[UR-WG] move to new chairs process.

Fri Nov 4 18:10:12 CDT 2011

Yes that helps.

Thanks
John

Andre Merzky <andre at merzky.net> wrote:

Hi guys,

if I may chime in,

On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 10:33 PM,  <john.gordon at stfc.ac.uk> wrote:
> I thought it was more that one should be from US and one from europe but since you have documentary evidence I withdraw the suggestion..

OGF will never veto a (set of) group chair(s) as long as there is
confidence that
they get the job done, no matter where they are from.  What will raise
eyebrows is
when the all chair candidates represent the same small fraction of the
group.  The
US/EU/Asia distribution rule was once a useful measure to ensure that
this does not
happen - but if it is obvious that the chairs can provide a balanced
representation
of the group, their origin does not matter at all...

Hope that helps,

  Andre.

> John
>
> Mike Jones <mike.jones at manchester.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>
> John,
>
> Yes, in the sense that one should be a strong manager and one should be an
> technical expert.
>
> Relevant documentation you might have been thinking of is perhaps:
> GFD34 ss1.3
> "A working group chair role is fundamentally a management role, requiring
> excellent communication and organizational skills as well as in depth
> understanding of the topic area. It is often a good strategy to have co-chairs
> including a topic expert and a strong manager. Chairing a working group also
> requires a significant time investment and it is useful to see a track record
> of diligent effort on the part of the chairs as well as an indication that the
> chairs’ management is supportive of the time commitment. Part of this
> necessary commitment is also to ensure that the group makes progress between
> and during GGF meetings, and thus involves travel. Can you, the chair, commit
> to at least 4 hours per week to run this group?"
>
> And from section 1.1:
>
> "Chairs:
>  o Name One, email
>  o Name Two, email
> Secretary(s)/Webmaster(s) (both optional):
>  o Name One, email
>  o Name Two, email
> "...
>
> Mike
>
> On Friday 04 November 2011 18:04:48 john.gordon at stfc.ac.uk wrote:
>> Mike, I can't be bothered trawling for evidence but I believe the aim of
>> having co-chairs was to have them from different hemispheres to maximize
>> presence of chairs as OGF moved around.
>>
>> John
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: ur-wg-bounces at ogf.org [mailto:ur-wg-bounces at ogf.org] On Behalf Of
>> > Mike Jones
>> > Sent: 04 November 2011 17:38
>> > To: ur-wg at ogf.org
>> > Subject: [UR-WG] move to new chairs process.
>> >
>> >
>> > Folks,
>> >
>> > I've had a response from Andre and Joel.  It seems the WG needs to
>> > propose new
>> > chairs via Andre M. who must then choose whether to ratify this, that
>> > is all.
>> > I have suggested that we will agree chairs amongst ourselves by the end
>> > of the
>> > next telecon.
>> >
>> > IIRC we haven't formally agreed as a working group who should chair the
>> > new
>> > group.  So we need a process for this.  The best documented guidance I
>> > can find
>> > for the removal of existing and the proposing of new chairs is RFC 2418
>> > ss4
>> > [via GFD-C3 ss3.5]. And in the spirit of other OGF processes we should
>> > do this
>> > by consensus.  We'd also like to do this quickly!
>> >
>> > I move to start the process of chair selection and propose using the
>> > following
>> > criteria:
>> >
>> > 1, We should have 1 chair or 2 co-chairs [GFD-C3 ss 4.3.1]
>> > 2, There should be a proposer and seconder for each.
>> > 3, Each person may propose one person and second one person (and may
>> > not
>> > propose or second themselves!)
>> > 4, The proposed person must agree to take on the responsibility. :-)
>> > 5, Nomination shall close by the start of the next telecon (15th Nov
>> > 2011)
>> > 6, We should conclude the process at the next telecon where there are
>> > at least
>> > four participants.
>> > 6, Consensus will be reached when there are no objections by persons on
>> > the
>> > telecon.
>> > 7, After the telecon I shall pass on our selection to Andre.
>> >
>> > Can we agree to this?
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> >
>> > ----------  Forwarded Message  ----------
>> >
>> > Subject: Re: UR-WG move to new chairs process.
>> > Date: Friday 04 November 2011, 15:02:05
>> > From: Joel Replogle <joel.replogle at gmail.com>
>> > To: Andre Merzky <andre at merzky.net>, Mike Jones
>> > <mike.jones at manchester.ac.uk>
>> > CC: Joel Replogle <replogle at ogf.org>
>> >
>> > Mike - yes, the pages look very out of date. :-)  Can you tell me (with
>> > Andre's confirmation as AD) who the chairs should be (including their
>> > email and
>> > gridforge usernames)?  Then the chairs (once updated) can go and update
>> > the
>> > charter pages through this form:
>> > www.ogf.org/gf/group_info/charter.php?group=ur-wg
>> >
>> > Once that's updated there is an approval process (working through the
>> > AD
>> > again) for the actual updating of the web pages.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Joel
>> >
>> > On Nov 2, 2011, at 8:25 AM, Andre Merzky wrote:
>> > > Hi Mike,
>> > >
>> > > thanks for the follow-up - this dropped of my radar.  I Cc Joel, who
>> >
>> > should
>> >
>> > > know the current status.
>> > >
>> > > Best, Andre.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Mike Jones
>> >
>> > <mike.jones at manchester.ac.uk>
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> > >> Hi Andre,
>> > >>
>> > >> What's the process for changing the chairs of a working group?  UR-
>> >
>> > WG and
>> >
>> > >> management of corresponding gridforge pages.
>> > >>
>> > >> Looks also that the charter is way out of date, I guess this'll need
>> >
>> > updating.
>> >
>> > >> Thanks,
>> > >> Mike
>> > >
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