(Sorry to send a message this way, but you'll see why.) The Extropians list has been down for several days as a result of the security incident involving Panix, the systems off of which the Extropians list is run. (The security incident is being discussed in several of the *.security groups.) Perry Metzger mentioned this a few days ago here, but I am still getting several messages a day asking what happened to the List, hence this message to you all. By the way, a conclusion I draw from this is that an alternative way to signal list members should exist, even if it's just a very long list to send mail to from an unaffected system. Sort of an "Emergency Broadcast System." Harry Shapiro says Panix is back up and the Extropians list should be restored sometime today, probably. --Tim May -- .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. Note: I put time and money into writing this posting. I hope you enjoy it.