We (ExI) have offered the software now being used to operate the Extropians list to the operators of the cypherpunks list. Our software is not quite ready for prime-time, but it is a solid and interesting program. It allows for kill files by user, and subject (reg. exp.), and allows for retrival of messages by subject (reg. exp.) and full body text (agrep). It is very modular with one part of the program databasing all incoming messages and other modules actings as agents for various list members. Each agent can support one or more users (subscribers). In addition to kill files, all messages can be excluded and then specfic messages can be Included. I feel it or similar software will solve the programs that some members of this list are complaining about. (Mailing List vs. News Group). I strongly urge that a newsgroup NOT be formed. /hawk -- Harry S. Hawk ON Vacation