From one4evil at juno.com Mon Jun 1 01:38:27 1998 From: one4evil at juno.com (Nalus Optic) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 01:38:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: que pasa Message-ID: <19980531.003128.9966.0.one4evil@juno.com> Cypherpunks, I would like to thank Xcott for sending me that faq. Alos, thanks to the other guy who sent the info on e-mailing your way around the web...It is VERY confusing... I just have a few quick questions. I have gotten well over 25 messages from this list and so far only one of them had _anything_ to do with crypto...I know that most or all of you have a bit of background in crypto but I am just learning. So what I am wanting to know is a: are there any other crypto e-lists that are for newbies? b: are there any better text philes to read that give a better introduction that is for a newbie and c: what do you people feel is the best encryption someone can have that I could get? Thanks, D. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From jya at pipeline.com Mon Jun 1 08:38:44 1998 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 08:38:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RSA, NAI Settle Suit Message-ID: <199806011538.LAA11092@camel8.mindspring.com> PR Newswire, June 1, 1998 [Excerpt]: RSA Data Security and Network Associates Announce Settlement of Lawsuit; Network Associates Licenses RSA Crypto-security Software Redwood City and Santa Clara, Calif., June 1 -- RSA Data Security, Inc. and Network Associates today announced that the companies have settled patent infringement and copyright lawsuits brought by RSA against Network Associates and its subsidiaries PGP, Inc., and Trusted Information Systems (TIS). In addition, Network Associates entered into a new royalty-bearing license for RSA's crypto-security engines, providing Network Associates with rights to include RSA components within a number of Network Associates, PGP, and TIS products. Under the terms of the settlement agreement, Network Associates will draw on a previously established escrow set at the time of the PGP acquisition to pay RSA an undisclosed sum to settle past issues and for legal fees. As a result of today's settlement agreement, three federal actions and a court-ordered arbitration related to the dispute have been resolved. From sunder at brainlink.com Mon Jun 1 09:21:55 1998 From: sunder at brainlink.com (Sunder) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 09:21:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: When write high-speed implementation, In-Reply-To: <19980530042752.25126.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <3572D417.5145276A@brainlink.com> It's actually expressed as a set of complex numbers with lots of data in the imaginary side. These are displayed with fixed point decimals (or static point decimals) expressing a width and height for the rectangle hence the term S-Box. Since DES works on 64 bit blocks using a 56 bit key, you can use either 56 decimal places, or 64 for more accuracy, but far less speed. For purposes of optimization to extreme high speed, you should take your key and sort it (be sure to use Quick Sort here, and not bubble sort!), that is put all the 1 bits to the right, all the 0 bits to the left, and the naughty bits in your head. Then take the result and express it as 2^X-1, and extract X. Once you have X, repeat the process until X=2. With me so far? Good, now you have to extract the naughty bits from your mind, and let N express them. Your S boxes are now comprised of X+Ni which you can simply express as 2+Ni. Now, if you recall, Ni is the symbol for nickel, which is what this algorithm is worth $2.05 payable in Monopoly dollars. If you've been following the news, you'll know that Microsoft is a monopoly and therefore weighs the same as a duck. Since ducks float, and wood also floats, ducks must weigh the same as wood, and therefore are witches. Multiply this by the flight speed of an unladen African swallow, and divide it by the flight speed of a laden european swallow, then add your favorite color, and substract your name. Okay, so that's the high-speed write implementation, don't forget that the high speed read implementation is the opposite of the write, so reverse the sort and this time, make sure you use random sort. (That is toss the bits up randomly, and if they wind up in the order you wanted, you're done, otherwise keep tossing.) And don't forget that tossed bits require Ranch dressing or Italian, with onion crutons, but never Russian (because the USSR never used DES.) Now that we've told you the secret of high speed DES, your assignment is to come back in a week with source code to the above written in SNOBOL which can run on CP/M 6502 machines. Of course you'll need to roll your own CP/M 6502 OS as well as a SNOBOL compiler and assembler, but heck, that's easy. Oh, one catch, make sure your CP/M runs on all C64 and Apple II's, or you can't properly consider it a portable DES implementation. Good luck. [ Snicker, snicker, ROTFLMAO! I wonder how long it will take him to figgure out that he's being trolled... heh... ] Nobuki Nakatuji wrote: > > When write high-speed implementation, > Is S-box written by hexadecimal or > written by decimal? > Thanks. -- =====================================Kaos=Keraunos=Kybernetos============== .+.^.+.| Ray Arachelian |Prying open my 3rd eye. So good to see |./|\. ..\|/..|sunder at sundernet.com|you once again. I thought you were |/\|/\ <--*-->| ------------------ |hiding, and you thought that I had run |\/|\/ ../|\..| "A toast to Odin, |away chasing the tail of dogma. I opened|.\|/. .+.v.+.|God of screwdrivers"|my eye and there we were.... |..... ======================= http://www.sundernet.com ========================== From jya at pipeline.com Mon Jun 1 10:33:08 1998 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:33:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Counterpane Cracks MS's PPTP Message-ID: http://www.counterpane.com/pptp.html Thanks to GM From jya at pipeline.com Mon Jun 1 11:26:58 1998 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 11:26:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Foundation for Information Policy Research Message-ID: <199806011826.OAA15687@camel14.mindspring.com> Source: http://www.ntk.net/fipr/ Subject: URGENT: press release - FIPR Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 16:52:16 +0100 From: Ross Anderson Title: New Independent Research Foundation Backed by Microsoft Embargoed until 11.00 Friday 29th May Too often, policy issues relating to information technology are seperately debated by two distinct grouups: technology experts and those focused on social concerns. Policy makers face the challenge of reconciling the seperate debates in areas where technology is often evolving very quickly. A new research foundation aims to provide clear advice that spans this gap and is independent of vested interests. The Foundation for Information Policy Research will fund research into how information technology affects society. It is launched at a press conference on Friday 29th May at 11.00 am. (1) Microsoft has contributed a six-figure sum to cover the launch costs. Internet service providers Poptel and Demon are also supporting the Foundation. Its independence will be guaranteed, however, by a board of trustees. (2) In the medium term it will be supported by subscriptions from a range of firms in commerce and industry. The goal of the Foundation is to promote research and understanding of the effects, and the likely future effects, of IT on society. Its areas of investigation include: (3) * the regulation of electronic commerce; * consumer protection; * data protection and privacy; * copyright; * law enforcement; * evidence and archiving; * electronic interaction between government, businesses and individuals; * the extent to which various information technologies discriminate against the less advantaged members of society; and * the new risks that computer and communication systems pose to life, health and economic well-being The Foundation will also provide a valuable resource for the press as it will be able to put journalists in touch with a wide range of experts who can explain IT issues as they arise. Contact: Caspar Bowden (Director of the Foundation) 0171 837 8706 Ross Anderson (Chair of the Foundation) 01223 334733 QUOTES The Director of the Foundation, Caspar Bowden, said: ``The IT policies (and failures) which the current government inherited, and the decisions which will be made by them in the future, will have far-reaching effects on who society's winners and losers will be. We have a duty to prevent technological innovation and development taking place at the expense of the poor, the old, the sick and the disabled. We believe that so long as we understand the social and policy implications of new technical innovations, we can make IT into a means to facilitate social inclusion. The Foundation's mission will be to achieve and to spread that understanding.'' The Managing Director of Microsoft UK, David Svendsen, said: ``It's important that we contribute to a broad and informed public discussion on these information society issues.'' The Chair of the Foundation, Ross Anderson of Cambridge University, said: ``We welcome this new source of funding for IT related research. An increase in the diversity of funding sources is almost always a good thing, and the Foundation will be particularly valuable as much of the available IT funding is directed to very short-term and narrowly technical agendas.'' NOTES (1) The press conference is at the "Scrambling for Safety" conference, at the Bloomsbury Theatre, University College, London. URL: (2) The Foundation's Director and full-time CEO, Caspar Bowden, has for the last three years been running Qualia, a consultancy business specialising in internet implementations. Before that he was a financial strategist with Goldman Sachs. He also researched IT and communications issues for Scientists for Labour. Its chair, Ross Anderson, is a faculty member at Cambridge University Computer Laboratory and has done extensive research on topics related to electronic commerce. BACKGROUND The "Millennium Bug" - the problem that many computers cannot deal correctly with the date roll-over from 1999 to 2000 - threatens to cause havoc with many systems and has been declared a national emergency by the Prime Minister. Another problem that has worried policymakers and concerned citizens is that new developments in IT may discriminate against the less well off members of society. For example, the current mechanisms for electronic commerce depend on consumers using their credit cards to order goods and services over the net. They often get a big discount for buying this way; but people without credit cards may lose out. The first task that the Foundation has set itself is to examine the underpinnings of electronic commerce. The European Commission has recently published a draft Directive on this subject and will launch a period of public consultation at the same conference at which the Foundation itself will be launched. (The draft directive is at [missing].) Other topics which the Foundation plans to investigate include: * the maintenance of public records in electronic form. We do not fully understand how to ensure that word processor files and other electronic documents created today can be safely stored for many years, and reliably made available in the future. This affects not just the new Freedom of Information Act, but also the work of future librarians and historians. * the development of copyright law. There are some industry proposals which would restrict the ability of libraries to lend out digital works. Will this mean the end of the public library, as more and more books, videos and other material become digital? What are the implications for schools and universities? What are the implications for the public, if all major sports events in future are pay-per-view? Are these developments inevitable, or is there something we can do about them? * the introduction of electronic communication between the citizen and the government has the potential to cut queues and the frustration of dealing with people on the phone. However, are these changes intrinsically more likely to favour the articulate, and to bring the most benefit to well-off people with their own computers? What technical developments are reasonably possible to ensure that all citizens get a fair deal? * the previous government's proposal for a "personal signature card" that would give access to all government services had a distinct flavour of an ID card. Are such developments necessary, or can we find workable alternatives? * the police are concerned about the spread of prepaid mobile phones, which are increasingly used by stalkers and extortionists. However, if they are banned, then how would people without credit cards obtain a mobile phone service? * there have been many disputes in the past over "phantom withdrawals" from bank cash machines, and banks have defended themselves by claiming that their computers cannot be wrong. How can this approach work when millions of merchants are selling services through a wide variety of computer systems? What will consumer rights amount to in the information age? * the failure of government computer systems - whether spectacular failure due to the millennium bug, or the continuing sporadic failures in the NHS - does most harm to pensioners, the disabled, single mothers, the unemployed and people on NHS waiting lists (who are typically elderly, female and working class). How can we encourage best engineering practice in the public sector? - - - ends - - Thanks to Danny O'Brien, UK Crypto Story: http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/12624.html Web site under construction: http://www.fipr.org From StanSqncrs at aol.com Mon Jun 1 12:09:06 1998 From: StanSqncrs at aol.com (StanSqncrs at aol.com) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:09:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Nobody comes up with a great point! Message-ID: <9082dcf2.3572fc2e@aol.com> Unfortunately, he didn't seem to want to share it with the Cypherpunks. Nobody - << >> Of course, I do admit, that I do speak from a left POV. Which one? >> Mine. << There are so many left POVs! >> Correctamundo! We aren't a bunch of brain-washed DittoHeads like the right is. :-) Stan From one4evil at juno.com Mon Jun 1 12:18:08 1998 From: one4evil at juno.com (Nalus Optic) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:18:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: I need a compiler! Message-ID: <19980601.031903.11638.0.one4evil@juno.com> Cypherpunks, Tis I, D, again...I just have one other question...Could some of you tell me what C compilers you use...Also, could you just tell me every program you would have that has anything to do with crypto if you had the cash? I guess one would need a C compiler, a hex editer maybe, are there any crypto programs that are sort of like templates, where you set the paramiters and the program compiles the encryption for you...Pipe dream I am sure... That is about it... D. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From angelos at dsl.cis.upenn.edu Mon Jun 1 12:58:59 1998 From: angelos at dsl.cis.upenn.edu (Angelos D. Keromytis) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 12:58:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: KeyNote v0.1 Release Announcement Message-ID: <199806011956.PAA12769@adk.gr> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- To: coderpunks at toad.com Subject: KeyNote v0.1 Release Announcement Cc: cypherpunks at toad.com Date: 06/01/98, 15:56:45 KeyNote is a trust-management system, designed on the same principles as PolicyMaker, but simpler and better-defined. This is the first public release, and although the code has been tested, it is by no means guaranteed bug-free (but then, what is). That said, you can get a copy from http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~angelos/keynote-0.1.tar.gz -Angelos PS. From the README file: There should be a real README file here, but in the meantime read draft-angelos-spki-keynote-01.txt for the spec of KeyNote. There's much to be done yet to improve the user interface(s). Signature verification is (deliberately) missing from this release, but the next one will have it. The hooks are obvious in the code (search for XXX in parse_assertion.c). The makefile creates the libkeynote.a library which can be linked with other applications. The program keynote-verify can be used to verify a request, given a set of assertions and an environment. There will be a man page in the next release both for the library and the program, along with some sort of graphical UI to make assertion generation (including signing) easier. For any questions, comments, bug reports, praise, or anything else you have in mind, contact me at angelos at dsl.cis.upenn.edu Angelos D. Keromytis May 31 1998 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.4, an Emacs/PGP interface iQCVAwUBNXMHfr0pBjh2h1kFAQElOgP9FyKPDQPvctQyJLl5djz4xj/edgRgQrlb YmqwVQqGrKKC/KrgUbu/A6c/RyqT1l1/nk9U4pONQaJoAtT0pQcgpYISQ2Ji/0JY tG8y+r+WqhWElgUuPxZff5jH5V3mbCDInKoe4BvkE0wwnW7QvwCSVa/nP/Ecs+1e KpiewSL6Ug8= =0f31 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From J-Dog at Elitehackers.org Mon Jun 1 13:35:07 1998 From: J-Dog at Elitehackers.org (J-Dog) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 13:35:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: I need a compiler! In-Reply-To: <19980601.031903.11638.0.one4evil@juno.com> Message-ID: gee, gcc seems to always do teh trick for me when I want to compile some C..... Then again, if I was to say linux to you, you would prolly run in ph33r ... so, why don't you call bill up and ask him to send you a free version of Visual C++.... so that you too can crank out useless winblowz code... Latez JD On Mon, 1 Jun 1998, Nalus Optic wrote: > Cypherpunks, > > Tis I, D, again...I just have one other question...Could some of > you tell me what C compilers you use...Also, could you just tell me every > program you would have that has anything to do with crypto if you had the > cash? I guess one would need a C compiler, a hex editer maybe, are there > any crypto programs that are sort of like templates, where you set the > paramiters and the program compiles the encryption for you...Pipe dream I > am sure... > > That is about it... > > D. > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > From whgiii at invweb.net Mon Jun 1 14:38:44 1998 From: whgiii at invweb.net (William H. Geiger III) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:38:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Counterpane Cracks MS's PPTP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <199806012143.QAA018.23@geiger.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In , on 06/01/98 at 12:23 PM, John Young said: >http://www.counterpane.com/pptp.html >Thanks to GM when will people learn? Microsoft is *incapable* and *unwilling* to provide even nominal security for it's platforms. Several problems that exist: Technical Ability -- Microsoft is seriously lacking in the technical know-how when it comes to cryptology and data security. Corporate Mentality -- Microsoft does not have the mentality needed to produce secure products. This is a company that has historically shipped poorly designed, bug filled products out the door. Bugs are not seen as a problem but as an opportunity to sell upgrades. While this has done them well in selling their overpriced GameBoys (the sheeple never cease to disappoint me) it is *not* the environment for developing secure products. Previous security foobars by M$: NT C2 <---- LOL!!! Active X <---- Who was the brain child that though *that* up? Auto-Launch attached binaries in E-Mail <-- Can we say GoodTimes? Crypto-API <--- Right I would *trust* that. Honest. :) TCP/IP Stack <--- Too many flaws to list. Why would anyone trust these simpletons to produce any type of security product? - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 5.0 at: http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii/pgp.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- Tag-O-Matic: I love running Windows! NOT! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a-sha1 Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBNXMgd49Co1n+aLhhAQHmjAQArwgJj4kG8O+MYYCag4Xc8vr4zK4XDdGX niqu8nzfsJPfA2TisyFFyuFv9gejXQ6QhO7+tT2KQbbWJllPBIqIjjIqH8XkhcEW XhtMV/CoWprOp3tAHZi/n2LLn1kqtdhWG4FewGHn6R0Tzy6vq74ygk+qo9BeZNAd F92bia6qGio= =Cvy6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dorisaw at idt.net Mon Jun 1 14:59:30 1998 From: dorisaw at idt.net (Doris Woods) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 14:59:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Kirtland Air Force Base In-Reply-To: <35709AFC.7DD3@nmol.com> Message-ID: <35732427.ECA43EB9@idt.net> Hi all, bill payne wrote: > > Saturday 5/30/98 5:15 PM > > > Masanori, the book Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb by Gar Alperovitz > presents fairly good evidence some in US government nuked Hiroshima and > Nagasaki merely to impress the Russians. > Carroll Quigley said in Tragedy and Hope... they were worried the war would be over with before they got their chance to use it! Doris From whgiii at invweb.net Mon Jun 1 15:56:14 1998 From: whgiii at invweb.net (William H. Geiger III) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 15:56:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Kirtland Air Force Base In-Reply-To: <35732427.ECA43EB9@idt.net> Message-ID: <199806012257.RAA019.42@geiger.