You're disagreeing that I invented safe-tcl? You disagree that I sent you and Ousterhout the very first message that said I want to strip out the dangerous commands? That I created the mailing list and then gave it up becuase you and Rose "took over" the concept while only releasing a safe-Tk, leaving off the embeddeable server part? Must we go to the archives? You're disagreeing that without enabled mail FV would probably not have happened? IF so, then one of us is delusional and it's not me, kiddo. Replies to this message will be ignored. /r$ PS: Sorry C-P folks. In penance for this off-topic probably-uneeded defense against Nathaniel's attack, I will compare the Usenet RC2 against the licensed code and tell you what I find. -r$