[Brinworld] Car's data recorder convicts driver

Mike Rosing eresrch at eskimo.com
Wed Jun 18 19:41:53 PDT 2003


On Thu, 19 Jun 2003, Thomas Shaddack wrote:

> Works very nicely. :)
>
> Problem: leaves evidence, and takes time. The main advantage of electric
> shock is that the fried chip looks for the naked eye exactly the same way
> as a non-fried chip. The only difference could be found with a scanning
> electron microscope on the chip itself, which is something nobody is
> likely to bother with. Especially in harsh environments (cars classify)
> chips tend to die, so its death could look as natural enough to not be
> suspicious.
>
> If I am wrong, please tell me where and why. :)

Automotive environments are known to be harsh, so electronics is protected
to some extent.  The assumption is that spark plug voltages can get into
sensors, so most data lines are protected as are the sensor lines.  If you
try to fry things with double the voltage of a standard spark plug it may
not work, if you use 10 times that it will, but the ESD protection will
obviously be blown too.  That begins to look suspicious (but I doubt
anyone could _prove_ you fried it on purpose).

The main question is how deep is the memory of these things.  If they only
remember the last catastrophic event then "privacy" isn't a problem.  The
actual routes taken are not stored.  If you are in an accident and the
cops ask you to take a breath test, you can take the test or not - and
deal with the consequences of the legal system based on your choice.  The
data taken from the recorder for the "event" is then corroboration, which
may help instead of hurt you.

If the box remembers everything you do, and the garage mechanic can use it
to blackmail you, then it becomes a "privacy" issue.  I think the issue is
when data is removed, and how much is actually stored.  Can anybody
explain the details?

Patience, persistence, truth,
Dr. mike





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