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <35732427.ECA43EB9 at idt.net>, on 06/01/98 at 05:59 PM, Doris Woods said: >Hi all, >bill payne wrote: >> >> Saturday 5/30/98 5:15 PM >> Masanori, the book Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb by Gar Alperovitz >> presents fairly good evidence some in US government nuked Hiroshima and >> Nagasaki merely to impress the Russians. >> >Carroll Quigley said in Tragedy and Hope... they were worried the war >would be over with before they got their chance to use it! Was this before or after they estimated that it would cost upwards of 1 Million lives to take the Japan mainland by conventional forces? - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 5.0 at: http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii/pgp.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- Tag-O-Matic: I went window shopping...and bought OS/2! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a-sha1 Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBNXMx849Co1n+aLhhAQEF/QP/Xz/1vWT108GyHjPe77raaL8JQRcfMa7N fwhcVkQcNMfwMlpEJC3F9eiEk5jpSD5papD3HA8Q7pSDX0vS5L7j7w9d2Xwc1vc/ +uEuZzGUqat5F4P0Iv2/KKPLDHgL/bL+2TkcyyLKkxj0e/IQQWCHIlirDXhY3zz2 TkJqXCgY9Mg= =a01s -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From one4evil at juno.com Mon Jun 1 16:17:09 1998 From: one4evil at juno.com (Nalus Optic) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:17:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: I need a compiler! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <19980601.071648.10254.1.one4evil@juno.com> J-Dog >who says I am socalled "elite"? Gee, your 'handle' is J-Dog...And your sending your mail through EliteHackers.org...Very original...I think have been to your web site once or twice...The EliteHackers.org that is... >WOW.. A dual PII 266... then you will really be elite... because you >know.. if you have a fast machine, you don't ahve to know shit.. you can >just fake it.. because your machine will cover up for you..... fuqin >moron... First...I am not a hacker and don't pretend to be...I phreak a little and like phones and shit...I subscribe to Telecom Digest and just like to play with phones...I like to blow shit up for fun so you could say I am a pyro...I got five bitches on my dick so you could call me a pimp...But I never said I was a hacker...I just like to know about how shit works...And in order to exploit any system, for fun or money or super 3l33t props, you gots to know the system...I want to put linux on my system because linux does have bugs and quirks and you have to know how to do more than click a mouse button for the shit to work. >bwhahahhaha....if you can not detect the sarcasm in here, then damn, you >are a bigger idiot than I thought..... geez man.. Ya, sure...Sarcasm...You laugh at me but dude...William is to busy with Netscape trying to dick him up the ass for me to call him again... >> And you know this...MAN! I am wanting to write my own supper program...I >> want to take all the good h/p/v/c apps out there and make a nice point > >and click interface for them all...one in linux and one in win ( ...fuck >> the mac people... ) Put it all on a CD and send free copies to all the >> cool hackers out there...Sort of a library O' chaos...Of coarse, I would >> not send one to just anyone...r00t would get a copy...I would send Eric B >> one just for kicks...Then I would send one to Death Vegi and the rest of >> the cDc...They got the cool philes....Anywhoo...Let me know who bill is. >Good Yogi, and while your att it, stop world Hunger, Racism, and poverty >with your uberhacker program... Again, you laugh at me for sarcasm.... But back to the real problem...yes, gcc would be ideal...How ever...I am not running Linux as of yet...so do you or any of you know any OTHER WINDOWS BASED COMPILERS that are worth a shit...I know it is a stretch but god... And J-Dog, what is up with the fucked up lingo...This ain't the movies... _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From jya at pipeline.com Mon Jun 1 16:38:15 1998 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:38:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Echelon Furor Message-ID: <199806012338.TAA09612@camel14.mindspring.com> The UK Sunday Times on the Internet had a story yesterday on the rising Echelon furor in Europe, "Spy Station F83." http://www.sunday-times.co.uk (see Focus feature) If you don't want to register we've mirrored the piece: http://jya.com/nsa-f83.htm It reviews the rapidly-growing NSA operation at Menwith Hill and Bad Aibling, with some recent information not covered in earlier reports. Several European pols -- German, French, Italian, et al -- are calling for investigations of alleged economic spying by NSA. NSA denies all, the writers say, except the Agency claims it's the best in the world at what it's capable of but not doing. From jya at pipeline.com Mon Jun 1 16:51:04 1998 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:51:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Commerce Echelon Message-ID: <199806012350.TAA13897@camel14.mindspring.com> The UK Sunday Times article claims that there is a unit in the Department of Commerce that receives NSA Echelon interceptions of economic data for massaging and passing on to interested US parties. Any information on this unit and how it decides who gets which secrets? From J-Dog at Elitehackers.org Mon Jun 1 16:57:27 1998 From: J-Dog at Elitehackers.org (J-Dog) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:57:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: I need a compiler! In-Reply-To: <19980601.071648.10254.1.one4evil@juno.com> Message-ID: > > >WOW.. A dual PII 266... then you will really be elite... because you > >know.. if you have a fast machine, you don't ahve to know shit.. you can > >just fake it.. because your machine will cover up for you..... fuqin > >moron... > > First...I am not a hacker and don't pretend to be...I phreak a little and > like phones and shit...I subscribe to Telecom Digest and just like to > play with phones...I like to blow shit up for fun so you could say I am a > pyro...I got five bitches on my dick so you could call me a pimp...But I > never said I was a hacker...I just like to know about how shit > works...And in order to exploit any system, for fun or money or super > 3l33t props, you gots to know the system...I want to put linux on my > system because linux does have bugs and quirks and you have to know how > to do more than click a mouse button for the shit to work. hah.. the fact that you are claiming that you are going to write a "program" that will combine all the good /h/p/v/c apps out there and combine them into one is simply ridiculous.. what you are claiming is that you are going to write a program that will have builting crackers, sniffers, DoSes, Tone Generators, Virii creation utils, box plans...etc. This is absolutely ridiculous... just for the record, what would you consider the "good /h/p/v/c" apps out there? the uberl33t winnuke.exe.. or perhaps maybe the k-rad linklooker.. it is ppl like you sho seriously make me wonder where society is headed... > > >bwhahahhaha....if you can not detect the sarcasm in here, then damn, you > >are a bigger idiot than I thought..... geez man.. > > Ya, sure...Sarcasm...You laugh at me but dude...William is to busy with > Netscape trying to dick him up the ass for me to call him again... ok hippy.... why don't you sport your /<-rad pvc pants and vinyl shirt and talk smack about how you are the uberhacker.... I think you have seen Hackers the movie one to many times there acid burn... > > >> And you know this...MAN! I am wanting to write my own supper > program...I > >> want to take all the good h/p/v/c apps out there and make a nice point > > >and click interface for them all...one in linux and one in win ( > ...fuck > >> the mac people... ) Put it all on a CD and send free copies to all the > >> cool hackers out there...Sort of a library O' chaos...Of coarse, I > would > >> not send one to just anyone...r00t would get a copy...I would send > Eric B > >> one just for kicks...Then I would send one to Death Vegi and the rest > of > >> the cDc...They got the cool philes....Anywhoo...Let me know who bill > is. > >Good Yogi, and while your att it, stop world Hunger, Racism, and poverty > >with your uberhacker program... > > Again, you laugh at me for sarcasm.... hell ya I laugh at you... either you are too big of an idiot to reaalize that you are being made fun of.. or you are to stupid to care.... at any rate, kill yourself... you are breating air I might need someday.... > > But back to the real problem...yes, gcc would be ideal...How ever...I am > not running Linux as of yet...so do you or any of you know any OTHER > WINDOWS BASED COMPILERS that are worth a shit...I know it is a stretch > but god... Not running linux as of yet? hehe so when are you gong to do a search for linux.exe and start to run it?.. as soon as your superkool P2 266 gets here... wowwie... I am impressed...... Hey DK.. pass me another beer... > > And J-Dog, what is up with the fucked up lingo...This ain't the movies... fucked up lingo? gee, I am very sorry if your small mind can not make out my words.. but I can assure you that this is NOT fucked up lingo... go read some h4x0r Br0s and then tell me about how fuct up my lingo is.... Latez JD btw... congrats on your really kool superl33t juno.com account.. you are r33t now. > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. > Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com > Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > From one4evil at juno.com Mon Jun 1 17:19:45 1998 From: one4evil at juno.com (Nalus Optic) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:19:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: I need a compiler! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <19980601.081903.10230.0.one4evil@juno.com> Ok, this is starting to get really odd. I am not a hacker...I DO NOT want to make some supper program...IT WAS A CRACK BASED ON WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT WIDOZE CODE!!! I don't know shit about hacking other than how to maybe use a cheese scanner like 'Phonetag' (which I have set up at school so that I don't get busted useing it at home.) I mean what is the argument here? Also, you keep putting things in here like: > uberl33t > k-rad > /<-rad Well, what the hell is up with that...I don't talk like that...Do you talk like that? Do you walk up to your local dealer and say you want some K-rad KB? No! You just say you want a fat once of KB! You don't fuck around. >Not running linux as of yet? hehe so when are you gong to do a search for >linux.exe and start to run it?.. as soon as your superkool P2 266 gets >here... wowwie... I am impressed...... Hey DK.. pass me another beer... Well, I have no net access...Boy that's 3L33T...and when I tried last time I had access, I kept having trouble makeing the boot disk...Maybe you can explane it to me...You do know stuff about linux and for that I ask a question...The page I was trying to get it from said that I needed to save some program ( this has been like eight months ago ) and then put the program, which was 1.44 mb, onto a floppy then boot your computer off the floppy...I put in a brand new, unnamed formated disk and it said that there was not enough disk space...I dont' have a damn clue as to why it would not work...Also, with my thirst for info, I am going to get the QUE linux book that comes with Linux 3.0.8 (?) slackware, redhat, a disk of misc. utilitys and a disk of net utilitys... I don't know why we are bitching at each other...You hack, I don't, you use jargon, I don't, I can spell and type, you can't...Where is the problem? Anyone back me up on this? I really don't like to fight with people I don't know...So what does the J stand for? Sort of ironic, my initals are JD, Jordan David...Fucked up, O my brothers... D. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From caj at math.niu.edu Mon Jun 1 17:42:49 1998 From: caj at math.niu.edu (Xcott Craver) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 17:42:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Holy QPRNF, part II (Re: Counterpane Cracks MS's PPTP) In-Reply-To: <199806012143.QAA018.23@geiger.com> Message-ID: > >http://www.counterpane.com/pptp.html This has got to be the scariest crypto-related paper I've ever read. Detailed therein is just an unnatural amount of screwing up for any one company, much less one product. How many of us had to explain to a sci.crypt newbie why we can't use the same one-time-pad string or cipher stream repeatedly? Here we have Microsoft re-using RC4 keys in OUTPUT FEEDBACK MODE. In the same session, fer God's sake, you and the server both use the same XOR stream to encrypt? This is not a subtle, excusable boo-boo. It's not even a crypto mistake: it's a basic inability to comprehend what the exclusive-or operation does. I gotta admit, my first impression was that Schneier, et al, were engaging in a heapin' helpin' of MS-bashing on their page. Having read the paper, however, I'm now convinced that they brushed too (po-)lightly over some real howlers. One might get the false impression that these are subtle flaws, rather than gaping holes from Hell. We gotta convince Bill to fire his crypto people, for the good of humanity. I suggest we get the message across by sending MS a bunch of t-shirts reading, "Everything I ever needed to know about crypto I learned from the LANMAN hash." -Xcott ==- Xcott Craver -- Caj at niu.edu -- http://www.math.niu.edu/~caj/ -== "This is a different thing: it's spontaneous and it's called 'wit.'" -The Black Adder From caj at math.niu.edu Mon Jun 1 18:01:56 1998 From: caj at math.niu.edu (Xcott Craver) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:01:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: I need a compiler! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 1 Jun 1998, J-Dog wrote: > at any rate, kill yourself... you are breating air I might need someday... Ah, lack of oxygen! I was going to blame a broken CAPS LOCK key. -Caj ==- Xcott Craver -- Caj at niu.edu -- http://www.math.niu.edu/~caj/ -== "This is a different thing: it's spontaneous and it's called 'wit.'" -The Black Adder From rah at shipwright.com Mon Jun 1 18:33:48 1998 From: rah at shipwright.com (Robert Hettinga) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:33:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Commerce Echelon In-Reply-To: <199806012350.TAA13897@camel14.mindspring.com> Message-ID: At 7:48 PM -0400 on 6/1/98, John Young wrote: > Any information on this unit and > how it decides who gets which secrets? It helps if you're Chinese or Indonesian... Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' Philodox: , e$: From one4evil at juno.com Mon Jun 1 18:36:12 1998 From: one4evil at juno.com (Nalus Optic) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:36:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: No Subject Message-ID: <19980601.093541.11502.0.one4evil@juno.com> Ok, I was just going through Phrack 51again and found this...I don't know if you people care or are seeing it for the 51 time, but if you want the whole thing, e-mail me or just go do a search for Phrack and look at there archives...There is a lot more to the artical, but this little bit lets you know what it is about. D. ---[ Phrack Magazine Volume 7, Issue 51 September 01, 1997, article 13 of 17 -------------------------[ Monoalphabetic Cryptanalysis (Cyphers, Part One) --------[ Jeff Thompson aka 'Mythrandir' Written for Phrack and completed on Sunday, August 31st, 1997. --------- First a quick hello to all of those I met at DefCon this year. It was incredible fun to finally put faces to many of the people I have been talking with for some time. It was truly was a treat to meet so many others who are alive with the spirit of discovery. ---------- This is the first in a series of articles on Cryptology that I am writing. The goals of these articles will be to attempt to convey some of the excitement and fun of cyphers. A topic of much discussion in regards to cryptography currently, is about computer based cyphers such as DES, RSA, and the PGP implementation. I will not be discussing these. Rather, these articles will cover what I will term classical cryptology. Or cryptology as it existed before fast number crunching machines came into existance. These are the sorts of cyphers which interested cryptographers throughout time and continue to be found even to this very day. Even today, companies are producing software whose encryption methods are attackable. You will find these commonly among password protection schemes for software programs. Through the course of these articles I will explain in practical terms several common cypher types and various implementations of them as well as cryptanalytic techniques for breaking these cyphers. Creating cyphers is fun and all, but the real excitement and often times tedium is found in Cryptanalysis. Many of the ideas presented in these articles will based on three sources. The following two books: The Codebreakers by David Kahn (ISBN: 0-684-83130-9) and Decrypted Secrets by F.L. Bauer (ISBN: 3-540-60418-9). Both authors have put together wonderful books which both cover the history and methods of Cryptology. Do yourself and the authors a favor and purchase these books. You will be very pleased with the lot. Finally, a miniscule amount of these articles will be written based on my own personal experience. The fun is in the journey and I welcome you on what is certain to be an interesting trip. Please feel free to raise questions, engage me in discussions, correct me, or simply offer suggestions at jwthomp at cu-online.com. Please be patient with me as I am traveling extensively currently, and may be away from the computer at length occasionally. Out the door and into the wild... --Monoalphabetic Cyphers Monoalphabetic cyphers are often currently found in simple cryptograms in books and magazines. These are just simple substitution cyphers. This does not mean that they are always simple for the beginning amateur to solve. Three common monoalphabetic cyphers which are used are substitution, cyclical, and keyed cyphers. -Substitution Cyphers By taking an alphabet and replacing each letter with another letter in a unique fashion you create a simple monoalphabetic cypher. Plaintext Alphabet A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z Cypher Alphabet Z I K M O Q S U W Y A C E B D F H J L N P R T V X G Plaintext Message The blue cow will rise during the second moon from the west field. Cyphertext Message nuo icpo kdt twcc jwlo mpjwbs nuo lokdbm eddb qjde nuo toln qwocm. -Cyclical Cyphers By taking an alphabet and aligning it with a rotated alphabet you get a cyclical cypher. For example: Plaintext Alphabet A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z Cypher Alphabet N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z A B C D E F G H I J K L M Indeed, you may recognize this cypher as a ROT13 which is commonly used on news groups to obscure messages. -Keyed Cypher Another way to create a monoalphabetic cypher is to choose a keyword or phrase as the beginning of the cypher alphabet. Usually, only the unique letters from the phrase are used in order to make sure the plaintext to cyphertext behaves in a one to one fashion. For example: Plaintext Alphabet: A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z Cypher Alphabet L E T O S H D G F W A R B C I J K M N P Q U V X Y Z The passphrase in this cypher is "Let loose the dogs of war" The advantage of such a system is that the encryption method is easy to remember. Also, a method of key change can be created without ever having to distribute the keys. For example, one could use the 4 words at a time of some piece of literature. Every message could use the next four words. Indeed, this change could occur more frequently, but that is a subject for another article. _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From one4evil at juno.com Mon Jun 1 18:58:38 1998 From: one4evil at juno.com (Nalus Optic) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 18:58:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: I need a compiler! