Three messages from Tim May concatenated:
Many of Duncan's refutations boil down to "What about tourists?" The answer for the Feds is simple: temporary ID cards for tourists.
3. The card acts essentially like the one citizen-units would receive, perhaps not fully authorizing certain things.
4. Employers, even for casual work, would be required to check these cards,
Electronic "point of sale" terminals, similar to cash machines, could make this "painless." Even if cash is not outlawed--a different, and even more controversial topic--such "work permits" could be enforced in various way.
I basically agree with Duncan's noble sentiments. I just don't think it likely that the "What about the tourists?" argument will stop the national ID juggernaut once it begins to move.
Perry makes my point well. That some people will be able to skirt the system, or that the system will ultimately be unenforceable, does not lessen my concerns.
Anyway, I see the imposition of internal passports--with a name chosen for easiest acceptance, probably something like "Social Benefits Card"--as very likely and not easily avoided. Just the tying of such cards to driving would be devastatingly effective.
As a reader of utopian & dystopian literature since the 1950's (remember, the Land of Oz was a utopian Socialist State), I was always hung up on control technology and the possibilities of the State getting carried away. Since I have been involved with computers and Cypherpunks my outlook has reversed. Let's assume for purposes of argument that the Feds have both the will and the money to impose tight financial and regulatory controls on American society. I will even assume that *we* don't exist and there is no high-tech opposition. Let's further assume that they rope in their NAFTA and G-7 (Gang of 7 Major Industrialized Countries - US, Canada, Japan, England, France, Germany, and Italy) partners in some sort of control regime to accomplish God knows what. I guess their psychology is something along the lines of Houseman: But no they will not, They must still Bend their neighbor to their Will And make me dance as *they* desire With jail and gallows and Hellfire. The "Coercive Metaphor" as I like to call it fits in well with Klinton's Bismarckian orientation. Note his lovefest with Helmut a few days ago. He likes the German model of labor markets (where *all* jobs require a certificate, where working during your holiday is a federal crime) and medical care. Where everything is either mandatory or prohibited. Opposed to this model is the Anglo Saxon model of individual rights. (X.25 vs TCP/IP to you networking types.) Here's the problem for Control Freaks: even if they get everything they want it does them no good. So they get their systems in place and they start spitting out data. What do they do with the data? You run checks on something the size of the G-7 economy, and you get tons of hits showing anomalies. You can't deal with all of them so you tighten your parameters until you cover the (small) part of the deviate population that you have the resources to do anything about. Oh, you can employ all sorts of AI programs to "catch" deviates and you can automate the punishment systems to deprive the deviants of "benefits" and permissions. We see this today with the automatic driver's license suspensions for a host of offenses." But cutting people off from "benefits" just gives them the incentive to *work* for a living and they come out of it stronger than ever with no ties to the government. Until you deploy killer robots to snuff deviates you can't make inroads into deviance purely by the application of force. The Commies tried. Slick Willie only has the balls to snuff a few Branch Davidians and Retail Pharmaceutical Salesmen. "Wet Work" is expensive. Our prisons are likewise. In New York City these days the big crusade is against unlicensed drivers running over kids. (Apparently, New Yorkers prefer their families to be decimated by *licensed* drivers.) The State automatically issues suspensions and people keep driving. The record is several hundred suspensions. Note if you look around that even though there are more control attempts by the State, things are less and less under control. Compliance is *not* increasing. Because direct application of force is difficult and expensive, it is rare. What Control Freaks need is *voluntary* obedience. But that is based on respect for powerful institutions (which is falling). We are primates and try to get along with our "tribe." In the past our "tribe" was village, then local area, then nation state. Today, technology has broken things up so that we can form many different sorts of "tribes." If we obey the mores of our "tribe" it is increasingly unlikely that that "tribe will correspond to the geographical nation state. I obey the mores of my *tribe* -- libertarian net dwellers. Others are members of other "tribes." We will collectively tend not to obey our nation states and their power will therefore decline. It is perfectly possible to have a rich full life even though you disobey your nation state. You need not even be an outcast any longer. There are *other* communities in which you can find full acceptance and support *without* having to move. I'm sure there will be much more to say later but I've run down...
And everyone go out and read or reread Brunner's "The Shockwave Rider."
Also Harry Harrison's "Stainless Steel Rat" series. Not for the technology but for the philosophy. DCF "Nineteen Eighty-Four Knocking at your door Will you let it come Will you let it run Your life." --- Awaiting proper definition of Mime sound file standards.