Here's some topics that I've been wanting to bring up with the CypherPunks. I figured it'd be best to just drop one email/post rather than 4. 1. HARDWARE: What about building our own machines? This is the Vinge-ian crypto-anarchy theme ultimately. We should be able to produce our own technology, and not depend on the merchantile/government-mandated economic system/monopolies. I see this as being very important to the oceania/autopia/technomad ideas and projects of creating ocean-going free societies. Or is anyone interested in starting a parallel list of sorts for the hardware-punks? 'ware-punks? :-) or perhaps an even better name would be The Homebrew Computer Club^2. 2. STEGENOGRAPHY: Using the genome project data listings (bionet.molbio.genbank.updates) as a stegenographic source to hide encrypted info in. Similar to the alt.w.a.s.t.e NG, but more public. Of course, it'd be bad if your ecrypted data got credited with curing/causing a genetic disease.... => 3. PUNK-NET: (see HARDWARE above) 4. POLITICS/ANONYMITY: I may have missed this, but has anyone discussed Gibson's "The Republic of Desire" idea of having a network based guerilla organization? Not that we need to be guerilla's yet, but... I think the guerilla cell organization would probably lend itself to using the DC-net protocols, and developing webs-of-trust organizations. Thoughts, comments, etc? sweetly, Ducoyuh Gemugez Tokuzuham Neshotsu