Subject: Unfairly banned from #anime! From: Casca, bertishg@db.erau.edu Date: 26 Dec 1993 12:21:35 -0500 In article <2fkh6v$2f4@scorpius.db.erau.edu> Casca, bertishg@db.erau.edu writes:
On Friday, the 24th of December, I logged on to IRC. I joined #anime! to find that there were only two other people on, [Starman] and Ichijyo. I did not find this unusual because it was around 12:00 pm Eastern Time.
I attampted to engage in communication with [Starman] and Ichijyo, but they were asleep on channel, meaning that they were logged in, but not doing anything, and were not marked as being away. I left to find better company.
During the course of the day I joined and left #anime! several times, both as Casca and in another persona I have for another channel, #vampires, as Brujah.
During one of the times I joined as Brujah, I attempted to stimulate conversation, the lifeblood of IRC. This is what I did:
*** Brujah (bertishg@db.erau.edu) has joined channel #anime!
<Brujah> hey all
** no response **
* Brujah slaps [Starman] around for a bit
<Brujah> Dammit, if you're going to log on channel, either do something or + don't bother joining at all!
<Brujah> shit....
*** Brujah has left channel #anime!
This is, to the best of my recollection, what occured. I did not have a log file running, but with the exception of some of the words not being verbatim, this is a correct account of what happened.
I admit that my language was a bit salty. This is due to the fact my Brujah persona talks like this frequently, and also because I was irritated that these people were sleeping on channel.
I then left for greener pastures for a few hours.
I returned when I noticed that #anime! was beginning to fill with other people. I logged in, with my nick still Brujah, having forgotten to change it.
Immediately after logging, on [Starman] confronted my thusly:
<[Starman]> Hey Brujah, remember this shit?
and he played the segment of his log where I slapped him around, then made my statement.
I was then promptly kicked and banned, without even being given the opportunity to present my case. I was then messaged by [Starman] as such:
*[Starman]* I don't know who you are, but you aren't welcome here.
*[Starman]* BTW, all your msg's are being ignored.
Again, this is as close as I can remember it.
I then attempted to communicate with other members of the channel, and finally my friend Prisoner was able to gain ops and unban me. [Starman] had left by this time.
Thinking this incident was over, I again attempted to join #anime! on 25 Dec, at app. 1:30 pm EST, as Casca.
I was kicked as soon as I joined. I rejoined, only to be kicked again. Then I was banned.
I then formed the alternate channel #anime in an attempt to begin communication with [Starman]. I invited my friend Sonida to my channel and explained my case. He agreed with me. I then invited [Starman] to join in an effort to solve this dispute in a civilized manner. I was ignored.
Sonida also tried, and was also ignored.
Therefore, all attempts at private resolution of this matter have failed. I have therefore decided to let popular opinion judge this matter.
I have mailed copies of this letter to everyone I know, and also posted a copy to USENET rec.arts.anime in an effort to reach those whom I do not know.
My logic is this:
IT WAS JUST A JOKE, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!
Anybody who has seen me spar with Asrial on channel knows I do these actions only in jest, and I have done far worse to her (I've dropped meteors on her, thrown her into acid, etc.). But we still remain friends. In fact, I only do these to those people I feel I have known long enough to be able to goof around with.
I could understand this if I had insulted [Starman] or his mother, but for virtual actions which harm no-one? For attempting to start a conversation on a chat channel?
Doesn't this seem like over-reacting to you???
Therefore, I bring this before a forum of all those who attend #anime! regularly, semi-regularly, or those who have only joined once.
I believe that [Starman] has over-reacted and is acting immaturely by kicking and banning me without even attempting to work this out.
I wish to have the ban dropped and be re-admitted to #anime!, for I feel I have commited no crime.
My e-mail address is bertishg@db.erau.edu
[Starman]'s e-mail address is ~render1@teak.njit.edu
Please do not hesitate to email me or post your feelings on the matter.
I wish this problem resolved in a civilized, mature manner.
Thank you for your time.
Sincerely,
-- Casca (bertishg@db.erau.edu)
******************************************************************************* * "No one holds command over me. No man. No god. No Prince. What is a claim of age for ones who are immortal? What is a claim of power for ones who defy death? Call your damnable hunt. We shall see who I drag screaming to hell with me." -- Gunter Dorn, DAS UNGEHEUER DARIN ******************************************************************************* *
Subject: Re: Unfairly banned from #anime! From: Lisa Richardson, priss@tcp.com Date: 27 Dec 93 00:05:40 GMT In article <priss.756950740@tcp.com> Lisa Richardson, priss@tcp.com writes:
Actually, net-ettique should be observed. Regardless of your persona, you have no right to insult a person or make a joke of a person who happens to be idling on an IRC channel. I may not know a lot about IRC stuff, but as a MUCK Wizard, I don't go around insulting people who are sleeping on their character. Even if you want to liven things up, you could leave a question and get a response later. What you do, gave Starman a justifiable reason to ignore you, because you 'attacked' him without provocation and without justifyable means other than him idling on a channel. There is no law against him doing that, but there is some common decency about being rude to a person who is not on-line.
-- Lisa Richardson (aka Priss on about a half dozen MUCKs) priss@glia.biostr.washington.edu and/or priss@anime.tcp.com "Live fast, Die young, and make hearts melt as you go away" - Lisa Richardson Priss the MUF Wizard of _AnimeMUCK_ at anime.tcp.com (128.95.10.106) 2035