But the vast majority of the 500+ folks on this List are either not writing crypto code, or are keeping silent about it. There are undoubtedly a fair number of the latter; probably better than 50% of the cypherpunks subscribers I know around here (including myself) get paid to (among other things) work on software related to network security through cryptography. Random Rant (preaching to the choir, but..): The same day that I spent far too many hours attempting to get our DES-using products in synch with what we believe is a correct interpretation of the export regulations, I saw a post in sci.crypt from someone in Italy announcing that he had a copy of my HP48SX DES implementation (which is available for anonymous FTP from soda.berkeley.edu; disclaimer: it does ECB encrypt mode only, that's all I needed). - Bill