[userserv-wg] Re: [pgm-rg] Call for Discussion: Merging GUS-RG and PGM-RG

[Laura McGinnis]

At 02:42 PM 12/13/2004 +0100, Dietmar Erwin wrote:
>Dear all,
>I support this idea. It makes vey much sense to combine the user 
>requirements and the provider aspects.
>
>Two suggestions to the charter:
>
>G-4 add : (e.g. recommendations or standards drafts)
>I know that the two terms are sometimes used as synonyms. However, the 
>second formulation should emphasize one of the roles of GGF.

Good point. I'll make the update.

>Milestones: Target dates (e.g. GGF xx) should be given for the milestones 
>whereever possible.

Agreed. But we need input from authors/editors on what would be reasonable 
deadlines. If the groups agree to merge, I would expect target dates to be 
one of the frist orders of business.

thx
LM

>Mit freundlichen Gruessen
>With best regards
>
>Dietmar Erwin
>
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>
>Laura McGinnis schrieb:
>
>>At GGF12 in Brussels, the possibility of merging the Grid User Services 
>>and Production Grid Management research groups was
>>raised. Since September, the chairs of the research groups and the area 
>>directors have been discussing issues involved in merging. We would like 
>>input from both research groups on the revised charter, posted below, and 
>>on any items you think we may have overlooked.
>>There are some good reasons why merging these groups might be a good idea:
>>1) There is a lot of overlap in topics being addressed by both RGs.
>>2) Both groups would benefit from the influx of new perspectives and 
>>members that the merger would bring.
>>3) PGM has a strong history of providing workshops for GGF; GUS has 
>>material that would add value when shared in a workshop setting (i.e. 
>>strength in symbiosis).
>>4) GUS has two documents that are near completing. PGM input would add 
>>value to these documents as they are finalized and submitted to the 
>>document process.
>>Please post comments, etc, to both mailing lists, so that both groups can 
>>participate in the discussion.
>>thx
>>LM
>>
>>
>>PGM/GUS Merged Charter:
>>Purpose:
>>The purpose of this group is to bring together grid practitioners to 
>>document experiences, identify best practice and develop informational 
>>documents. These documents are offered as suggested guides to 
>>organizations moving a grid to the persistent level. This group also 
>>explores new paradigms in supporting grids that aspire to become large 
>>scale grids with a large user/application base, while not excluding the 
>>small grid efforts. In addition, this forum can be used to discuss 
>>problems and concerns that are likely to be encountered, technical as 
>>well as non-technical, when moving grid testbeds to production 
>>environments. This group should have an ongoing presence in GGF, serving 
>>a SIG/UG purpose in the grid community.
>>Goals:
>>G-1) Identify technical and non-technical issues that need to be 
>>addressed for a production grid installation to be successful.
>>G-2) Develop "common practices" documents for critical issues as they are 
>>identified.
>>G-3) Facilitate opportunities for grid users and practitioners to share 
>>experiences in bringing grids to production.
>>G-4) Spin off Working Groups when the need for detailed GGF documents 
>>(e.g. recommendations) is identified.
>>Milestones:
>>M-1) Grid Constitution Document - spin off WG to complete
>>M-2) PGM Survey
>>M-3) Tools Document - to be completed bu current team (had been submitted 
>>to GGF Editor)
>>M-4) Trouble Ticket Document - revaluate interest, identify authors for 
>>this document; spin off WG if warranted
>>M-5) Workshops
>>Chairs: David Wallom, University of Bristol, UK
>>         Judith Utley, USA
>>         Laura McGinnis, Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center, USA
>>
>>
>>
>>Laura F. McGinnis
>>Project Coordinator: Data & Information Resource Services
>>Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center        4400 Fifth Avenue, # 409D
>>Pittsburgh, PA 15213
>>email: lfm at psc.edu                      voice: 412-268-5642
>>fax: 412-268-5832
>
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>

Laura F. McGinnis
Project Coordinator: Data & Information Resource Services
Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center        4400 Fifth Avenue, # 
409D       Pittsburgh, PA 15213
email: lfm at psc.edu                      voice: 
412-268-5642             fax: 412-268-5832