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <19980601.095731.12158.0.one4evil@juno.com> On Mon, 01 Jun 1998 21:37:58 -0400 "Robert A. Costner" writes: >People are making fun of you for the following reasons: > > * The 'C' compiler comes with the operating system What OS? > * Your email address is well... you look at it :) I am a satanist, sorry... > * Most of the crypto programs are GPL, which is not freeware, but > you probably would not know the difference. (You don't need cash) I don't care if I have to pay...I was just asking for everyone's oppinion > * You sound like you are under 25 17... > * You use vulgarities (Juno kicking my ass, net access blows) And always will...Sorry, nothing gets the point across like a good vulgarity > * You can't spell. OK w/o the other stuff. I know I can't spell...But I am doing better than J-Dog, what other stuff? > * Your dual PII-266 that you need, seems overblown to those running > 386-25Mhz, or even 10Mhz systems. Hey, at least I didn't say I wanted my oun cray or a duel 400 :) > * You don't seem to know what PGP is. PGP: Pretty Good Privicy...Not for export, puplic encryption, you puplish your key then people can send you encrypted files...I think... >Try reading the list for a month before you make your next message. >It >might work better. Or just get PGP and learn how to use it without >asking >the list. Besides, my domain is more elite than the other guy's >hackerorg >domain. I have been on for about a week...My welcome message got no replys, all I seam to get are political messages, I have seen one question about crypto, and the reply was half joke...I DO NOT HAVE NET ACCESS! how do I get pgp with out net access...I just wanted to know what everyone else was useing...What is up with J-Dog jumping my shit (sorry) with this stuff about, "Then again, if I was to say linux to you, you would prolly run in ph33r"? I know linux, I want linux, you have read the other posts so I won't go into it...I guess i am just on the wrong list...I sent out a post befor about are there any better 'newbie' lists on crypto but got no responce...oh well. D. p.s, I like Juno... :( _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] From chris at cybernet.co.nz Mon Jun 1 20:24:24 1998 From: chris at cybernet.co.nz (Chris Wedgwood) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:24:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Counterpane Cracks MS's PPTP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <19980602152326.B32084@caffeine.ix.net.nz> On Mon, Jun 01, 1998 at 04:24:44PM -0500, William H. Geiger III wrote: > Previous security foobars by M$: > > NT C2 <---- LOL!!! Standard marketroid talk, I think M$ still tout this, but not so loudly these days. Last I heard they were trying to get C2 with network connectivity, but that was a while ago (2 years?) so they may have given up. I'm sure I would have heard if it had. That said, C2 doesn't necessarily buy you all that much. > Active X <---- Who was the brain child that though *that* up? Sure it sucks, it sucks for lots of reasons. But for the average luser it still better than plugins so thats why its taken off. And what make downloading a plugin and installing that any better? > Auto-Launch attached binaries in E-Mail <-- Can we say GoodTimes? Can anyone confirm that this has indeed been fixed yet? I should also point out that buffer overflow bugs have been known for some time (years?) with various unix mailers and their handling of .mailcap which essentially amounts to the same thing. > Crypto-API <--- Right I would *trust* that. Honest. :) Does anyone have a list of design and implementation flaws for CAPI? I've had discussions with a couple of people about these, but never seen anything published. > TCP/IP Stack <--- Too many flaws to list. Yeah... its crap, but not necessarily that much worse that some of the others out there. If someone were keeping score on which stacks help up the best against all the attacks of the last two years it probably wouldn't be the worst. > Why would anyone trust these simpletons to produce any type of security > product? Sure. 95% of the population does. People need to be educated about important issues, and using lots of complicated gobbledygook doesn't help. If you, like me, have a loved one that isn't terribly interested in computers or encryption, then see if the phrase 'modular exponentiation' doesn't kick there eye-glaze-secreting gland into over drive. I guess this is something Bruce Schneier has done well - a report for technical people who will read it, laugh and say they aren't surprised, and press releases with LOTS OF BIG LETTERS AND SMALL WORDS for the rest of the population including morons that are the media. I think everyone is waiting for NT5. Multi-user NT is at best an interesting concept. I remember at university using (arguably buggy) unix boxen with 200+ users simultaneously, with relatively few problems, but I'll be really surprised if NT could get close to this.... I am so looking forward to NT5, it should prove to be very entertaining and perhaps a really good opportunity to educate the public. OK, getting bored with this reply now, so here it goes, errors and all.... -Chris P.S. How does M$ sidestep the ITAR with ipsec code in Win98/NT5? From StanSqncrs at aol.com Mon Jun 1 21:19:17 1998 From: StanSqncrs at aol.com (StanSqncrs at aol.com) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:19:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: I need a compiler! Message-ID: <8d3fc421.35737c2b@aol.com> In a message dated 6/1/98 7:11:19 PM Central Daylight Time, J- Dog at Elitehackers.org writes: << (1 4 Evil)> Ya, sure...Sarcasm...You laugh at me but dude...William is to busy with > Netscape trying to dick him up the ass for me to call him again... ok hippy... >> Hey, I didn't say that! Why are you talking to me? Stan From StanSqncrs at aol.com Mon Jun 1 21:25:13 1998 From: StanSqncrs at aol.com (StanSqncrs at aol.com) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:25:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Counterpane Cracks MS's PPTP Message-ID: In a message dated 6/1/98 10:38:20 PM Central Daylight Time, chris at cybernet.co.nz writes: << > Auto-Launch attached binaries in E-Mail <-- Can we say GoodTimes? Can anyone confirm that this has indeed been fixed yet? >> It was my understanding, that the so-called GoodTimes virus was a farce, apparently aimed at specific commercial spammers. Stan From cyburai at earthlink.net Mon Jun 1 21:27:50 1998 From: cyburai at earthlink.net (Christopher Turner) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 21:27:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Tax revolt book Message-ID: <199806020427.VAA06278@italy.it.earthlink.net> C-punks, my apologies if this book was discussed on the list back when it first came out... in the course of cleaning up and packing in preparation for our move, I came across Bill Branon's first book, _Let Us Prey_. W/out going into any detail, the backdrop of the book takes place in present-day America where a sort of tax revolt is going on - over 1/3 of the taxpayers filed a Form 4868 - an automatic extension form - and 22% of those filers failed to enclose a check of any kind. There's a great part where the prez is freaking out because 1/3 of Americans are getting a gov't check of some kind and where the hell are they going to get the money when over another 1/3 of Americans won't pay their taxes. I highly recommend it. Take care all, and watch your six, Chris --- Ubi dubium ibi libertas Where there is doubt, there is freedom -Latin proverb From dave at bureau42.ml.org Mon Jun 1 22:17:55 1998 From: dave at bureau42.ml.org (David E. Smith) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:17:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: I need a compiler! In-Reply-To: <19980601.071648.10254.1.one4evil@juno.com> Message-ID: > But back to the real problem...yes, gcc would be ideal...How ever...I am > not running Linux as of yet...so do you or any of you know any OTHER > WINDOWS BASED COMPILERS that are worth a shit...I know it is a stretch > but god... um... so, why not get the Win32 port of GCC? ...dave ----- David E. Smith, P O Box 324, Cape Girardeau MO 63702 http://bureau42.base.org/people/dave/ dave at bureau42.ml.org From alan at ctrl-alt-del.com Mon Jun 1 22:23:25 1998 From: alan at ctrl-alt-del.com (Alan) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 22:23:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Counterpane Cracks MS's PPTP In-Reply-To: <199806012143.QAA018.23@geiger.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980601220343.04443930@ctrl-alt-del.com> At 03:23 PM 6/2/98 +1200, Chris Wedgwood wrote: > >On Mon, Jun 01, 1998 at 04:24:44PM -0500, William H. Geiger III wrote: > >> Previous security foobars by M$: >> >> NT C2 <---- LOL!!! > >Standard marketroid talk, I think M$ still tout this, but not so loudly >these days. Last I heard they were trying to get C2 with network >connectivity, but that was a while ago (2 years?) so they may have given up. >I'm sure I would have heard if it had. > >That said, C2 doesn't necessarily buy you all that much. Is this not what they claimed when they sold NT to the Air Force? Judging by some of the Air Force software I have seen, this frightens me more than most things. >> Active X <---- Who was the brain child that though *that* up? > >Sure it sucks, it sucks for lots of reasons. But for the average luser it >still better than plugins so thats why its taken off. And what make >downloading a plugin and installing that any better? You have a little more control over plug-ins. >> Auto-Launch attached binaries in E-Mail <-- Can we say GoodTimes? > >Can anyone confirm that this has indeed been fixed yet? > >I should also point out that buffer overflow bugs have been known for some >time (years?) with various unix mailers and their handling of .mailcap which >essentially amounts to the same thing. But those are specific to the client. Most Unix users know better. >> Crypto-API <--- Right I would *trust* that. Honest. :) > >Does anyone have a list of design and implementation flaws for CAPI? I've >had discussions with a couple of people about these, but never seen anything >published. I know of one, but I cannot release details yet. (I did not discover it and i need to wait until the non-beta version of the product is released.) Besides, I have been told I will be killed if I reveal it before it is time. >> TCP/IP Stack <--- Too many flaws to list. > >Yeah... its crap, but not necessarily that much worse that some of the >others out there. If someone were keeping score on which stacks help up the >best against all the attacks of the last two years it probably wouldn't be >the worst. A great deal of this blame can be placed on the WinSock spec. The spec was quite "loose" in many details of the implementation. You could be complient and still not be able to deal with much of the software out there. My vote for bad PC stack of the century was the one put out by Sun. Not even close to compatible... >> Why would anyone trust these simpletons to produce any type of security >> product? > >Sure. 95% of the population does. Sturgeon's law applies to people as well... >People need to be educated about important issues, and using lots of >complicated gobbledygook doesn't help. If you, like me, have a loved one >that isn't terribly interested in computers or encryption, then see if the >phrase 'modular exponentiation' doesn't kick there eye-glaze-secreting gland >into over drive. Most everything involving computers tends to do that. >I guess this is something Bruce Schneier has done well - a report for >technical people who will read it, laugh and say they aren't surprised, and >press releases with LOTS OF BIG LETTERS AND SMALL WORDS for the rest of the >population including morons that are the media. You can type it out in clear, short sentences and the media will still screw it up. If you have no clue as to what you are writing about, the accuracy of what you write will suffer. >I think everyone is waiting for NT5. Multi-user NT is at best an interesting >concept. I remember at university using (arguably buggy) unix boxen with >200+ users simultaneously, with relatively few problems, but I'll be really >surprised if NT could get close to this.... Multi-user NT is available now. Citrix and NCD both have versions out now. (Both are based on NT 3.51. They would have released a 4.0 product long ago, but Microsoft wanted the product for themselves.) The server load seems to be about 50 users per box. Depends on what you are running. >I am so looking forward to NT5, it should prove to be very entertaining and >perhaps a really good opportunity to educate the public. Assuming that they can be educated. Better to offer them a choice. It is hard to say "X is bad" unless you have an alternative. From chris at cybernet.co.nz Tue Jun 2 00:17:02 1998 From: chris at cybernet.co.nz (Chris Wedgwood) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 00:17:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Counterpane Cracks MS's PPTP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <19980602191625.A14758@caffeine.ix.net.nz> On Tue, Jun 02, 1998 at 12:20:11AM -0400, StanSqncrs at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/1/98 10:38:20 PM Central Daylight Time, > chris at cybernet.co.nz writes: > > << > Auto-Launch attached binaries in E-Mail <-- Can we say GoodTimes? > > Can anyone confirm that this has indeed been fixed yet? >> > > It was my understanding, that the so-called GoodTimes virus was a farce, > apparently aimed at specific commercial spammers. GoodTimes is a hoax. I'm talking about a bug in Outlook (Express?) that will execute code when email messages are opened. -Chris From icollins at sol.co.uk Tue Jun 2 01:45:25 1998 From: icollins at sol.co.uk (Iain Collins) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 01:45:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: I need a compiler! Message-ID: <3573BB3C.BFF57DC@sol.co.uk> >> And J-Dog, what is up with the fucked up lingo...This ain't the movies... >fucked up lingo? gee, I am very sorry if your small mind can not make out >my words.. but I can assure you that this is NOT fucked up lingo... go >read some h4x0r Br0s and then tell me about how fuct up my lingo is.... > >Latez >JD > >btw... congrats on your really kool superl33t juno.com account.. you are >r33t now. Both of you lose all all guru/elite points accumulated thus far by wasting bandwidth due to (repeatedly) inapproproately posting to the CypherPunks mailling list. Doh! Iain Collins, icollins at sol.co.uk From chris at cybernet.co.nz Tue Jun 2 04:16:03 1998 From: chris at cybernet.co.nz (Chris Wedgwood) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 04:16:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Counterpane Cracks MS's PPTP In-Reply-To: <199806012143.QAA018.23@geiger.com> Message-ID: <19980602231500.A532@caffeine.ix.net.nz> On Mon, Jun 01, 1998 at 10:03:43PM -0700, Alan wrote: > >That said, C2 doesn't necessarily buy you all that much. > > Is this not what they claimed when they sold NT to the Air Force? Judging > by some of the Air Force software I have seen, this frightens me more than > most things. Either M$ lied, or the Air Force should no better. In the former, the Air Force should sue M$, but more likely its the latter. Why should the Air Force have clue-full people when most large corporates, banks, governments, IT companies and software companies do not? Governments with large databases full of all your personal details and banks with all your financial details are two really good examples of organizations which should do a good job with system security and reliability but invariably do the worst (some exceptions apply). > >Sure it sucks, it sucks for lots of reasons. But for the average luser it > >still better than plugins so thats why its taken off. And what make > >downloading a plugin and installing that any better? > > You have a little more control over plug-ins. It doesn't really buy much. Most people will blindly download anything and install it. If it doesn't install the first time by finding all the right file locations, etc. and allowing the use to click Next every time, they will start deleting files at random trying to remove it. Perhaps I'm over stating things, but I'm a tad jaded from having to make documentation and software work for morons (the public at large). > But those are specific to the client. Most Unix users know better. The M$ example is confined to a specific client. Many unix users use unix because they are required too, these people are probably as clue-less and luse95 users. On average the number of clue-full 95 users against the number of clue-full unix users is probably 10:1 despite luse95 large user base, quoting numbers which I just made up of course and clue-full being defined by me, and able to be redefined whenever I feel like it. This is all beside the point - someone mentioned that a M$ mailer had a very nasty bug, I just pointed out that can and has also occurred elsewhere. > >Does anyone have a list of design and implementation flaws for CAPI? I've > >had discussions with a couple of people about these, but never seen > >anything published. > > I know of one, but I cannot release details yet. (I did not discover it > and i need to wait until the non-beta version of the product is released.) > Besides, I have been told I will be killed if I reveal it before it is > time. It can wait. It seems plenty of others are waiting.... > >Yeah... its crap, but not necessarily that much worse that some of the > >others out there. If someone were keeping score on which stacks help up > >the best against all the attacks of the last two years it probably > >wouldn't be the worst. > > A great deal of this blame can be placed on the WinSock spec. The spec > was quite "loose" in many details of the implementation. You could be > complient and still not be able to deal with much of the software out > there. The issues most people complain about are not related to the WinSock API, but poor coding in the stack that make stack overflows and memory buffer curruption trivial. Similar bugs used to exist in the *BSD and linux stacks, as with the streams library used by SCO and Solaris (although maybe solaris has something funny there). > My vote for bad PC stack of the century was the one put out by Sun. > Not even close to compatible... No, my shit-stack-off-the-week (I just decided now) goes to Ultrix stack which barfs on unknown tcp options and hence is complete fucked when tying to comminicate with a recent *BSD or linux boxes, solaris and possible Win98/NT5. > Sturgeon's law applies to people as well... ? Sorry... don't know it. > >People need to be educated about important issues, and using lots of > >complicated gobbledygook doesn't help. If you, like me, have a loved one > >that isn't terribly interested in computers or encryption, then see if > >the phrase 'modular exponentiation' doesn't kick there > >eye-glaze-secreting gland into over drive. > > Most everything involving computers tends to do that. Only because people are fed bullshit and lies by 80% of the industry 'consultants' who don't know much and use big words to cover this up. I really think people would be much more willing if they weren't feed so much crap at times. > You can type it out in clear, short sentences and the media will still > screw it up. If you have no clue as to what you are writing about, the > accuracy of what you write will suffer. Again, the above applies, but bear in mind that most people in the modern media have little interest in the truth unless it helps sales, and if not then just 'modify the story a bit'. It also helps to consider that most reporters are pretty dumb and lack any real qualifications to talk about the things that they do, PC rag. editors being a really good example. Lets face it, we use the 'net and crypto, so we are dirty filthy prevented peadophile unabomber criminals who are going to pervert the youth and corrupt the America way. If you deny this it just proves what an untrustworthy person you are. > Multi-user NT is available now. Citrix and NCD both have versions out now. > (Both are based on NT 3.51. They would have released a 4.0 product long > ago, but Microsoft wanted the product for themselves.) The server load > seems to be about 50 users per box. Depends on what you are running. Slightly different that NT5 though... I know people working on large Citrix boxes with 2GB of ram and they speak quite highly of it, but their 40+ users are running custom apps. with an NT4 like gui. I'm not so sure it would work so great with 10+ people running Visual C++ to compile and debug code.... where as unix boxen have been doing this for years with 500+ people. What really sucks is there is some nice ideas in bits of NT, only what little kewl stuff there is has lost all credibility because of the atrociously large bloated buggy code that constitutes the other 99% of it. > Assuming that they can be educated. Better to offer them a choice. It is > hard to say "X is bad" unless you have an alternative. The real shame in all this is there is no really viable choice to the evil borg. Not yet anyhow.... -Chris From adam at homeport.org Tue Jun 2 05:19:38 1998 From: adam at homeport.org (Adam Shostack) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 05:19:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Commerce Echelon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <199806021218.IAA27678@homeport.org> Robert Hettinga wrote: | > Any information on this unit and | > how it decides who gets which secrets? | | It helps if you're Chinese or Indonesian... I am shocked, shocked, to hear you suggest such a thing about our government. They don't care about these people's ethnicity, only their wallets. Thus, its helps if you're rich or stinkin' rich. That it came from the sweat of the peasants doesn't matter a whit. Adam -- "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -Hume