John Gilmore wanted me to let the list know that there will be a hearing this Friday, Oct. 29, at the Federal Courthouse at 450 Golden Gate in SF, around 9:30 am (time is always unclear), in his FOIA suit against the FBI/DOJ re release of documents in the Clipper Chip matter. Very briefly, we have received some mostly uninteresting documents regarding Clipper so far. We moved for an index of the withheld documents and for expedited processing. The gov't response was to move for a stay of proceedings until early 1997. That's not a typo-- almost 4 years! We sent them some discovery as to their FOIA processing, and they then moved for a protective order barring discovery. So basically, what we're going to be arguing about on Friday is whether the case moves forward, or gets put on hold until the FBI gets around to processing John's request. John encourages interested cypherpunks to attend. He will not be there himself. Feel free to e-mail me, Lee Tien, for details. I prefer to be reached at tien@well.sf.ca.us. Lee Tien