I move we file a CJR on some suitable software with crypto hooks. Off the top of my head, the most plausible candidate is NCSA httpd v1.3. It's certainly software with function other than crypto. It's also the case that the crypto hooks are nearly unusable. I should know - I got quoted in USA Today for buying three CDs using these hooks ;-). Another possibility that comes to mind is Eudora. A judgement that Eudora is non-exportable is certain to piss a lot of people off. I'm not sure whether that's a good thing or a bad thing. I promise not to file a CJR without the express permission of the owners of the software. Such a CJR would certainly not be frivolous. It is certainly the case that the law is not clear enough for software producers to move with confidence. Further, applications with crypto hooks are much more important to the cpunk cause than are the crypto applications themselves. Face it: PGP is available to all, but very few people actively use it. Its serious usability problems are only a small part of the reason. The real reason is that people are unwilling to integrate with it because they're afraid of the export controls. By the way, I have not heard back regarding my t-shirt CJR. If I have time, I'll call them tomorrow and ask what's up. Raph