From kemp at indusriver.com Tue Jun 2 06:09:55 1998 From: kemp at indusriver.com (Brad Kemp) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 06:09:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Counterpane Cracks MS's PPTP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980602090947.0317cc10@pop3.indusriver.com> This is a good paper. It covered almost all of the failures of MS PPTP. However, I think it missed a big one. It is possible to recover all the clear text from a PPTP session, even if most of the traffic is going in one direction only. The failure is in MPPE. When MPPE gets a sequenceing error, it resets the key. This causes the cipher stream to be reset. It is partially covered in section 5.4 . Since RC4 is a stream cipher, it generates the same cipher stream for a given key. This cipher stream is XORed with the clear text. To recover the clear text, an attacker just needs to force a resyncronization by sending a packet that has a bogus coherency count. If the attacker captures the original stream and the resynchronized stream a simple XOR of the two streams results in an XOR of the cleartext. While compression does make it harder to determine what the cleartext is, It is likely that a determined attacker can decrypt and decompress the XORed result. Brad Brad Kemp Indus River Networks, Inc. BradKemp at indusriver.com 31 Nagog Park 978-266-8122 Acton, MA 01720 fax 978-266-8111 From icollins at scotland.net Tue Jun 2 08:20:43 1998 From: icollins at scotland.net (Iain Collins) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 08:20:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Counterpane Cracks MS's PPTP In-Reply-To: <19980602152326.B32084@caffeine.ix.net.nz> Message-ID: <002301bd8e39$c8b18880$c7f3b094@webadmin.sol.co.uk> As reguards: > Previous security foobars by M$: > > NT C2 <---- LOL!!! I beleive that no operating system has ever been given a C2 certification, and that only indiviual installations can be certifed. This requries that each installation be transported and conducted under armed guard, which is case with certain US government Microsoft NT Workstation installations. It is also stated (somewhere, but I don't have the details to hand) that no C2 rated system should be plugged in to an external network connection (i.e. the internet), and that only connections to secure LAN's/WAN's are permitted (otherwise the C2 certification is meaningless, hence why NT Sever has never been C2 certified IIRC). I would be grateful if anyone can categorically deny or in any way support this. > Auto-Launch attached binaries in E-Mail <-- Can we say GoodTimes? The GoodTimes virus was, according to the DOE's CAIC a hoax. This is also my personal opinion. This is what DOE's CAIC have to say: http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html#goodtimes Or, more amusingly. http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html#goodspoof However All E-mail readers that support HTML & JavaScript/Java/Active-X are inherantly insecure. This inlcudes Netscape Navigator and Microsoft Outlook, where mearly the act of previewing a malicious message can cause adverse effects. If anyone were to include a embed a malicious Java or Active-X control then the supposed sandbox in Windows 9X/NT would be ineffectual as one could conceviably create a control which could execute software anywhere on the hard disk (this has already been done using both Active-X and IE under Windows 95). Thus it follows that it could determain what viewer it is being read under and execute any other attachments in the same e-mail from where the are stored (in Netscape/Outlook) which could then... Iain Collins, icollins at sol.co.uk From paulmerrill at acm.org Tue Jun 2 09:37:48 1998 From: paulmerrill at acm.org (Paul H. Merrill) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 09:37:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Counterpane Cracks MS's PPTP In-Reply-To: <002301bd8e39$c8b18880$c7f3b094@webadmin.sol.co.uk> Message-ID: <3574553D.3F0BE65A@acm.org> Iain Collins wrote: <> > I beleive that no operating system has ever been given a C2 certification, > and that only indiviual installations can be certifed. > Both Right and WrongC2 (or other) certification is given to a product system, not an OS nor an installation. NT on a specific configuration of a specific manufacturer, fo instance. (and with a specific mix of other software) The intent was to make available Commercial Off The Shelf (COTS) systems for gov purchase.) But the concept was generated in the mainframe/Mini frame of mind. > This requries that each installation be transported and conducted under > armed guard, which is case with certain US government Microsoft NT > Workstation installations. > > It is also stated (somewhere, but I don't have the details to hand) that no > C2 rated system should be plugged in to an external network connection (i.e. > the internet), and that only connections to secure LAN's/WAN's are permitted > (otherwise the C2 certification is meaningless, hence why NT Sever has never > been C2 certified IIRC). > The network issue is one with deep ramifications and not as simple as listed in the above Para. Two totally secure nets can be not secure when connected to each other because of the data interface for security levels, user permisisions etc. > I would be grateful if anyone can categorically deny or in any way support > this. > NCSC has a whole line of books on it all. Red is the Network Interpretation, Orange is the Criteria itself. > <> PHM author, NOT the Orange Book -- A Guide to the Definition, Specification, Tasking, and Documentation for the Development of Secure Computer Systems -- Including Condensations of the Memebers of the Rainbow Series and Related Documents, Merlyn Press, WPAFB, 1992 NTOB is available for those who want it. From richardt at midgard.net Tue Jun 2 14:02:09 1998 From: richardt at midgard.net (Richard Threadgill) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 14:02:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: subscribe richardt@midgard.net Message-ID: <29466.896821142@yggdrasil.midgard.net> From gwb at gwb.com.au Tue Jun 2 15:57:13 1998 From: gwb at gwb.com.au (Global Web Builders) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 15:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Pauline Hanson's speech in parliament Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980602225151.00b8d840@mail.pronet.net.au> G'day, The media are once again blatantly misrepresenting the issues that Pauline Hanson raised in parliament yesterday. We would invite you to see for yourself a verbatim transcript of what she said and view direct links to the ATSIC and UN home pages which confirm her concerns on the issues raised such as the planned "formation of independent Aboriginal states" in Australia. View: http://www.gwb.com.au/un.html Be informed! Do not believe the lies the media tell. Please print out her speech and distribute it freely. GWB Scott Balson From jtatz at chemistry.ohio-state.edu Tue Jun 2 16:10:10 1998 From: jtatz at chemistry.ohio-state.edu (Jim Tatz) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:10:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WinNT C2? In-Reply-To: <002301bd8e39$c8b18880$c7f3b094@webadmin.sol.co.uk> Message-ID: Windows NT4.0 has been tested under the red book spec published by the NCSC. That means in effect, NT is C2 compliant in a stand alone environment. Howver, NT does NOT comply with the orange book spec which defines additional requirements when the machine is used in a networked environment. It *IS* possible for an operating system that is on a networked machine to be C2(Orange Book) compliant. Microsoft has never stated that it is C2 compliant on a network, however their page about C2 and NT is poorly worded, and effectively discounts the importance of the Orange Book spec. It would be fun to get ahold of the specs from the NCSC. -Jim From caj at math.niu.edu Tue Jun 2 16:31:53 1998 From: caj at math.niu.edu (Xcott Craver) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:31:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Counterpane Cracks MS's PPTP In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980602090947.0317cc10@pop3.indusriver.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Jun 1998, Brad Kemp wrote: > It is possible to recover all the clear text from a PPTP session, > even if most of the traffic is going in one direction only. > The failure is in MPPE. When MPPE gets a sequenceing error, it > resets the key. This causes the cipher stream to be reset. It is > partially covered in section 5.4. I really think the XOR weaknesses deserve as much publicity as possible, because they are IMHO the simplest to exploit, and the result of the dumbest mistakes. So far we have three: 40-bit RC4 uses the same key with every session (!!), the client and server seems to encrypt with the same key stream going both ways (!!!), and then this resequencing attack. Are all three of these fixed? The certainly aren't "theoretical." ==- Xcott Craver -- Caj at niu.edu -- http://www.math.niu.edu/~caj/ -== "This is a different thing: it's spontaneous and it's called 'wit.'" -The Black Adder From whgiii at invweb.net Tue Jun 2 16:51:48 1998 From: whgiii at invweb.net (William H. Geiger III) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:51:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WinNT C2? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <199806022355.SAA008.18@geiger.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In , on 06/02/98 at 07:09 PM, Jim Tatz said: >Windows NT4.0 has been tested under the red book spec published by the >NCSC. That means in effect, NT is C2 compliant in a stand alone >environment. Howver, NT does NOT comply with the orange book spec which >defines additional requirements when the machine is used in a networked >environment. It *IS* possible for an operating system that is on a >networked machine to be C2(Orange Book) compliant. Microsoft has never >stated that it is C2 compliant on a network, however their page about C2 >and NT is poorly worded, and effectively discounts the importance of the >Orange Book spec. >It would be fun to get ahold of the specs from the NCSC. You have this backward, The "Red Book": NCSC-TG-005 "Trusted Network Interpretation of the Trusted Computer System Evaluation Criteria" The "Orange Book": DOD 5200.28-STD "DOD Trusted Computer System Evaluation Criteria" A NT machine to meet DOD 5200.28 C2 rating needs to be seriously crippled when comapired to normal operation. No removable media, No Modem, No Network Connection, hell pluging the dam thing and turning it on probably puts it's C2 rating in jepordy. The reason M$ downplays their C2 rating is that in average day to day use of this OS it does not meet this rating. NT has never had any RedBook rating and is not certified for use in a secure network. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 5.0 at: http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii/pgp.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- Tag-O-Matic: OS/2 means...CURTAINS for Windows! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a-sha1 Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBNXSQ/I9Co1n+aLhhAQH0/AQAmuhCSKG8mogzfbvq9x7Z90vghRWPOKzJ 4AMffpsPh4mpUnx6VHPLBksa4j3lyUh/67WwqozILzDna1fXfbYu/7eFsWltjw2n yb1YQKOIhJU+SgbO5kSfakc3oGaKAXElmHDcdTWJdl+g6PShDTM6KXRPgqcMi55I jfnqVPDKics= =CPFu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ryan at michonline.com Tue Jun 2 16:54:58 1998 From: ryan at michonline.com (Ryan Anderson) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 16:54:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WinNT C2? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 2 Jun 1998, Jim Tatz wrote: > > Windows NT4.0 has been tested under the red book spec published by the > NCSC. That means in effect, NT is C2 compliant in a stand alone > environment. Howver, NT does NOT comply with the orange book spec which > defines additional requirements when the machine is used in a networked > environment. It *IS* possible for an operating system that is on a > networked machine to be C2(Orange Book) compliant. Microsoft has never > stated that it is C2 compliant on a network, however their page about C2 > and NT is poorly worded, and effectively discounts the importance of the > Orange Book spec. > > It would be fun to get ahold of the specs from the NCSC. I believe you've got your colors backwards here.. NT is C2 compliant in standalone format, with Posix disabled. It's an unusable configuration. That's all I can remember off the top of my head though.. Ryan Anderson PGP fp: 7E 8E C6 54 96 AC D9 57 E4 F8 AE 9C 10 7E 78 C9 From jtatz at chemistry.ohio-state.edu Tue Jun 2 17:14:27 1998 From: jtatz at chemistry.ohio-state.edu (Jim Tatz) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WinNT C2? In-Reply-To: <199806022355.SAA008.18@geiger.com> Message-ID: > A NT machine to meet DOD 5200.28 C2 rating needs to be seriously crippled > when comapired to normal operation. No removable media, No Modem, No > Network Connection, hell pluging the dam thing and turning it on probably > puts it's C2 rating in jepordy. > > The reason M$ downplays their C2 rating is that in average day to day use > of this OS it does not meet this rating. > > NT has never had any RedBook rating and is not certified for use in a > secure network. In addition to the converstaion, MS says: Microsoft has opted not to include certain components of Windows NT in the evaluation process, not because they would not pass the evaluation, but to save time by reducing the load on the NSA. Additionally, the MS-DOS/Windows on Windows (WOW) system may be treated as a Win32 application and would therefore not need to be evaluated as part of the Trusted Computer Base (TCB). Networking on NT may not have to go through the "Red Book," or "Trusted Network Interpretation." It may be enough to consider networking to be another subsystem, and therefore only the Orange Book would apply. New or modified components and other hardware platforms can go through a "RAMP" process to be included in the evaluation at a later time. http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q93/3/62.asp [Isn't it great, you have to register for FREE support?] -Jim From DarkKnight at Elitehackers.org Tue Jun 2 17:42:52 1998 From: DarkKnight at Elitehackers.org (Dark Knight) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 17:42:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WinNT C2? In-Reply-To: <199806022355.SAA008.18@geiger.com> Message-ID: > > >Windows NT4.0 has been tested under the red book spec published by the > >NCSC. That means in effect, NT is C2 compliant in a stand alone > >environment. Howver, NT does NOT comply with the orange book spec which > >defines additional requirements when the machine is used in a networked > >environment. It *IS* possible for an operating system that is on a > >networked machine to be C2(Orange Book) compliant. Microsoft has never > >stated that it is C2 compliant on a network, however their page about C2 > >and NT is poorly worded, and effectively discounts the importance of the > >Orange Book spec. Do you know the Redbook specs? From my understanding of the specs to have a C2 rateing you can't have a NIC card or Disk Drive. But I think you can have a NIC card in the machine connected to a network that is enrycpted network. But I could be wrong but I don't forget most of what I read.. > > >It would be fun to get ahold of the specs from the NCSC. > > You have this backward, > > The "Red Book": NCSC-TG-005 "Trusted Network Interpretation of the Trusted > Computer System Evaluation Criteria" > The "Orange Book": DOD 5200.28-STD "DOD Trusted Computer System Evaluation > Criteria" > > A NT machine to meet DOD 5200.28 C2 rating needs to be seriously crippled > when comapired to normal operation. No removable media, No Modem, No > Network Connection, hell pluging the dam thing and turning it on probably > puts it's C2 rating in jepordy. > > The reason M$ downplays their C2 rating is that in average day to day use > of this OS it does not meet this rating. > > NT has never had any RedBook rating and is not certified for use in a > secure network. MS is haveing problems meeting the standards and they have alot of work to do on NT when it comes to Secuirty. Any was see MSN.com today? |)ark |(night DEFINITION. Windows 95: n. 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. Http://www.EliteHackers.org/DarkKnight From whgiii at invweb.net Tue Jun 2 18:22:02 1998 From: whgiii at invweb.net (William H. Geiger III) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:22:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WinNT C2? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <199806030125.UAA009.35@geiger.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In , on 06/02/98 at 08:14 PM, Jim Tatz said: >In addition to the converstaion, MS says: >Microsoft has opted not to include certain components of Windows NT in >the evaluation process, not because they would not pass the evaluation, >but to save time by reducing the load on the NSA. Additionally, the >MS-DOS/Windows on Windows (WOW) system may be treated as a Win32 >application and would therefore not need to be evaluated as part of the >Trusted Computer Base (TCB). Networking on NT may not have to go through >the "Red Book," or "Trusted Network Interpretation." It may be enough to >consider networking to be another subsystem, and therefore only the >Orange Book would apply. New or modified components and other hardware >platforms can go through a "RAMP" process to be included in the >evaluation at a later time. Good God what kind of double talk is this? It doesn't need Red Book eval. and networking can be treated as a sub-system?!? Well I guess the guys down at NSA just wrote the Red Book (which is significantly larger than the Orange Book) because they were board. I would not trust Micky$lop to tell me that the sky was blue and water was wet let alone trust them to provide *any* form of security product. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 5.0 at: http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii/pgp.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- Tag-O-Matic: Get OS/2 - the best Windows tip around! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a-sha1 Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBNXSmHI9Co1n+aLhhAQEdowP9FsXmZOEk8KMKvgVun8wbMQqIUoGjB3wj e+dXsPglA/ya2S2+/wwdQFW2UEXvqHYR4MNV8Af/jqnxQgOk//4ZJVUrf+dkd65u dOfa2eICbFyRg8OgZZgWDXFr1IvgLpcS36U0V+LyebaoyCqI/WsMnx6zcx8qEzHs iiF7kDJJPmE= =HBxD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From whgiii at invweb.net Tue Jun 2 18:46:20 1998 From: whgiii at invweb.net (William H. Geiger III) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 18:46:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WinNT C2? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <199806030150.UAA009.49@geiger.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In , on 06/02/98 at 12:35 PM, Dark Knight said: >Do you know the Redbook specs? From my understanding of the specs to >have a C2 rateing you can't have a NIC card or Disk Drive. But I think >you can have a NIC card in the machine connected to a network that is >enrycpted network. But I could be wrong but I don't forget most of what >I read.. You are making the same mistake the previous poster made on this. Orange Book == Standalone Red Book == Network The numerious criteria for the various levels of trusted systems are too numerious to list here. I *strongly* recomend obtaining copies of the Rainbow Series from the NSA (they will mail a copy for free) and studying the documentation. They are well written and easy to read (unlike many such papers which are techno-bable filled). There are aprox. 30 manuals in the Rainbow Series that cover a wide range of topics related to Trusted Systems of which the Orange Book is a small part. I doubt you could find more than 5 M$ employees that have read more than a quarter of the manuals let alone are able to implement their principals. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 5.0 at: http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii/pgp.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- Tag-O-Matic: I love running Windows! 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I *strongly* recomend obtaining copies of the > Rainbow Series from the NSA (they will mail a copy for free) and studying > the documentation. They are well written and easy to read (unlike many > such papers which are techno-bable filled). > > There are aprox. 30 manuals in the Rainbow Series that cover a wide range > of topics related to Trusted Systems of which the Orange Book is a small > part. I doubt you could find more than 5 M$ employees that have read more > than a quarter of the manuals let alone are able to implement their > principals. I had a copy but like a dumb ass I forgot them where I used to live. I don't think the NSA or DOD I think it's the NSA gives away free copys any more.. |)ark |(night DEFINITION. Windows 95: n. 