It's really great that there are all these voice transmission/encryption programs out there, the problem is, none of them will talk to each other. If I have a unix box, I have to use product X, if I have a PC, product Y, and a Mac, product Z, and X,Y, and Z all speak different protocols. The issue is more frustrating with web clients. I like to use Netscape, but if I want to view RealAudio, I have to switch to Windows, etc. Rather than have one "successful" product set a defacto standard and lock the rest of the market into one algorithm, cypherpunks who are working on voice products should collaborate to product an open standard, which specifies base level functionality, and drop in algorithm improvements. Perhaps even video should be considered as that too will eventually be a reality. Sooner or later, there must be a shakeout and a "standard" (defacto) will emerge. The question is, do you want this to be an extensible open standard that can cope with changing hardware and network capability, or do you want, say, InternetPhone, to win and set the standard by shear market share like Netscape is doing now and like Microsoft has been doing? Just something to consider. -Ray