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R. A. Hettinga
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;-)
Cheers,
RAH
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Subject: Re: BOUNCE cryptography at metzdowd.com: Approval required:
From: "Perry E. Metzger" <perry at piermont.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:57:19 -0500
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That article is bullshit, Rob. Yes, Clinton's NSA spied on US
citizens, but they got FISA approval when they did it. I would agree
that FISC would approve spying on a dead goat on the basis of a white
house lawyer claiming the goat was a foreign agent, but that's beside
the point -- to my knowledge, they obeyed the law, as odious as the
law was. Therefore, I'm not forwarding.
Perry
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<http://www.newsmax.com/scripts/printer_friendly.pl?page=http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/12/18/221452.shtml>
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> Reprinted from NewsMax.com
> Sunday, Dec. 18, 2005 10:10 p.m. EST
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> Clinton NSA Eavesdropped on U.S. Calls
>
> During the 1990's under President Clinton, the National Security Agency
> monitored millions of private phone calls placed by U.S. citizens and
> citizens of other countries under a super secret program code-named
Echelon.
>
> On Friday, the New York Times suggested that the Bush administration has
> instituted "a major shift in American intelligence-gathering practices"
> when it "secretly authorized the National Security Agency to eavesdrop on
> Americans and others inside the United States to search for evidence of
> terrorist activity without [obtaining] court-approved warrants."
>
> But in fact, the NSA had been monitoring private domestic telephone
> conversations on a much larger scale throughout the 1990s - all of it done
> without a court order, let alone a catalyst like the 9/11 attacks.
>
> In February 2000, for instance, CBS "60 Minutes" correspondent Steve Kroft
> introduced a report on the Clinton-era spy program by noting:
>
> "If you made a phone call today or sent an e-mail to a friend, there's a
> good chance what you said or wrote was captured and screened by the
> country's largest intelligence agency. The top-secret Global Surveillance
> Network is called Echelon, and it's run by the National Security Agency."
>
> NSA computers, said Kroft, "capture virtually every electronic
> conversation around the world."
>
> Echelon expert Mike Frost, who spent 20 years as a spy for the Canadian
> equivalent of the National Security Agency, told "60 Minutes" that the
> agency was monitoring "everything from data transfers to cell phones to
> portable phones to baby monitors to ATMs."
>
> Mr. Frost detailed activities at one unidentified NSA installation, telling
> "60 Minutes" that agency operators "can listen in to just about anything" -
> while Echelon computers screen phone calls for key words that might
> indicate a terrorist threat.
>
> The "60 Minutes" report also spotlighted Echelon critic, then-Rep. Bob
> Barr, who complained that the project as it was being implemented under
> Clinton "engages in the interception of literally millions of
> communications involving United States citizens."
>
> One Echelon operator working in Britain told "60 Minutes" that the NSA had
> even monitored and tape recorded the conversations of the late Sen. Strom
> Thurmond.
>
> Still, the Times repeatedly insisted on Friday that NSA surveillance under
> Bush had been unprecedented, at one point citing anonymously an alleged
> former national security official who claimed: "This is really a sea
> change. It's almost a mainstay of this country that the NSA only does
> foreign searches."
>
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R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah at ibuc.com>
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