[UR-WG] Actions for next phone meeting on 21.02.2012, 15:00 CET

john.gordon at stfc.ac.uk john.gordon at stfc.ac.uk
Tue Feb 21 11:29:27 EST 2012


The risk implied by your 'careful' is why I prefer both quantities to be in the same UR. Then each observation is unique and one needn't mess around trying to reconcile time differences and their implications. 

John

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ur-wg-bounces at ogf.org [mailto:ur-wg-bounces at ogf.org] On Behalf Of
> Ralph Mueller-Pfefferkorn
> Sent: 21 February 2012 13:16
> Cc: ur-wg at ogf.org
> Subject: Re: [UR-WG] Actions for next phone meeting on 21.02.2012,
> 15:00 CET
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Mike Jones via mobile wrote on 21.02.2012 11:55:
> > To follow up on John's WLCG usecase: I agree that VO space allocated
> > over a period of time _is_ a usage. BUT VO allocation at any instant
> is
> > not. That said, the dynamics of any allocation/usage needs to be
> > recorded to be able to answer the question "over period X did the
> > allocation always satisfy: instantaneous_storage( used+available) > N
> > (dimension:bytes)?"
> A possible implementation could be to have records for the usage and
> records stating the allocated space such that it is possible to do such
> a comparison.
> E.g. (in the StAR scheme)
> 
> Allocation:
> ...
> <ur:StorageSystem>host.example.org</ur:StorageSystem>
> <ur:StorageShare>pool-003</ur:StorageShare>
> <ur:StorageClass>allocated</ur:StorageClass>
> <ur:StorageResourceCapacityUsed>14728</ur:StorageResourceCapacityUsed>
> ...
> 
> Usage:
> ...
> <ur:StorageSystem>host.example.org</ur:StorageSystem>
> <ur:StorageShare>pool-003</ur:StorageShare>
> <ur:StorageResourceCapacityUsed>1728</ur:StorageResourceCapacityUsed>
> ...
> 
> This would mean that the analysis of the records has to be careful in
> not mixing the different meanings of the records.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ralph
> 
> 
> > John, does that last clause satisfy WLCG?
> >
> > Mike
> > --
> > Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
> >
> > john.gordon at stfc.ac.uk wrote:
> >
> >     I’ll be in Taiwan next week UTC+8 so I may or may not attend.
> >     Depends if anything official is happening that evening and if I
> can
> >     stay awake and if Skype works.
> >
> >     I’ll add the WLCG storage use case to the wiki before then. I
> must
> >     stress that this is important to WLCG and that we consider space
> >     allocated to a VO as ‘usage’ as it is not available to others and
> is
> >     to be recorded just like space occupied by files. i.e. Not
> >     monitoring any more than recording the existence of files in
> >     monitoring.
> >
> >     John
> >
> >     *From:*ur-wg-bounces at ogf.org [mailto:ur-wg-bounces at ogf.org] *On
> >     Behalf Of *Andrea Cristofori
> >     *Sent:* 21 February 2012 08:15
> >     *To:* Jon Kerr Nilsen
> >     *Cc:* ur-wg at ogf.org
> >     *Subject:* Re: [UR-WG] Actions for next phone meeting on
> 21.02.2012,
> >     15:00 CET
> >
> >
> >     Dear all,
> >
> >     Sorry for the short notice but neither I or Jon can make it to
> today
> >     phone conference. We would like then to postpone it to next week
> >     (same day, same time).
> >     About today actions Jon already published the document and I got
> an
> >     answer for the slot at OGF:
> >
> >     http://www.ogf.org/gf/event_schedule/index.php?id=2413
> >
> >     Again apologies.
> >
> >     Cheers,
> >     Andrea
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >     On 02/21/2012 09:08 AM, Jon Kerr Nilsen wrote:
> >
> >     Hi all,
> >
> >     As John AK just reminded me, the next phone meeting is today.
> We'll
> >     go through the actions mentioned below and possibly make some new
> >     ones. Just to try out something new, I suggest we try the Skype
> >     conference room in Lund (which is starting to get stable now). So
> >     you can call in to
> >
> >     Place: Skype
> >     Skype contact: lund.room.1
> >     Phone bridge: +46462884608
> >
> >     cheers,
> >
> >     Jon
> >
> >     On 7. feb. 2012, at 17:32, Andrea Cristofori wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >     Dear all,
> >
> >     Most of the phone conference has been focused on the comments on
> the
> >     use cases provided by John AK. We commented directly inline on
> the
> >     wiki. Feel free to add more Use cases if not present. We will
> >     comment them during next phone conference. We also agreed in
> asking
> >     for a second time slot during OGF (if possible the same day) and
> >     divide the agenda in two parts and JKN will look for information
> on
> >     how to make the document he circulated the 25th public. The
> actions
> >     for next meeting are the following:
> >
> >     - AC: Ask for another session the same day at OGF and update the
> >     agenda on OGF website
> >     - JKN: make public the document
> >     - All: write some examples for the different use cases (minima,
> >     grid, local, etc.) (Ralph local, JAK Grid/dCache)
> >
> >
> >
> >     Especially for John Gordon: can you please comment on those two
> use
> >     cases:
> >
> >      1. As a project I would like to be able to view the used and
> unused
> >         storage space that I have on a storage resource.
> >         - Thus I can see how much headroom I have.
> >
> >     All: seems to be more monitoring Comments from John are required
> >
> >      1. As a project I would like to be able to view the requested
> >         storage I have on a specific resource and the
> allocated/reserved
> >         resources I have on that resource.
> >         - Thus I can see I asked for 100TB and I currently have only
> >         80TB at my disposal (of which i am using 50TB).
> >
> >     All: seems to be more monitoring Comments from John are required
> >
> >
> >     Cheers
> >     Andrea
> >
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