US of A or most of the free world to be ruled by "big brothers" that is why i read this list and others. yes in the past i have posted rants, and raves. but that is life. i talk the good ole heart and soul while others talk the techno ascept of the issues at hand. ' charles the monster maker