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. Http://www.EliteHackers.org/DarkKnight From samantha21 at worldnet.att.net Tue Jun 2 21:53:36 1998 From: samantha21 at worldnet.att.net (samantha21 at worldnet.att.net) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 21:53:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Lunch... Message-ID: <199806030453.AAA18564@spruce.libertynet.org> The Best Adults Only Website I've Seen! This one has EVERYTHING! Take a Look CLICK ONCE From awhite at indigo.ie Tue Jun 2 22:06:40 1998 From: awhite at indigo.ie (Andrew White) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 22:06:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WinNT C2? Message-ID: <008e01bd8ead$5cdc4db0$0100007f@localhost> Versions are important, too... Quote from current Microsoft Web site... " evaluation along with the US TCSEC class C2 evaluation completed in 1995 for Windows NT 3.5 demonstrates Microsoft's commitment to building a secure operating system and continuing to provide customers with assurance of its security characteristics based on these evaluations>" NT 4.0 has never passed ANY security evaluation. NT 3.51 passed a UK one in October 1996, NT 3.5 passed C2 in 1995. Both these earlier versions are effectively unusable due to diverse and numerous bugs unrelated to security, and both the evaulations were without a network card. Later, Andrew. From jtatz at chemistry.ohio-state.edu Tue Jun 2 23:05:48 1998 From: jtatz at chemistry.ohio-state.edu (Jim Tatz) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 23:05:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: WinNT C2? - How about WinNT and some C-4? In-Reply-To: <008e01bd8ead$5cdc4db0$0100007f@localhost> Message-ID: > NT 4.0 has never passed ANY security evaluation. NT 3.51 passed a UK one in > October 1996, NT 3.5 passed C2 in > 1995. Both these earlier versions are effectively unusable due to diverse > and numerous bugs unrelated to security, > and both the evaulations were without a network card. Surprisingly enough NT4.0 has not received the C2 rating, although I could have sworn I have seen remarks about Nt4.0 and C2 certification on a Microsoft page. According to WIRED, NT 4.0 is undergoing testing, and will supposedly be certified in Oct. Apparently the gov't isn't too happy with the way MS is bluring the edges of C2 certification of their products [Which they are buying]. http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/12121.html -Jim From billp at nmol.com Tue Jun 2 23:18:02 1998 From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 23:18:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: refrigerator magnet Message-ID: <35734441.38FF@nmol.com> Monday 6/1/98 6:05 PM Masanori I put the refrigerator magnet 1945 509th COMPOSITE GROUP 1995 FIRST ATOMIC BOMBARDMENT 50th ANNIVERSARY in the mail to you today. Reason I sent the magnet is to show THAT THERE ARE SOME REALLY-SICK MINDS [see reverse side of magnet] IN POWER in the US. Just got off the phone with John Young. Governments, including Japan, TRY to mess with peoples' minds. There is a book on this. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/quicksearch-query/002-2147604-1106833 But I have a solution. I do not read e-mail. At this time. I also believe in what Kahn wrote Thursday, March 20, 1980, 09:30 David Kahn addressed Congress, the Committee on Government Operations. Kahn stated to the committee, A final benefit is that refusing to restrict cryptologic studies erects yet another rampart against the chipping away of American liberties. Is this rampart, again, worth the danger to national security? Yes, because the danger is not as acute as the N.S.A. wishes people to see it. N.S.A. wants people to think that publication of cryptologic material would slam shut its window into the Third World countries. In fact such publication has little effect ... The national security dangers are not so great as to dismantle individual freedom. For all of these reasons, then, no limitation should be placed on the study of cryptology. And beyond them all lies something more fundamental, in the end, will probably prevent any restrictions anyway. It is called the First Amendment. I thank you. I hope you see that I am using the seventh amendment. http://www.jya.com/whp052898.htm And even more adamantly I believe For what shall it profit a man if he shall gain the whole world and lose his own soul. Kahn on Codes page 172 Best regards bill From billp at nmol.com Tue Jun 2 23:20:54 1998 From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 23:20:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Dr. Abdul Qadeer [Kahn] Message-ID: <3571FB7B.7338@nmol.com> Sunday 5/31/98 6:06 PM J Orlin Grabbe Read at http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ tonight India vs. Pakistan Another Pakistan Nuke.. Dr. Abdul Qadeer Friday 5/15/1998 Albuquerque Journal, Universal Press Syndicate, Syndicated Columnist Richard Reeves writes U.S. Indignation at India�s Nuclear Testing Hypocritical London - So, India has conducted its second test of a nuclear weapon, and its third, fourth, and fist and sixth, in the past few days. That put it 1,026 tests behind the United States. ... This has been coming for a long, time - and we have been foolish or deliberately looking the wrong way for decades. Fifteen years ago, in 1983, we the Reeves family, were living in the district called E-7, the best neighborhood in Islamabad, the capital of Pakistan. (My wife was doing work involving refugee camps in the northwest of the country, across the border from the Afghan-Soviet war.) Like everyone else around there, including American diplomats, we knew why military car arrived each morning to take the fellow around the corer, Abdel Qadeer Kahn, to his office - or laboratory. Kahn was in charge of building the bomb out in the Pakistani desert at a place called Kahuta. This was the so-called �Islamic bomb� ready for use against India, which had conducted its first test in 1974. Whatever we though, Pakistanis believed nuclear weapons were essential to checkmate the change of being overwhelmed by India., their 10-time-as-big neighbor. ... Small world. See Los Angeles Times syndicated columnist Richard Reeves at http://www.jya.com/whp052898.htm John Young's voice telephone is being picked-up by his fax tonight. Let's all hope for prompt peaceful settlement of the unfortunate matter. Later bill From billp at nmol.com Tue Jun 2 23:22:58 1998 From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 23:22:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Reeves 5/15/98 conclusion Message-ID: <35720025.1B0A@nmol.com> Sunday 5/31/98 7:03 PM Orlin I erred by not transcribing Reeve's conclusion in his Friday 5/15/1998 Albuquerque Journal editorial Our policy is not stupid. It's hypocritical and delusionary, but not stupid. What was stupid was to actually believe that countries like India, Pakistan, China, and Iran and Israel, too, would act on American words and illusions rather than on their own national interests and fears. This American blunder of intelligence and intellect is not another inside-the-beltway, Ken-and-Monica joke. This is an affair of state, a failure of state. Officials should not be subpoenaed or mocked; they should resign or be fired. Let ALL hope for release of the documents requested at http://www.jya.com/whp052898.htm and peaceful settlement of another �American blunder of intelligence�. Later bill From billp at nmol.com Tue Jun 2 23:23:18 1998 From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 23:23:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: punching the Great FASCIST Satan in the nose Message-ID: <357352A0.6A81@nmol.com> Monday 6/1/98 7:16 PM John Young The SAND report you posted at http://jya.com/whpfiles.htm was a DELIBERATE attempt to send NSA a message. I had some help from Sandia classification. Bill Subject: refrigerator magnet Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 18:16:01 -0600 From: bill payne To: masanori fushimi CC: cypherpunks at toad.com, ukcrypto at maillist.ox.ac.uk Monday 6/1/98 6:05 PM Masanori I put the refrigerator magnet 1945 509th COMPOSITE GROUP 1995 FIRST ATOMIC BOMBARDMENT 50th ANNIVERSARY in the mail to you today. Reason I sent the magnet is to show THAT THERE ARE SOME REALLY-SICK MINDS [see reverse side of magnet] IN POWER in the US. Just got off the phone with John Young. Governments, including Japan, TRY to mess with peoples' minds. There is a book on this. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/quicksearch-query/002-2147604-1106833 David Felton But I have a solution. I do not read e-mail. At this time. I also believe in what Kahn wrote Thursday, March 20, 1980, 09:30 David Kahn addressed Congress, the Committee on Government Operations. Kahn stated to the committee, A final benefit is that refusing to restrict cryptologic studies erects yet another rampart against the chipping away of American liberties. Is this rampart, again, worth the danger to national security? Yes, because the danger is not as acute as the N.S.A. wishes people to see it. N.S.A. wants people to think that publication of cryptologic material would slam shut its window into the Third World countries. In fact such publication has little effect ... The national security dangers are not so great as to dismantle individual freedom. For all of these reasons, then, no limitation should be placed on the study of cryptology. And beyond them all lies something more fundamental, in the end, will probably prevent any restrictions anyway. It is called the First Amendment. I thank you. I hope you see that I am using the seventh amendment. http://www.jya.com/whp052898.htm And even more adamantly I believe For what shall it profit a man if he shall gain the whole world and lose his own soul. Kahn on Codes page 172 Best regards bill From dac at zurich.ibm.com Wed Jun 3 03:28:09 1998 From: dac at zurich.ibm.com (Marc Dacier) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 03:28:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Last Call For Participation - RAID 98 Message-ID: <9806031027.AA140462@collon.zurich.ibm.com> Last Call For Participation - RAID 98 (also available at http://www.zurich.ibm.com/~dac/RAID98) First International Workshop on the Recent Advances in Intrusion Detection September 14-15, 1998 Louvain-la-Neuve, Belgium We solicit your participation in the first International Workshop on the Recent Advances in Intrusion Detection (RAID 98). This workshop, the first in an anticipated annual series, will bring together leading figures from academia, government, and industry to talk about the current state of intrusion detection technologies and paradigms from the research and commercial perspectives. Research into and development of automated intrusion detection systems (IDS) has been under way for nearly 10 years. By now a number of systems have been deployed in the commercial or government arenas, but all are limited in what they do. At the same time, the numerous research and prototype systems developed have been more engineering than scientific efforts, with scant quantitative performance figures. As we survey the field of automated intrusion detection, we are faced with many questions: 1. What research questions have yet to be answered (or even asked) about IDS? 2. What are the open challenges, limitations, and fundamental concerns about present intrusion detection methodologies? 3. What metrics can we use to measure IDS performance and thus compare different systems and methodologies? These measurements should highlight the successes and expose the limitations of current IDS approaches. 4. What factors are inhibiting transfer of research ideas into functional deployed systems? How can those be addressed? 5. What is the role of a deployed IDS? How should or can it fit in with other security systems? 6. What are the typical IDS operating environments? What can be done to configure IDS to unique operating environments? 7. What are the challenges for IDS in very large environments, such as the Internet? 8. Is it time to contemplate IDS standards? What are the advantages and disadvantages of standardizing components of IDS? What forums (e.g., IETF, ISO) would be appropriate for pursuing such standards? 9. What are the problems of turning the results of intrusion detection tools into legally reliable evidence? What are the problems of admissibility and of courtroom presentation? We invite proposals and panels that explore these questions or any other aspect of automated intrusion detection. We especially solicit proposals and panels that address: 1. New results related to intrusion detection methodologies and technologies. 2. Innovative ways of thinking about intrusion detection; for example, the applicability of R&D in the fields of survivable and/or dependable systems, data mining, etc. 3. User experiences and lessons learned from fielded intrusion detection systems. 4. IDS for emerging computer environments (e.g., Java, CORBA, and NT). 5. Commercial intrusion detection systems. We have scheduled RAID 98 immediately before ESORICS 98, at the same time as CARDIS 98, and at the same location as both of these conferences. This provides a unique opportunity for the members of these distinct, yet related, communities to participate in all these events and meet and share ideas during joined organized external events. GENERAL CO-CHAIRS ***************** Marc Dacier (IBM Zurich Research Laboratory, Switzerland) Kathleen Jackson (Los Alamos National Laboratory, USA) PROGRAM COMMITTEE ***************** Matt Bishop (University of California at Davis, USA) Dick Brackney (National Security Agency, USA) Yves Deswarte (LAAS-CNRS & INRIA, France) Baudouin Le Charlier (Universite de Namur, Belgium) Stuart Staniford-Chen (University of California at Davis, USA) Rowena Chester (University of Tennessee, USA) Deborah Frincke (University of Idaho, USA) Tim Grance (National Institute of Standards and Technology, USA) Sokratis Katsikas (University of the Aegean, Greece) Jean-Jacques Quisquater (Universite Catholique de Louvain, Belgium) Mark Schneider (National Security Agency, USA) Marv Schaefer (Arca Systems, USA) Peter Sommer (London School of Economics & Political Science, England) Steve Smaha (Free Agent, USA) Gene Spafford (Purdue University, USA) Chris Wee (University of California at Davis, USA) Kevin Ziese (Cisco, USA) SUBMISSIONS *********** The program committee invites proposals for both technical and general interest talks and panels. Each talk or panel submission must contain: 1) A separate title page with: The type of submission (talk or panel); The title or topic; and The name(s) of the speaker or panel chair and probable panelists, with their organizational affiliation(s), telephone and FAX numbers, postal address, and Internet electronic mail address. 2) A brief biography of each participant. 3) The time desired for the talk or panel. Talk proposals must also include an abstract that is a maximum of 600 words in length. Papers are not required, but if included as an addendum, will be used as supplementary information for the evaluation of the talk proposal. The program committee will allocate each accepted presenter either a 15 or 30-minute slot for the talk, based on the complexity and interest of the proposed topic and the wishes of the speaker. The presenter will be informed the slot length when notified of acceptance. Panel proposals must also include a description that is a maximum of 300 words, the format of the presentation, and short rationale for the panel. The program committee will allocate accepted panel sessions one to two-hour time slots, based on the complexity and interest of the proposed topic, the number of panelists, and the wishes of the panel chair. The panel chair will be informed the slot length when notified of acceptance. All proposals must be in English. Plan to give all panels and talks in English. We must receive all proposals before June 15, 1998. We strongly prefer they be submitted by e-mail to raid98 at zurich.ibm.com. Various formats (ASCII, postscript, Word, WordPro, Framemaker, and LaTex) are acceptable. If necessary, hardcopy proposals may be sent to: Marc Dacier Global Security Analysis Lab IBM Zurich Research Laboratory Saeumerstrasse 4 CH-8803 Rueschlikon Switzerland Each submission will be acknowledged by e-mail. If acknowledgment is not received within seven days, please contact the one of the General Co-Chairs. A preliminary program will be available at the RAID web site (http://www.zurich.ibm.com/~dac/RAID98) by August 1, 1998. CORPORATE SPONSORS ****************** We solicit interested organizations to contribute to student travel expenses for RAID 98. Corporate sponsorship will cost 2500 US$, and will entitle the organization to four general attendance workshop passes. Please contact a General Co-Chair for more information. REGISTRATION ************ Registration will open on 1 August 1998, at which point detailed registration information (including a list of recommended hotels) will be provided at the RAID 98 web site (http://www.zurich.ibm.com/~dac/RAID98). Travel instructions to Louvain-la-Neuve are available at http://www.dice.ucl.ac.be/crypto/acces-lln.html (courtesy of the UCL Crypto Group). Registration will close on 21 August 1998. Late registration will continue until 4 September 1998, but only on a space-available basis, and will include a penalty of 50 US$ (in addition to the fees specified below). Fees will be levied on a sliding scale, as follows: Student: $200 Speaker or Panel Member: 250 US$ General attendance: 350 US$ This fee will include workshop sessions, banquet, hosted reception, luncheons, light breakfast service, and coffee and refreshment breaks. There will be no special rate for one-day or other limited attendance. Payment in full will be required at registration. We are negotiating a registration discount for those attending both the ESORICS conference and the RAID or CARDIS workshops, and for interchangeable workshop registration. Further information will be available when detailed registration information is posted. PROCEEDINGS *********** On-line workshop proceedings will be posted on the RAID web site (http://www.zurich.ibm.com/~dac/RAID98) immediately following the workshop. It will include: 1) The final program; 2) A list of corporate sponsors; 3) A list of attendees (subject to each attendee's approval); 4) The submitted abstract and slides used by each speaker; 5) The submitted description and rationale for each panel; 6) The slides used by each panelist; and, 7) Written position statements from each panelist. In addition, the most outstanding workshop participants will be invited to submit an analogous formal paper to a special RAID edition of the refereed journal "Computer Networks and ISDN Systems." IMPORTANT DATES *************** Deadline for submission: 15 June 1998 Registration opens: 1 August 1998 Notification of proposal acceptance or rejection: 1 August 1998 Preliminary program posted to web: 1 August 1998 Registration closes: 21 August 1998 Late registration closes: 4 September 1998 Workshop: 14-15 September 1998 MORE INFORMATION **************** For further information contact one of the General Co-chairs: Marc Dacier IBM Zurich Research Laboratory Switzerland E-mail: dac at zurich.ibm.com Tel.: +41-1-724-85-62 Fax.: +41-1-724-89-53 Kathleen Jackson Los Alamos National Laboratory USA E-mail: kaj at lanl.gov Tel.: +41-1-724-86-29 Fax.: +41-1-724-89-53 The RAID 98 web site: http://www.zurich.ibm.com/~dac/RAID98, The ESORICS 98 web site: http://www.dice.ucl.ac.be/esorics98. 