I'm surprised no one has yet mentioned the *large* 2-part story that appeared starting yesterday (Sunday October 3) in the LA Times. It appeared in the top of column 1 on page 1 with the title "Demanding the Ability to Snoop". It deals primarily with Clipper, with sidebars on the FBI Digital Telephony stuff. Monday's article also appears in column 1 of page 1, but at the bottom. It is titled "Computer Code's Security Worries Privacy Watchdogs" and it begins with a quote from Mykotronix's president commenting on how he felt about the Internet message carrying stuff found in his garbage. The article is primarily about Mykotronix's involvement with Clipper. Inside is a sidebar on Dorothy Denning, complete with photograph suitable for a dartboard. It is *really* becoming a challenge to keep up with all the media coverage lately! Phil