-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 12:21:04 -0700 From: "syrinx@c2.org (Syrinx Anonymous Remailer)" <syrinx@c2.org> The concern is not "commercialization", per se, but rather the use of "commercialization" as an excuse to build in "proprietary" features (Back doors?) for which no corresponding source code is involved. And the chief concern with the Clipper chip? That it was secret. In the crypto world, secret == untrustable. Who would use a remailing network that was not trustable? Who would use it when every cypherpunk says not to? Since no one has made a good case for there even being a COMMERCIAL market for Mixmaster, could there be other motives? Value is created by seeing a market that no one else sees. Obvious markets have low margins, and they're getting lower and lower as computers help implement the obvious. Without building an anonymous e-$ infrastructure first, there's no way to even charge for the use of a remailing service without sacrificing anonymity, even if people were willing to pay to have messages anonymously remailed. Maybe someone *does* see a way to create system? If *you* knew, would you tell everyone about it? Or would you implement it, and rake in the bucks? No, I'm not accusing Lance. But if he no longer has the time to support Mixmaster, then perhaps some other crypto-friendly group should take over the task and keep it an OPEN system, with source code available. In fact, even freezing Mixmaster as is would be preferable to "improvements" that people don't/can't trust. Since you have no reputation to impugn, I feel free to be rude: "Put up or shut up." If you have the resources to improve Mixmaster so that it's easy to use, do it. If not, please don't stand in the way of people who *do* have the resources. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.7 Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.2, an Emacs/PGP interface iQCVAwUBMFt8wKbBSWSDlCdBAQEXGgQAo7Sl+CctvGWSGsQpeYYzMit+9eBN2iP/ Sq5k3FvHATDEJaPMTEq7PQRlQrrOkKF7jg2d0wnxJ9tFG+5ymV6SeLiJE/KXuOSI dD5oR6TOVf50ppLIjyQZhhOymon3RuJqHqQVyX7qD2ph792SACuAFvrFTlZoRkgB 8jPr7TLkIyA= =NygP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- -russ <nelson@crynwr.com> http://www.crynwr.com/~nelson Crynwr Software | Crynwr Software sells packet driver support | PGP ok 11 Grant St. | +1 315 268 1925 (9201 FAX) | America neither a Christian, Potsdam, NY 13676 | Jewish, Islamic, nor atheist (etc&) nation. This is good.