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PLEASE NOTE: WE ARE CURRENTLY BUYING HP-SERIES 5L - 5P - AND 4000 CARTRIDGES ALL LEXMARK OPTRA CARTRIDGES CANON PC COPIER CARTRIDGES NOTE: THESE ARE THE ONLY CARTRIDGES CURRENTLY INCLUDED IN OUR BUY BACK PROGRAM TO ARRANGE CARTRIDGE PICKUP CALL CUSTOMER SERVICE (770)399-5505 From Quisquater at dice.ucl.ac.be Wed Jun 3 06:15:02 1998 From: Quisquater at dice.ucl.ac.be (Jean-Jacques Quisquater) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 06:15:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: CARDIS 98: smart card research Message-ID: <199806031314.PAA10742@ns1.dice.ucl.ac.be> CARDIS Conference Announcement Final Call for Papers and Panels ------------------------------------------------------------- THIRD SMART CARD RESEARCH AND ADVANCED APPLICATION CONFERENCE SEPTEMBER 14-16, 1998 UCL, LOUVAIN-LA-NEUVE, BELGIUM ------------------------------------------------------------ Aims and Goals Smart cards, or IC cards, offer a huge potential for information processing purposes. The portability and processing power of IC cards allow for highly secure conditional access and reliable distributed information systems. There are IC cards available that can perform highly sophisticated cryptographic computations. The applicability of IC cards is currently limited mainly by our imagination; the information processing power that can be gained by using IC cards remains as yet mostly untapped and is not well understood. Here lies a vast uncovered research area which we are only beginning to assess, and which will have a great impact on the eventual success of the technology. The research challenges range from electrical engineering on the hardware side to tailor-made cryptographic applications on the software side, and their synergies. Many currently existing events are mainly devoted to commercial and application aspects of IC cards. In contrast, the CARDIS conferences aim to bring together researchers who are active in all aspects of the design of IC cards and related devices and environments, such as to stimulate synergy between different research communities and to offer a platform for presenting the latest research advances. CARDIS 1994, sponsored by the International Federation for Information Processing (IFIP), held in November 1994 in Lille, France, successfully brought together representatives from leading IC research centers from all over the world. CARDIS 1996 was the second occasion for the IC card community in this permanent activity. CARDIS 1996 was organized jointly by the Centre for Mathematics and Computer Science at Amsterdam (CWI) and the Department of Logic and Computer Science of the University of Amsterdam (UvA). Organization General Chair Catherine Rouyer (UCL, Louvain-la-Neuve, Belgium) Program Chairs Jean-Jacques Quisquater (UCL, Louvain-la-Neuve, Belgium) Bruce Schneier (Counterpane, USA) Program Committee (in construction) William Caelli (QUT, Brisbane, Australia) Vincent Cordonnier (R2DP, Lille, France) David Chan (HP Labs, Bristol, UK) Jean-Fran�ois Dhem (Belgacom, Belgium) J. Eloff (RAU, South Africa) Marc Girault (CNET, France) Louis Guillou (CNET, France) Pieter Hartel (Southampton, UK and Amsterdam, The Netherlands) Peter Honeyman (Michigan U., USA) Pierre Paradinas (Gemplus, France) Qiang (Acad. Sciences, Beijing, China) Michel Ugon (Bull CP-8, France) Doug Tygar (Carnegie-Mellon Univ., USA) Anthony Watson (ECU, Perth, Australia) Wijang Zhang (Shangai, China) Steering Committee Chair Vincent Cordonnier (Rd2p, Lille, France) Local Organization Catherine Rouyer (UCL) Benoit Macq (UCL) SUBMISSIONS Submissions will be judged on relevance, originality, significance, correctness, and clarity. Each paper should explain its contribution in both general and technical terms, identifying what has been accomplished, saying why it is significant, and comparing it with previous work. Authors should make every effort to make the technical content of their papers understandable to a broad audience. Papers should be written in English. Working papers, research in progress are welcome. Authors should submit: an extended abstract (more or less 5 pages) either by email to jjq at dice.ucl.ac.be (we prefer the electronic submission) using one of the following formats: postscript, rtf, latex or word 6. or send 12 copies of the paper to Jean-Jacques Quisquater UCL/DICE Place du Levant, 3 B-1348 Louvain-la-Neuve Belgium The paper should be formatted using the LNCS format from Springer-Verlag, if possible. In any case, each paper should be accompanied by information submitted via email to jjq at dice.ucl.ac.be that consists of: * a single postal address and electronic mail address for communication * complete title, author and affiliation information * the abstract of the paper * a small selection of the keywords that appear on this call for papers, which best describes the contribution of the paper Preproceedings will be available at the conference. It is intended to publish the proceedings in the Springer-Verlag LNCS series. Authors of accepted papers may be expected to sign a copyright release form. IMPORTANT DATES Submission deadline June 15, 1998 Acceptance notification July 15, 1998 Camera ready paper due Augustus 15, 1998 Conference September 14-16 1998 THEMES Technology/hardware IC architecture and techniques Memories and processor design Read/Write unit engineering Specific co-processors for cryptography Biometry Communication technologies Interfaces with the user, the service suppliers Reliability and fault tolerance Special devices Standards Software The operating system, Java, ... Models of data management Communication protocols IC Card design Tools for internal or external software production Validation and verification Methodology for application design Electronic payment systems Road pricing Internet payment systems Untraceability Algorithms Formal specification and validation Identification Authentication Cryptographic protocols for IC cards Complexity Security Models and schemes of security Security interfaces Hardware and software implementation Security of information systems including cards Formal verification of transaction sets Protocol verification IC Cards, individuals and the society IC cards and privacy Owner access of data IC cards: political and economical aspects Is the IC card going to change legislation? Patents, copyrights Future of IC cards Innovative technologies Moving towards the pocket intelligence Convergence with portable PCs, lap tops etc ... PCMCIA Innovative applications Design methodology of applications IC cards and the information system Examples of new applications Requirements for innovative cards Standards Emerging standards Compliance and approval From jya at pipeline.com Wed Jun 3 08:47:39 1998 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 08:47:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: DNA sequencing info needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <199806031547.LAA04781@dewdrop2.mindspring.com> It's now a cliche of bio-terrorism bellringers that "this stuff scares me silly," with scientists, pols and first responders now comically repeating the code. A technological artist on Long Island has set up in his studio a collection of the most deadly germs known on earth, in a small glass display, with labels and descriptions of what they are and can do: dosages, kill ratios, distribution methods, sources of specimens and food supplies, URLs for bio-terrorists. He invites art connoisseurs to visit. They walk around the room looking for the show, see little except typical suburban living room furniture, then spy the glass tank, approach, read, freeze, then begin to tremble. Some scream, some faint, some vomit in horror, claw clothing, stampede for the exit. The artist tries to reassure them it's only a carefully constructed simulation. None believe him. They shiver outside in the yard and whimper accusations of terrorism, which, he confesses, is the truth of bio-terrorism, to scare sane people silly. From jimd at starshine.org Wed Jun 3 09:03:50 1998 From: jimd at starshine.org (Jim Dennis) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:03:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: subscribe richardt@midgard.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <199806031452.HAA08039@canopus.starshine.org> Hey Richard, I think you may have sent this the wrong way. You may want to resend it. Here's a summary of the headers as I recieved them: From: Richard Threadgill Subject: subscribe richardt at midgard.net To: cypherpunks-announce at toad.com Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 13:59:02 -0700 Message-Id: <29466.896821142 at yggdrasil.midgard.net> -- Jim Dennis (800) 938-4078 consulting at starshine.org Proprietor, Starshine Technical Services: http://www.starshine.org From billp at nmol.com Wed Jun 3 10:03:17 1998 From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 10:03:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: My knowledge of NSA 'deficient' crypto algorithms Message-ID: <3575813B.4DBE@nmol.com> Wednesday 6/3/98 10:55 AM jensul So as not to misspell J[G]en[n]ifer. You might be interested to look at the University of Southern California home page on the gfsr. My co-author Lewis was one of my former ms and phd students. NSA's crypto algorithms are okay - for hardware implementation - but are classified, in my opinion, to possibly hide embarrassment. Some of us at Sandia offered to help NSA fix its 'deficient' crypto algorithms. For money, of course. It is EASY to make a BLUNDER in crypto. For theoretical or implementation reasons. NSA knows this too. And is pretty cautious about what it does. I partially read another crypto-related article at http://www.news.com/News/Item/0%2C4%2C22705%2C00.html?st.ne.fd.gif.j Best bill Subject: Marc Dacier Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 07:34:04 -0600 From: bill payne To: jy at jya.com CC: dac at zurich.ibm.com, kaj at lanl.gov Wednesday 6/3/98 7:25 AM John Young I looked at http://www.zurich.ibm.com/~dac/RAID98 I was in Marc Dacier's (IBM Zurich Research Laboratory, Switzerland) office last April in Zurich. Dacier was quizzing me about what the US was concerned about, secuity-wise, inside weapons systems. Spiking, of course. And it was so nice to learn only yesterday that USC has a home page something I thought-up. http://www-hto.usc.edu/software/seqaln/doc/html/gfsr.3.html I SURE UNDERSTOOD the algorithms behind the NSA KG schematics Brian Snow showed me. Let's continue to hope for prompt settlement of the unfortunate matter BEFORE things get WORSE. And we can all get onto better and hopefully less destructive, http://www.aci.net/kalliste/, endeavors. Later bill From SMODeLUX at aol.com Wed Jun 3 14:12:31 1998 From: SMODeLUX at aol.com (SMODeLUX at aol.com) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:12:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [E-WRESTLING] New fed that's superior to all others ... Message-ID: <4abf174c.3575b995@aol.com> b r u t e f o r c e w r e s t l i n g . ............................................................ 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We'll give magazines instead of updates, updates usually just have the same stuff anyway. In fact, I always skip to the rankings when I read an update. We'll show you a good product with our magazine. In-depth articles, and must-read writing. Do you think you're up for it? If so, fill out this application form, but remember, we can only fit 20 singles wrestler's and 10 tags on our roster. But beware... those who enter shall never leave... for they will be engulfed in fun and excitement, and they'll never even shed the thought of leaving! Thanks, Sean and Chris -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- BFW ROLEPLAYING: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- BFW is a booked wrestling league, meaning that you roleplay to win matches. We do not use TNM, WLS, or any other simulator. All matches are hand written for the most exciting action anywhere. The only rule for roleplaying is that you must do it often. If you don't roleplay for a month, you're history. 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We may also just kick you out of the fed completely. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- BFW SPECIFICS: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Headquarters: BFW Arena in Salt Lake City, Utah Cards: House shows (Quick Result Report sent out weekly) Tuesday's televised show, BFW Tuesday Tap-Out Friday's televised show, BFW Friday Fright Night Monthly Pay-Per-View events Titles: BFW World Heavy-Weight Champion BFW World Tag Team Champions BFW Network Champion -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- BFW APPLICATION -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ======================== YOUR INFORMATION: Hey, we can get to know ya. ======================== YOUR NAME - YOUR AGE - (optional) ======================== WRESTLER'S INFORMATION: Duh! ======================== WRESTLER'S NAME - ALLIGNMENT - (heel/face/neutral) WRESTLER'S HEIGHT - (nothing above 7", please) WRESTLER'S WEIGHT - (nothing extraordinary here, either) WRESTLER'S LOOKS - (breif description here. Add in attire) WRESTLER'S HISTORY - (Who, what, where, why, when?) TWENTY MOVES YOUR WRESTLER APPLIES - YOUR WRESTLER'S FINISHING MANEUVER - DESCRIBE IT - (it doesn't have to be TOO complex) YOUR WRESTLER'S MANAGER - (optional) YOUR WRESTLER'S THEME MUSIC - (nothing other than music done by real musicians, no real wrestler music) ======================== TAG TEAM INFORMATION (Optional) ======================== NAME OF TAG TEAM - WHO DOES HE TAG WITH? - TAG TEAM FINISHER - DESCRIBE IT - From az096 at freenet.toronto.on.ca Wed Jun 3 14:53:56 1998 From: az096 at freenet.toronto.on.ca (Robert Guerra) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 14:53:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: PGP Keysigning Announcement page In-Reply-To: <199806021710.NAA28763@shell1.interlog.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I would like to know if you could include a link the following www address which I have setup in the PGP FAQ that you maintain. If you place a link to the page on your www page...please let me know so that I can place a reciprocal link. - --- In an attempt to encourage PGP keysigning parties I have created a PGP Keysigning Announcement page. (http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/3378/pgpparty.html) It is my hope that with time it will be a place where PGP users can know when & where the next keysigning session (in thier area) will be held. If you know of a keysigning party that is held anywhere please let me know so that I can list it. (any other comments or suggestions also welcome) regards robert -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Business Security 5.5.3 Comment: Digital signatures verify author and unaltered content iQEVAwUBNXVj2Is5aKqJYZvFAQF+Wwf9HPcukFKiYhFYN5h8dIFNApF8/+89kudu NWKWLy5WEEDvcK12Unf0i9Ihwch8a5hANb3oP5R57hNttUUJa+7Lb4O5pg/D52XM 7aHu+JHW/4ZCVhGUAqBvuV+rJkRZJgvCe1vGC3JsB6V3vBm+pNEmyz5C9w7R00nW 7dTG4wXlzxda8fIPbcdOC8iZYR3j2YeEiQvuV5gktsx0VIk9ZLn1Pz4TqNQCTUmW qyVTZz5LV6EKsjr2/SM1OLIJkjNZyCYMqQZ3Bt/ZPMXKuaYmhcTyYOXggEuU2r9W 4mITGDuHItyUwV45lJUBCzZYYowSNBABOXGJ4fwkpKRKWo1Uuw0vZg== =EmIr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Robert Guerra - Email-> mailto:az096 at freenet.toronto.on.ca ICQ #10266626 Home Page-> http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/3378 PGPKeys available on WWW Page & via finger://rguerra at flare.dynip.com From roy26 at prodigy.com Wed Jun 3 17:41:19 1998 From: roy26 at prodigy.com (roy26 at prodigy.com) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:41:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Awesome! Message-ID: <199805190417.AAA07146@rly-zb04.mx.aol.com> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ This is intended for adults. If you are under 18, or viewing these materials is illegal where you live, please delete this now. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ AWESOME! http://www.pornsitez.com/hardcore/xxxmovies/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From dorisaw at idt.net Thu Jun 4 12:14:22 1998 From: dorisaw at idt.net (Doris Woods) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:14:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Kirtland Air Force Base In-Reply-To: <199806012257.RAA019.42@geiger.com> Message-ID: <3576F1BE.BA662E1B@idt.net> William H. Geiger III wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > In <35732427.ECA43EB9 at idt.net>, on 06/01/98 > at 05:59 PM, Doris Woods said: > > >Hi all, > > >bill payne wrote: > >> > >> Saturday 5/30/98 5:15 PM > > >> Masanori, the book Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb by Gar Alperovitz > >> presents fairly good evidence some in US government nuked Hiroshima and > >> Nagasaki merely to impress the Russians. > >> > > >Carroll Quigley said in Tragedy and Hope... they were worried the war > >would be over with before they got their chance to use it! > > Was this before or after they estimated that it would cost upwards of 1 > Million lives to take the Japan mainland by conventional forces? > > - -- Well... a Leo Szilard web site ( How do you say it? Say sil'-ahrd.) has an article where he is interviewed titled _Leo Szilard, Interview: President Truman Did Not Understand_ http://www.peak.org/~danneng/decision/usnews.html "After all, Japan was suing for peace." "Today I would say that the confusion arose from considering the fake alternatives of either having to invade Japan or of having to use the bomb against her cities." I admit I only followed a link from Home Page of J. Orlin Grabbe titled... _Target Committee Meeting, Los Alamos, May 10-11, 1945_ to get to that particular story. Of more particular interest to myself is the shipment of 65% uranium oxide, sent from the Belgian Congo, in 1939-40. 1250 tons were sent to Staten Island, NY, by Edward Sengier of Union Miniere, to prevent the Axis powers from obtaining it. p 852. It is a _good_ book. I enjoyed it. Doris Woods From sprokkit at hotmail.com Thu Jun 4 12:36:43 1998 From: sprokkit at hotmail.com (Sprokkit Amhal) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 12:36:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: anonymous mailboxes Message-ID: <19980604193606.27765.qmail@hotmail.com> Some time ago I heard about Lucky Green's then-immature scheme for anonymous email boxes, whereby a user can receive email and even a traffic analysis attacker is unable to glean information about who received what when. I forget exactly what ve called vis method... Is there a paper available anyplace? Has the scheme been validated mathematically? Has it been implemented? ::sprokkit:: ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From shamrock at cypherpunks.to Thu Jun 4 14:10:55 1998 From: shamrock at cypherpunks.to (Lucky Green) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:10:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: anonymous mailboxes In-Reply-To: <19980604193606.27765.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: It was not my scheme. I simply gave a presentation at HIP of a system that was designed by a person wishing to remain anonymous. Much of the design has changed since. I am not at liberty to discuss futher details. The original presentation in MS PowerPoint format is still sitting at http://www.cypherpunks.to/~shamrock/anonmail.ppt I have no plans to update or convert this particular presentation. On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Sprokkit Amhal wrote: > Some time ago I heard about Lucky Green's then-immature scheme for > anonymous email boxes, whereby a user can receive email and even a > traffic analysis attacker is unable to glean information about who > received what when. I forget exactly what ve called vis method... > > > > > Is there a paper available anyplace? > > Has the scheme been validated mathematically? > > Has it been implemented? > > > > > ::sprokkit:: > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > -- Lucky Green PGP v5 encrypted email preferred. "Tonga? Where the hell is Tonga? They have Cypherpunks there?" From jya at pipeline.com Thu Jun 4 14:12:59 1998 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 14:12:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: NIST Publishes Draft FIPS for FKMI Message-ID: <199806042112.RAA12886@camel14.mindspring.com> The NIST Technical Advisory Committee has published its final draft for a FIPS for the Federal Key Management Infrastructure and a letter from the chairman to the Secretary of Commerce on the completion of the task in preparation for the final meeting of the committee June 17-19: http://csrc.nist.gov/tacdfipsfkmi/ under the "June 1998" section We offer mirrors of the drafts: http://jya.com/nist-fkmi.htm (chairman's letter) http://jya.com/FIPS698.txt (the FIPS, 222K) From bill.stewart at pobox.com Thu Jun 4 19:10:35 1998 From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 19:10:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Spamford's new business venture Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980604155141.008fc6f0@popd.ix.netcom.com> Seems Spamford has found yet another way to Make M0ney 0n the Net - as an expert witness for people suing spammers. The paper said he'll be working for the law firm that nailed him with a $2M case earlier this year. Sigh..... Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart at pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639 From maxinux at khercs.dyn.ml.org Thu Jun 4 19:25:01 1998 From: maxinux at khercs.dyn.ml.org (Max Inux) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 19:25:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Meetings and PGP 6.0 Message-ID: Now that Network General and Network Associates (McAfee) have merged (business wise aswell as buildings), I was wondering where the CypherPunks meetings are going to be at the old netgen building or the new (BIG) Network Associates (netass.com) building? And is it still gonna be at 12 on the second saturday of the month? (seeing as this saturday(first) is the NAI company picnic). And, has anyone here played with PGP 6.0 (still in developement). I hope they do more changes in the final, Photo ID's and the misc other changes. Thanks, Billy -- Max Inux (MaxInux at bigfoot.com) UIN: 207447, http://khercs.dyn.ml.org Strong Cryptography makes the world a safer place- PGP: 0x5CCFCA59 Or Kinky sex makes the world go round- Christie: Your in my sig too ^^ If Cryptography is outlawed, only outlaws will have cryptography ^^ From jf_avon at citenet.net Thu Jun 4 22:28:27 1998 From: jf_avon at citenet.net (Jean-Francois Avon) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 22:28:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fwd: NEWS - NRA Charles Heston speech Message-ID: <199806050537.BAA14762@cti06.citenet.net> ==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== >Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 09:50:22 +0930 >From: SSAA >Subject: NEWS - NRA Charles Heston speech >Organization: Sporting Shooters Association of Australia Speech by National Rifle Association First Vice President Charlton Heston Delivered at the Free Congress Foundation's 20th Anniversary Gala December 7, 1997 I like it when the party of Lincoln honors our free heritage. This nation has been blessed by the minds and mettle of many good people, and indeed Abe was among the best. A man of great moral character... a trait often lacking among our leaders. This is disturbing, but not without remedy. One good election can correct such ills. Above all, I hope those of us gathered here tonight have more in common with Mr. Lincoln than just party affiliation. Better that we grasp a common vision than simply wear the cloak. Even our President pretends to be a conservative when it suits him. We must be more than that. I know, I know... it is not easy. Imagine being point man for the National Rifle Association, preserving the right to keep and bear arms. Well, I ran for office, I was elected, and now I serve... as a moving target for pundits who've called me everything from "ridiculous" and "duped" to a "brain-injured, senile, crazy old man." Well, I guess that goes with the territory. But as I've stood in the cross hairs of those who aim at Second Amendment freedom, I've realized that guns are not the only issue, and I am not the only target. It is much, much bigger than that which is what I want to talk to you about. I have come to realize that a cultural war is raging across our land... storming our values, assaulting our freedoms, killing our self-confidence in who we are and what we believe, where we come from. How many of you here own a gun? A show of hands? How many own two or more guns? Thank you. I wonder how many of you in this room own guns but chose not to raise your hand? How many of you considered revealing your conviction about a constitutional right, but then thought better of it? Then you are a victim of the cultural war. You are a casualty of the cultural warfare being waged against traditional American freedom of beliefs and ideas. Now maybe you don't care one way or the other about owning a gun. But I could've asked for a show of hands on Pentecostal Christians, or pro-lifers, or right-to-workers, or Promise Keepers, or school voucher-ers, and the result would be the same. What if the same question were asked at your PTA meeting? Would you raise your hand if Dan Rather were in the back of the room there with a film crew? See? Good. Still, if you didn't, you have been assaulted and robbed of the courage of your convictions. Your pride in who you are, and what you believe, has been ridiculed, ransacked, plundered. It may be a war without bullet or bloodshed, but with just as much liberty lost: You and your country are less free. And you are not inconsequential people! You in this room, whom many would say are among the most powerful people on earth, you are shamed into silence! Because you embrace a view at odds with the cultural warlords. If that is the outcome of cultural war, and you are the victims, I can only ask the gravely obvious question: What'll become of the right itself? Or other rights not deemed acceptable by the thought police? What other truth in your heart will you disavow with your hand? I remember when European Jews feared to admit their faith. The Nazis forced them to wear six-pointed yellow stars sewn on their chests as identity badges. It worked. So what color star will they pin on our coats? How will the self- styled elite tag us? There may not be a Gestapo officer on every street corner yet, but the influence on our culture is just as pervasive. Now, I am not really here to talk about the Second Amendment or the NRA, but the gun issue clearly brings into focus the war that's going on. Rank-and-file Americans wake up every morning, increasingly bewildered and confused at why their views make them lesser citizens. After enough breakfast- table TV promos hyping tattooed sex-slaves on the next Rikki Lake show, enough gun-glutted movies and tabloid talk shows, enough revisionist history books and prime-time ridicule of religion, enough of the TV anchor who cocks her pretty head, clucks her tongue and sighs about guns causing crime and finally the message gets through: Heaven help the God-fearing, law-abiding, Caucasian, middle class, Protestant, or even worse Evangelical Christian, Midwest, or Southern, or even worse rural, apparently straight, or even worse admittedly heterosexual, gun-owning or even worse NRA-card-carrying, average working stiff, or even worse male working stiff, because not only don't you count, you're a downright obstacle to social progress. Your tax dollars may be just as delightfully green as you hand them over, but your voice requires a lower decibel level, your opinion is less enlightened, your media access is insignificant, and frankly mister, you need to wake up, wise up and learn a little something about your new America...in fact, why don't you just sit down and shut up? That's why you don't raise your hand. That's how cultural war works. And you are losing. That's what happens when a generation of media, educators, entertainers and politicians, led by a willing president, decide the America they were born into isn't good enough any more. So they contrive to change it through the cultural warfare of class distinction. Ask the Romans if powerful nations have ever fallen as a result of cultural division. There are ruins around the world that were once the smug centers of small-minded, arrogant elitism. It appears that rather than evaporate in the flash of a split atom, we may succumb to a divided culture. Although my years are long, I was not on hand to help pen the Bill of Rights. And popular assumptions aside, the same goes for the Ten Commandments. Yet as an American and as a man who believes in God's almighty power, I treasure both. The Constitution was handed down to guide us by a bunch of those wise old dead white guys who invented this country. Now, some flinch when I say that. Why? It's true...they were white guys. So were most of the guys who died in Lincoln's name opposing slavery in the 1860s. So why should I be ashamed of white guys? Why is "Hispanic pride" or "black pride" a good thing, while "white pride" conjures up shaved heads and white hoods? Why was the Million Man March on Washington celebrated in the media as progress, while the Promise Keepers March on Washington was greeted with suspicion and ridicule? I'll tell you why: Cultural warfare. Now, Chuck Heston can get away with saying I'm proud of those wise old dead white guys because Jesse Jackson and Louie Farrakhan know I fought in their cultural war. I was one of the first white soldiers in the civil rights movement in 1961, long before it was fashionable in Hollywood believe me or in Washington for that matter. In 1963 I marched on Washington with Dr. Martin Luther King to uphold the Bill of Rights. I'm very proud of that. As vice- president of the NRA I am doing the same thing. But you don't see many other Hollywood luminaries speaking out on this one, do you? It's not because there aren't any. It's because they can't afford the heat. They dare not speak up for fear of CNN or the IRS or SAG or the ATF or NBC or even W-J-C. It saps the strength of our country when the personal price is simply too high to stand up for what you believe in. Today, speaking with the courage of your conviction can be so costly, the price of principle so high, that legislators won't lead so citizens can't follow, and so there is no army to fight back. That's cultural warfare. For instance: It's plain that our Constitution guarantees law-abiding citizens the right to own a firearm. But if I stand up and say so, why does the media assault me with such a slashing, sinister brand of derision filled with hate? Because Bill Clinton's cultural warriors want a penitent cleansing of firearms, as if millions of lawful gun owners should genuflect in shame and seek absolution by surrendering their guns. That's what is now literally happening in England and Australia, of course. Lines long lines of submissive citizens, threatened with imprisonment, are bitterly, reluctantly surrendering family heirlooms, guns that won their freedom, to the blast furnace. If that fact doesn't unsettle you, then you are already anesthetized, a ready victim of the cultural war. You know, I think, that I stand first in line in defense of free speech. But those who speak against the perverted and profane should be given as much due as those who profit by it. You also know I welcome cultural diversity. But those who choose to live on the fringe should not tear apart the seams that secure the fabric of our society. Now I've earned a fine and rewarding living in the motion picture industry, yet increasingly I find myself embarrassed by the dearth of conscience that drives the world's most influential art form. And I'm an example of what a lonely undertaking that can be. Nobody opposed the obscene rapper Ice-T until I stood at Time-Warner's stockholders meeting and was ridiculed by its president for wanting to take the floor to read Ice-T's lyrics. Since I held several hundred shares of stock he had no choice, though the media were barred. I read those lyrics to a stunned audience of average American people the stockholders who were shocked at the lyrics that advocating killing cops, sexually abusing women, and raping the nieces of our Vice-President. True, the good guys won that time though: Time-Warner fired Ice-T. The gay and lesbian movement is another good example. Many homosexuals are hugely talented artists and executives... also dear friends. I don't despise their lifestyle, though I don't share it. As long as gay and lesbian Americans are as productive, law-abiding and private as the rest of us, I think America owes them absolute tolerance. It's the right thing to do. But on the other hand, I find my blood pressure rising when Clinton's cultural shock troops participate in homosexual-rights fund-raisers but boycott gun- rights fund-raisers... and then claim it's time to place homosexual men in tents with Boy Scouts, and suggest that sperm donor babies born into lesbian relationships are somehow better served and more loved. Such demands have nothing to do with equality. They're about the currency of cultural war money and votes and the Clinton camp will let anyone in the tent if there's a donkey on his hat, or a check in the mail or some yen in the fortune cookie. Mainstream America is depending on you counting on you to draw your sword and fight for them. These people have precious little time or resources to battle misguided Cinderella attitudes, the fringe propaganda of the homosexual coalition, the feminists who preach that it's a divine duty for women to hate men, blacks who raise a militant fist with one hand while they seek preference with the other, and all the New-Age apologists for juvenile crime, who see roving gangs as a means of youthful expression, sex as a means of adolescent merchandising, violence as a form of entertainment for impressionable minds, and gun bans as a means to lord-knows-what. We've reached that point in time when our national social policy originates on Oprah. I say it's time to pull the plug. Americans should not have to go to war every morning for their values. They already go to war for their families. They fight to hold down a job, raise responsible kids, make their payments, keep gas in the car, put food on the table and clothes on their backs, and still save a little for their final days in dignity. They prefer the America they built - where you could pray without feeling naive, love without being kinky, sing without profanity, be white without feeling guilty, own a gun without shame, and raise your hand without apology. They are the critical masses who find themselves under siege and are long for you to get some guts, stand on principle and lead them to victory in this cultural war. Now all this sounds a little Mosaic, the punch-line of my sermon is as elementary as the Golden Rule. In a cultural war, triumph belongs to those who arm themselves with pride in who they are and then do the right thing. Not the most expedient thing, not the politically correct thing, not what'll sell, but the right thing. And you know what? Everybody already knows what the right thing is. You, and I, President Clinton, even Ice-T, we all know. It's easy. You say wait a minute, you take a long look in the mirror, then into the eyes of your kids, your grandchildren, and you'll know what's right. Don't run for cover when the cultural cannons roar. Remember who you are and what you believe, and then raise your hand, stand up, and speak out. Don't be shamed or startled into lockstep conformity by seemingly powerful people. The maintenance of a free nation is a long, slow, steady process. And it is in your hands. Yes, we can have rules and still have rebels that's democracy. But as leaders you must we must do as Lincoln would do, confronted with the stench of cultural war: Do what's right. As Mr. Lincoln said, "With firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right, let us finish the work we are in... and then we shall save our country." Defeat the criminals and their apologists, oust the biased and bigoted, endure the undisciplined and unprincipled, but disavow the self-appointed social engineers whose relentless arrogance fuels this vicious war against so much we hold so dear. Do not yield, do not divide, do not call a truce. Be fair, but fight back. It's the same blueprint our founding fathers left to guide us. Our enemies see it as the senile prattle of an archaic society. I still honor it as the United States Constitution, and that timeless document we call the Bill of Rights. Freedom is our fortune and honor is our saving grace. Thank you. ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== Jean-Francois Avon, B.Sc. Physics, Montreal, Canada JFA Technologies, R&D physicists & engineers Instrumentation & control, LabView programming. PGP keys: http://bs.mit.edu:8001/pks-toplev.html PGP ID:C58ADD0D:529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891 PGP ID:5B51964D:152ACCBCD4A481B0 254011193237822C From StanSqncrs at aol.com Thu Jun 4 23:23:39 1998 From: StanSqncrs at aol.com (StanSqncrs at aol.com) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 1998 23:23:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: NEWS - NRA Charles Heston speech Message-ID: <93c4594e.35778eca@aol.com> McVeigh is alot better than Heston (at lying-type propaganda. I couldn't even call McVeigh's "lying-type." It was filled with MUCH more fact than Heston's speech.) The glaring over-all problem I see with his speech, is his hypocracy when it comes to the 1st amendment (yea, I know he *claimed* to be a 1st amendments rights supporter, BUT his actions (the rest of the speech) counters that claim.) Here's why they want to remove our freedom of speech. It's because - dig this Cypherpunks - 'The pen is mightier than the sword.' If they take away our ability to speak, and they keep their silly guns, guess what. Then they have the more powerful weapon. And dig this - yes it IS that simple. Stan From bill.stewart at pobox.com Fri Jun 5 02:48:16 1998 From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 02:48:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Meetings and PGP 6.0 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980605022508.00952530@popd.ix.netcom.com> At 08:25 PM 6/4/98 -0700, Max Inux wrote: >Now that Network General and Network Associates (McAfee) have merged >(business wise aswell as buildings), I was wondering where the CypherPunks >meetings are going to be at the old netgen building or the new (BIG) >Network Associates (netass.com) building? And is it still gonna be at 12 >on the second saturday of the month? (seeing as this saturday(first) is >the NAI company picnic). 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Cloud Chicago Tribune WASHINGTON - American scientists monitoring remote sites where India and Pakistan detonated nucleardevices sharply question public claims by both nations about the size and number of weapons tested. Scientists examining seismic data on the tests, picked up at monitoring stations around the globe, say that both India and Pakistan have exaggerated the explosive power of the detonations and perhaps even the total number of devices tested. The Clinton administration has similar doubts about the claims by the South Asian rivals. Pakistani officials apparently disconnect a seismic monitor that would have given outsiders more precise data about their tests. And two nuclear devices that India claimed to have set off were not detected by a single known seismic monitor station anywhere in the world. ... The gap between the claims and the seismic data suggests that the test may not have gone as well as each side announced, said experts interviewed by the Chicago Tribune. The discrepancies in monitoring data prove ammunition for some critics of an international test-ban treaty. These critics argue that the lack of data for India�s announced second round of nuclear weapons tests calls into question whether clandestine nuclear test can be accurately monitored. ... Jim Durham, Sandia�s seismic CTBT project leader http://jya.com/da/whpda.htm, told me that the coupling [impendance match?] between the bomb and the surrounding ground had much to do with what a seismic station receives. Lastly, and what I think is the most important, Albuquerque Journal f 6/5/98 USS Yorktown Found Explorer Located Titanic Wreck By Randolph E. Schmidt The Associated Press WASHINGTON - Three miles under water, the USS Yorktown�s four-barrel anti-aircraft gun still aims skyward 56 years after the aircraft carrier went to the bottom of the Pacific Ocean, a victim of the Battle of Midway. Photos and video of the giant ship, sitting upright on the ocean floor, were unveiled Thursday by Robert Ballard, the undersea explorer who found the wrecks of the Titanic and the German battleship Bismarck. http://www.nationalgeographic.com/features/98/midway/ REASON is that Ballard uses PolyForth http://av.yahoo.com/bin/query?p=polyforth&z=2&hc=0&hs=0 in the submersible robots, Jeff Allsup of Woods Hole told me. Allsup downloaded ALL of the code and documentation from my Forth http://jya.com/f86/whpf86.htm book from Vesta in Colorado at 1,200 bps. Allsup told me this took several days. This is same software technology which is used for the US satellite program. http://groucho.gsfc.nasa.gov/forth/ Java http://www.mrl.nyu.edu/meyer/jvmref/ appears also to be a byte threaded code technology. Let�s hope for settlement of the unfortunate matter so that we can all got on to other constructive projects. I would like to do some more with http://www-hto.usc.edu/software/seqaln/doc/html/gfsr.3.html and revise http://www.apcatalog.com/cgi-bin/AP?ISBN=0125475705&LOCATION=US&FORM=FORM2 for the 80C32 communicating over ieee 1284 ecp to a Windows PC. Later, bill From billp at nmol.com Fri Jun 5 15:19:57 1998 From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:19:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Site Secrets Message-ID: <35786E62.1452@nmol.com> Friday 6/5/98 3:49 PM John Young NOTHING from the court, DOE or EEOC today. Good. I loaded my boat in the back of my truck. Fishing tomorrow and Sunday at Navajo lake. Navajo lake is on the Colorado border. My primary goal is to finish the digital FX. But I need a mental health break. I got kick out of the moralist lecture to schneier at counterpane.com. http://www.jya.com/bud-avbsp.htm I can only imagine "Bud" �s horror when he reads about Morales and my genocide, deficient crypto, and crooked judge lawsuit. But, of course, we are merely trying to promote settlement of this UNFORTUNATE matter before something POSSIBLY serious happens. Settlement progress is reported to our friends at http://www.wpiran.org/ and others in hope it is passed along to the interested. Peaceful MONETARY settlement of this UNFORTUNATE matter is clearly in everyone's best interest. Thoroughly enjoyed Site Secrets. http://www.jya.com/crypto.htm#site The Real World again. Have a good weekend all. bill From gwb at gwb.com.au Fri Jun 5 15:21:29 1998 From: gwb at gwb.com.au (Global Web Builders) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 15:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sixty Minutes vs Pauline Hanson Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980605221229.0070d830@mail.pronet.net.au> Dear One Nation Supporter in NSW, PLEASE READ THIS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT MESSAGE and CIRCULATE WIDELY TO ALL YOU CAN. In the lead up to the Queensland State and Federal Elections there has been growing hysteria in the media, major political parties and by minority groups that "support for Pauline Hanson's One Nation is somehow bad for Australia". It should be of no surprise that One Nation has one goal in mind and that is to bring equity in treatment back to ALL Australians irrespective of colour, race, or creed. If you read the first sentence again you will see who is going to 'lose' when divisive policies are removed by One Nation from the Australian equation. However, the most divisive force in Australia today is the mainstream media, carefully controlled by men of enormous wealth who now seek the ultimate prize, 'power over the