Newsgroups: talk.politics.crypto,alt.privacy,alt.privacy.anon-server,news.admin.policy,comp.org.eff.talk,comp.admin.policy,alt.conspiracy From: ld231782@casco.lance.colostate.edu (L. Detweiler) Subject: Re: CRYPTOANARCHIST INFILTRATION ALERT Sender: news@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (News Account) Message-ID: <Dec04.105319.36526@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1993 10:53:19 GMT References: <dasherCHH3Ey.J1F@netcom.com> <tcmayCHH6MA.Mzw@netcom.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: casco.lance.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 021193BETA PL3] Timothy C. May (tcmay@netcom.com) wrote: : "Medusa" (me, others). I gave up long ago trying to convice Larry : Detweiler (alias an12070, The Executioner, S. Boxx, The Pervert, The : Psychopunk, and apparently such pseudonyms) that I am a real person, : that Nick Szabo is a real person not the same as me, and that several : other "Tentacles" and "Snakes" are easily verified to be real people : with real lives. That's interesting. Perhaps you would like to enumerate these attempts. Here are a few I can think of off the top of my head. I asked J.Gilmore to send me his phone number to ask him about pseudospoofing by Cypherpunk leaders and he told me that he only gave out his phone number to his friends. I ask other cypherpunks for phone numbers and they call it an `invasion of their privacy'. I asked Szabo about his claims in RISKS and he exploded that I was `digitally stalking him.' I got a message from a Geof Dale (roommate of a college friend) who said generally he could assert that every cypherpunk I had ever wondered about being a pseudonym was a `true name' but refuses to give me his phone number to so I can ask specific questions. Nick Szabo has also resisted simple requests of mine to verify that `Nick Szabo' is not a pseudonym. I also asked you, a long time ago Mr. May, to state a simple sentence to me in the form `I have never posted under the name J.Dinkelacker'. You refused to do so. You did say `The assertion that I am J. Dinkelacker is too bizarre to believe.' Ha, ha, and that time I asked you what sites you have ever posted from, and your personal knowledge of multiple sites, you emailed my postmaster and said that I was `harassing' you. Oh, and that contained another reference to my `violent threats'. You seem to be quite sensitive to quotations like `death is the ultimate form of censorship.' Hee, hee. The truth is that every attempt I have made to verify certain identities has failed and led only to more grisly conclusions, such that Cypherpunks have gone to the length of registering NIC domains and buying out-of-state phone numbers. Do not tell me this is impossible! A businessman friend of mine has a local phone number in NY that forwards to Denver! It seems to me cypherpunks could use this very readily! (My kingdom goes to anyone who can provide me with the ability to trace the ultimate destination of phone calls in this way, and help uncover the amazing extent of the Cryptoanarchist conspiracy! volunteers desperately needed!) As for what the paranoid ranter and conspiracy theorist an12070 thinks, who gives a damn? I'm always amazed at top cypherpunks, supposedly interested in anonymity, attempting to equate me with this email address. The cypherpunks have made an art, science, and religion of deceiving others on the Internet and in the media. I do not consider the leaders respectable. If they were, they would have long ago answered my honest questions in a straightforward manner. And T.C.May is definitely the classic cryptoanarchist! Nice of you to keep holding onto your infamous signature (now widely discredited) promoting tax evasion, black marketeering, and the overthrow of governments. : Poor deluded Larry takes any such efforts to resolve his delusion as : _further proof_ of the Grand Conspiracy to drive him crazier than he : already is. Yes, I am quite insane. : What a strange world the Net is becoming. No thanks to you. : --Tim May, a Real Person Owner of many tentacles. Please list all the sites you have ever posted from, Mr. May. Ooops, that would be an Orwellian Invasion of your privacy. A McCarthyist Inquisition. Hee, hee. You cryptoanarchists are so silly. I am having great fun using your techniques of cyberspatial warfare and against yourselves. I will not relent until top leadership issues unequivocal statements on your involvement and knowledge of pseudospoofing. Lies like that by E.Hughes in RISKS, `I have never posted under any other name than E.Hughes' obviously do not count, although they may fool some people. I do thank you, Mr. May, for your posting directly on this topic after my attempts to date have failed. Perhaps you would like to invite your cohorts on the cypherpunks list including E.Hughes and J.Gilmore to start a cyberspatial attack campaign on this thread the way you infiltrated RISKS 15.27 and 15.28x! I await the fireworks! The most serious problems with the Cypherpunks may involve deception of the media. I'm trying to figure this out as we speak. These lies are very difficult to untangle! volunteers welcome! oh, BTW Mr. May, when did you decide my first name was Larry and not Lance? You called me Lance for 10 months or so on the cypherpunks list. hee, hee. I would give so much to be at the next CA Clique Conspiracy meeting in a week or two, to see how the leaders masterfully evade all charges of misbehavior. -- ld231782@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU Newsgroups: talk.politics.crypto,alt.privacy,alt.privacy.anon-server,news.admin.policy,comp.org.eff.talk,comp.admin.policy,alt.conspiracy From: ld231782@casco.lance.colostate.edu (L. Detweiler) Subject: Re: CRYPTOANARCHIST INFILTRATION ALERT Sender: news@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (News Account) Message-ID: <Dec04.110527.69270@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1993 11:05:27 GMT References: <dasherCHH3Ey.J1F@netcom.com> <tcmayCHH6MA.Mzw@netcom.com> <dasherCHH7s6.4rF@netcom.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: casco.lance.colostate.edu Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 021193BETA PL3] Followup-To: talk.politics.crypto,alt.privacy,alt.privacy.anon-server,news.admin.policy,comp.org.eff.talk,comp.admin.policy,alt.conspiracy : Ah. I could say that I've seen Nick and Tim in the same room, but : that would prove I'm just another pseudonym. (We're all at Netcom, : after all.) So why did I ask the question above? That just shows : how subtle Tim is. (I wish I were that subtle.) Y'know, after all this hullaballo I still have no idea what Szabo does for a living. Maybe he would like to post information about where he works. Just general information that can be verified, nothing that would invade his privacy. Ooops, I guess all cryptoanarchists believe that any inquiry into identity (even those who claim to have one) is an `invasion of their privacy'. Well, we can't get very far in that case. I will just have to stick `szabo@netcom.com' into my `untrusted pseudonym' file. hee, hee. Sort of a like a McCarthyist Witchhunt Inquisition list. Those darn Cryptoanarchists. My experience with Szabo started only after I read neat mail by Szabo stating how he had mastered the art of surreptitious posting from multiple sites. Mr. Szabo, could you please elaborate on your techniques? I had to guess at what you were accomplishing in RISKS 15.28x (or 15.27, hard to remember) because you are certainly not voluntarily going to reveal this information, eh? that's the name of the game with pseudospoofing. Also, you blew up when I followed up on your claim in 15.27 that many cypherpunks had attempted to help me verify their identities. `Which ones?' I asked. `What have they done for me?' You got really upset, remember, and threatened to stop posting from the name szabo@netcom.com entirely! I thought this highly suspicious, but perhaps you can explain it all. Some of Mr.Szabo's comments and those by another tentacle I have discovered suggest they are actually running sophisticate software to maintain their arsenals of tentacles. This is my Holy Grail, to get information on that! I suspect it was written by E.Hughes. He hasn't said a word on it. Oh, many, many things for me to wonder about. Please enlighten me. I am just another scientist in search of the truth, by iteratively refining his sense of what is not. Sooner or later I will have to post an analysis of cryptoanarchist disinformation as posted by either Szabo or May (some of the very best purveyors, IMHO). -- ld231782@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU