I actuallly sympathize with Tim's position and Eric's earlier comments about adopting tools as as function of ROI. I often experience somethign similar wiht "potentially faster but non-deterministic time solutions," vs. "probably slower but deterministic time solutions." That said, I think that MIME, for all its implementation difficulties, is going to be an attractor, if for no other reason that the fact that there is an increasing demand for _something_ to encapsulate all the divergent stuff that people want to push and pull across the net, and MIME is the standard for doing this. For instance, it is used to encasulate html, and some advocate an expansion of its use in conjunction with the web. [Note that this does not make the various cock-ups that can occur in conjuction with its expanding use in e-mail any less annoying.] I'm also curious what James is using on his Sun, as Sun's mailtool (at least the version I have) is pre-MIME, but MIME-ish, and can choke in amusing ways on MIME messages. Doug