politicians who run Australia'. Many believe that they have already achieved this goal. Many believe that the support for Pauline Hanson's One Nation is a direct result of 'populist' Australians (that's you and me) seeing through the deals being done between the major political parties and the media barons. Today Australians face a real fight to retain their democratic rights in the face of the media moguls. This is the 'real' media-hidden war that is being raged right now with Pauline Hanson being the focus, the enemy. The coming Queensland state and Federal elections are not over 'race' as the media would have you believe, they are over our freedom of speech and democracy which has already being largely destroyed through the concentration of our media. Last Tuesday Pauline Hanson raised the issue of 'The Draft Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples' in Parliament. What followed was the most disgraceful vilification by Howard, Beazley, supported by the media, of Pauline Hanson, the messenger, while the message - the potential impact of this treaty on all Australians - was totally ignored. This vilification was epitomised by the live interview with Ray Martin on Channel 9's 'A Current Affair' during which he changed the 'rules of engagement' previously agreed to. The interview was supposed to be about Pauline's speech in parliament and the ramifications of the UN draft agreement. A range of links to documents related to Pauline Hanson's speech can be seen at: http://www.gwb.com.au/un.html Channel 9 have used these tactics before to secure an interview under blatantly dishonest terms. Sixty Minutes approached Pauline Hanson to do a 'prime time' broadcast on 'a new political party in the making'... in 1997. The original letter to David Ettridge confirming the 'rules of engagement' with Pauline Hanson can be seen at this link: http://www.gwb.com.au/gwb/news/onenation/letter.gif In both Channel 9 interviews Pauline Hanson has appeared stunned, was ridiculed by those interviewing her and thereafter denigrated by many of her opponents. Quite simply she has been ambushed with unrelated questioning by a less than ethical media doing the bidding of powers higher up. This Sunday Channel 9's 'Sixty Minutes' has intimated that it will be doing an 'expose' on Pauline Hanson's One Nation links to 'American influences'. As of late yesterday they had refused to supply the source of their information so that One Nation could respond. It will be an interesting time for 'Sixty Minutes' to carry such a damaging, unsubstantiated programme, less than a week before the Queensland state election. The background to the programme to be run tomorrow can be seen at: http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/news/17029.asp Here is a quote from that page: 'But as 60 Minutes has discovered, Pauline Hanson's one nation has little to do with our nation. Much of her ideology is borrowed from loony extremists in the United States, right down to her claim this week that the UN was undermining Australia's sovereignty. Jeff McMullen reports that this fear of a UN-led global world order is the central theme in the thinking of militia groups at war with the US Government. And the militia leaders admit they know and admire Pauline Hanson and have advised her supporters.' With this in mind I would ask you to take this personal assurance from me. I have been privileged to get to know Pauline and understand the fire that burns within her for Australia and her children, our future. She is not influenced by anybody from overseas, her gun laws actually tighten gun control through "an instant record check to ensure those persons ineligible to own a firearm can be quickly identified; we shall establish a register of persons prohibited from firearm ownership. Prohibited persons: ie those convicted of a violent offence." See: http://www.gwb.com.au/onenation/press/guns.html Pauline's aims are to work for the return of Australia to Australians - away from the negative, direct influence of overseas-based multinationals; to introduce Citizen Based Referendums; to allow you to have a real say in your future (One Nation's policies can be seen at: http://www.gwb.com.au/onenation/policy.html) and to dismantle the power blocks controlled by the media barons. It is this last goal which is behind the vilification of Pauline Hanson by the media and what she stands for, not the opinions expressed by those who do their master's bidding. You may like to tell 'Sixty Minutes' what you think of their programme, if so use this link: http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/60m/content/email.asp PLEASE BROADCAST THIS EMAIL WIDELY A personal message from Scott Balson, Pauline Hanson's One Nation web master One Nation home page: http://www.gwb.com.au/onenation From bill.stewart at pobox.com Fri Jun 5 19:12:02 1998 From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 19:12:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: IP: Uncle Sam is Hooked on Forfeiture (fwd) In-Reply-To: <19980605092007.3442.qmail@hades.rpini.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980605092233.008e0100@popd.ix.netcom.com> Somebody, probably Vlad, forwarded this via Swiss Remailer. I normally try not to reply to Ignition-Points forwards here, but this one's relevant. "Access devices" often includes things like computer passwords as well as smartcards for building entry. So "Crack a password, lose your computer" would apply as well as "Crack 15+ passwords, get busted". I don't know if that was Senator Sleazy's intent with the bill, but it's an obvious application if not. Did the bill pass? >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 16:21:31 -0400 >From: Patricia Neill >To: ignition-point at majordomo.pobox.com >Subject: IP: Uncle Sam is Hooked on Forfeiture > > 4.Counterfeit Access Devices > S.1148 > SPONSOR: Sen D'Amato (introduced 09/04/97) > TITLE(S): > OFFICIAL TITLE AS INTRODUCED: > A bill to amend title 49, United States Code, to require the >forfeiture of counterfeit access devices and device-making equipment. > "Amends Federal transportation law to declare counterfeit >access devices and device-making equipment contraband subject to mandatory >seizure and forfeiture." > > Well, what are we talking about here? Duplicate key for the apartment? >What can it be extended to tomorrow, is the real question. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart at pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639 From StanSqncrs at aol.com Fri Jun 5 21:46:38 1998 From: StanSqncrs at aol.com (StanSqncrs at aol.com) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 21:46:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Nobody on Video ;-) Message-ID: It appears the Cypherpunks have infiltrated the FBI and have installed a survailence camera on one of the agents investigating the Cypherpunks. ;-) Here's one of them FBI agents tryin' to track you guys down ;-) , check this out - http://www.cnbc.com/moreinfo/badday.mpeg 4.5 meg (but worth every byte) Stan 'Amazing! How can you tell the dancer from the dance' (Brave Combo - The Jeffrey) Visit 'What's A Meta U (and What's It 2U) http://members.aol.com/WhtsAMetaU/ (Cypherpunks, the Brave Combo's latest studio release ('Group Dance Epidemic - Fun .... and Functional!' - Rounder Records) is themed on my war with the Bucketheads that led me to this list. The cover picture depicts the Bucketheads (a group of people pretending to be having a good time.) It was the leader of the Bucketheads that subscribed me to this list (I'm VERY sure). The song, 'The Jeffrey', in particular, is all about the 'flame' (as 'they' call it) war, and based much on some of my posts. The list is now un- moderated, and in the control of free persons. Check out that cd.) From vac22737889 at msn.com Sat Jun 6 01:54:37 1998 From: vac22737889 at msn.com (vac22737889 at msn.com) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 01:54:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: URGENT BUY RECOMMENDATION Message-ID: <221548788987.MAA45587@mail.msn.com> R & R Resources. Symbol: R R R I Recent Price: 8 3/4 ($8.75/share) Wall Street analysis from Harvard Equity Research has issued a STRONG BUY recommendation on RRRI stock. Robert Renquist was quoted as predicting a $13.50-$15.00 price near-term with "the high probability of continuing appreciation during the 4th quarter of 1998". 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From gwb at gwb.com.au Sat Jun 6 03:26:22 1998 From: gwb at gwb.com.au (Global Web Builders) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 03:26:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Statement on Sixty Minutes by Pauline Hanson Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980606101637.0084b320@mail.pronet.net.au> Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 20:00:04 +1000 NEWS RELEASE 6/6/98 60 minutes' Fairytales "This Sunday, 60 Minutes is airing a segment devoted to connecting Pauline Hanson with individuals or groups in the United States. While we don't know who these people are, what is certain is that Pauline Hanson is not in contact politically or organisationally with anyone in the United States - the 60 Minutes story is a fairytale. After hearing of an advertisement for this Sunday's 60 minutes, David Oldfied contacted the programme to check its content. Despite making it clear there was absolutely no communication between Pauline Hanson, her advisers, or the organisation's heads and anyone in the United States, 60 minutes refused to even consider they had manufactured the story. They also refused to allow One Nation an opportunity to rebut their fairytale until the programme the following week. This is a nefariously timed lie. This is deceptive and dishonest journalism at its worst and all credible journalists, whatever their personal feelings, should be appalled at 60 minutes' approach. Regardless of what evidence 60 Minutes produce or what they may state, the whole story is a fairytale fabricated without the slightest basis of truth. There is no connection or communication between the United States and Pauline Hanson or One Nation. While we have no knowledge of such activities, it is possible some individual member may be in contact with people overseas but this, if it has happened, is a personal affair and unrelated to us as an organisation. It should also be understood that One Nation letterhead and other documents have been forged on a number of occasions. Further to this, people have falsely claimed to be party officials and candidates as well as one incident where a person in Western Australia claimed to be a close personal adviser to Pauline when in fact she had never even met him. We are not sure what 60 minutes will put to air, but having spoken to them twice, it is clear they will peddle the lie of links that simply do not exist. Perhaps they have cleverly manufactured a fairytale with the help of people either willing to perjure themselves or who are just not aware they are not really in contact with Pauline or One Nation, but whatever the case, their story is fiction in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd degree. 60 minute's refusal of an opportunity for us to face their fairytale on their programme this Sunday night, in itself, proves their intention to simply maliciously attack Pauline and One Nation by any means regardless of the total lack of truth. 60 minutes has no credibility and should be treated accordingly. Even their Internet story announcing their programme is filled with lies when factual evidence is clearly available by speaking to us, something they chose not to do because the truth would ruin their dishonest and despicable claims." "Pauline Hanson and One Nation is, and will always be, 100% Australian owned and 100% Australian influenced." Statement issued by request of Pauline Hanson MP. 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Upon becoming a member, you promise to keep all infos CONFIDENTIAL! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Should you choose to cancel your membership for any reason, you must return all papers/documents for a refund within 60 days. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~-- IMPORTANT: **************** 1...Please write your name & mailing address VERY CLEARLY on a paper 2...Below your mailing address, please write your E-mail address 3...At the top left hand corner, please write the words "NEW MEMBER" 4...Attach a CHECK or MONEY ORDER for $25 + $10 for the shipping and handling of documents (TOTAL = $35.00) Outside US add $10 (TOTAL = $45) PAYABLE TO "EBSN" and mail to: EBSN PO BOX 66 ROSELLE PARK, NJ 07204 }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} Here are some more 'Editorial Excerpts': ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ WALL STREET: "A discreet group of Americans, operating under the guise of World Currency Cartel have recently begun making rumbles in world finance market. While at this time, their game is not completely known, they certainly will be watched by those making major moves in the currency contracts". FINANCIAL WEEK: "Watch them, monitor them, extract their knowledge and try to become one of them. That is the soundest financial advice we could give to anyone". NATIONAL BUSINESS WEEKLY: "While this reporter has been left in the cold as to its method of operation, we have been able to confirm that 'World Currency Cartel' and its members are literally amassing great fortunes overnight". $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$END$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ We thankfully credit DIAMOND INT. for the content of this IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT. From gwb at gwb.com.au Sat Jun 6 13:26:58 1998 From: gwb at gwb.com.au (Global Web Builders) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 13:26:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Toyota - Sixty Minutes' sponsors need to know Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980606202036.00b43b7c@mail.pronet.net.au> Dear One Nation supporters Toyota are the bona-fide sponsors of Sixty Minutes. Further to our email yesterday about their coverage of Pauline Hanson tonight, ****I would encourage**** you to take a moment to send your message of concern about the unethical behaviour of this Channel 9 programme and express yours views clearly on how you feel this might reflect on their business. Here is Toyota's email address: toyota at spike.com.au GWB Scott Balson Here is a copy of the email sent to you yesterday from Pauline Hanson: NEWS RELEASE 6/6/98 60 minutes' Fairytales "This Sunday, 60 Minutes is airing a segment devoted to connecting Pauline Hanson with individuals or groups in the United States. While we don't know who these people are, what is certain is that Pauline Hanson is not in contact politically or organisationally with anyone in the United States - the 60 Minutes story is a fairytale. After hearing of an advertisement for this Sunday's 60 minutes, David Oldfied contacted the programme to check its content. Despite making it clear there was absolutely no communication between Pauline Hanson, her advisers, or the organisation's heads and anyone in the United States, 60 minutes refused to even consider they had manufactured the story. They also refused to allow One Nation an opportunity to rebut their fairytale until the programme the following week. This is a nefariously timed lie. This is deceptive and dishonest journalism at its worst and all credible journalists, whatever their personal feelings, should be appalled at 60 minutes' approach. Regardless of what evidence 60 Minutes produce or what they may state, the whole story is a fairytale fabricated without the slightest basis of truth. There is no connection or communication between the United States and Pauline Hanson or One Nation. While we have no knowledge of such activities, it is possible some individual member may be in contact with people overseas but this, if it has happened, is a personal affair and unrelated to us as an organisation. It should also be understood that One Nation letterhead and other documents have been forged on a number of occasions. Further to this, people have falsely claimed to be party officials and candidates as well as one incident where a person in Western Australia claimed to be a close personal adviser to Pauline when in fact she had never even met him. We are not sure what 60 minutes will put to air, but having spoken to them twice, it is clear they will peddle the lie of links that simply do not exist. Perhaps they have cleverly manufactured a fairytale with the help of people either willing to perjure themselves or who are just not aware they are not really in contact with Pauline or One Nation, but whatever the case, their story is fiction in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd degree. 60 minute's refusal of an opportunity for us to face their fairytale on their programme this Sunday night, in itself, proves their intention to simply maliciously attack Pauline and One Nation by any means regardless of the total lack of truth. 60 minutes has no credibility and should be treated accordingly. Even their Internet story announcing their programme is filled with lies when factual evidence is clearly available by speaking to us, something they chose not to do because the truth would ruin their dishonest and despicable claims." "Pauline Hanson and One Nation is, and will always be, 100% Australian owned and 100% Australian influenced." Statement issued by request of Pauline Hanson MP. From StanSqncrs at aol.com Sat Jun 6 16:40:23 1998 From: StanSqncrs at aol.com (StanSqncrs at aol.com) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 16:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FBI Video Message-ID: <544efa54.3579d342@aol.com> Bill had a correction for me (Thanks Bill!). That cypherpunks survailance video is only 416k (I've got .MP3 sizes on my mind, sorry) Download it if you haven't seen it - http://www.cnbc.com/moreinfo/badday.mpeg Stan From gwb at gwb.com.au Sat Jun 6 17:44:27 1998 From: gwb at gwb.com.au (Global Web Builders) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 17:44:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Queensland State Elections Live Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980607003915.023003b4@mail.pronet.net.au> Dear One Nation supporter Bookmark this page: http://www.gwb.com.au/onenation/qldstate/june13 We will be covering the state elections live from here on behalf of One Nation. You will be able to participate in live IRC Chat (find out how now) and Follow stories and images as they unfold. GWB Scott Balson From martybishop at yahoo.com Sat Jun 6 18:59:38 1998 From: martybishop at yahoo.com (Martin Bishop) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 18:59:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Tigerteam Contract Message-ID: <19980607015916.1565.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> A request for all tigerteam specialists: If any of you has access to a sample of a tigerteam contract (a company orders an attempt to break into their information system) - for any country - preferably European, I would very much appreciate you directing me to it (or sending it). I have assembled a team of various security specialists but really wouldn't like to step into some legal trap that may have been avoided. My primary concerns are: - attempt to "steal" information that the company considers confidential or classified (are they allowed to authorize such attempt at all and who gets sued if they can't but do it anyway) - possible hinderance or partial destruction of company's information system - software, data, functionality (e.g. when conducting highly violent attacks) - using forged identity (very handy when doing social engineering but what is the legal aspect of it?) - "attacking" company's employees (can a company authorize someone to do a background research on their employees, to hack into their home computers as well, to social engineer them out-of-work, to abduct and threaten them etc.?) - protecting from your own team members (trust nobody: a member of my team could eventually - under threat or some other pressure - insert a backdoor/trojan/virus etc. into the company's information system) Thank you in advance for your answers and have a nice day. 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Free registration for this mailer-independent removal service is at http://www.ctct.com **************************************************** From gnu at toad.com Sun Jun 7 21:39:00 1998 From: gnu at toad.com (John Gilmore) Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 21:39:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: President's Export Council advisors consider Encryption Policy Message-ID: <199806080438.VAA05215@toad.com> [Largely bureaucratic, but there may be some interesting nuggets. This is an advisory group to watch over exports in general, with a subcommittee that is chartered to watch over encryption issues. --gnu] EXECUTIVE SUMMARY PRESIDENT'S EXPORT COUNCIL SUBCOMMITTEE ON ENCRYPTION APRIL 23, 1998 SUMMARY OF OPEN SESSION The open session of the President's Export Council Subcommittee on Encryption (PECSENC) was called to order at 8:30 a.m. Mr. Adorjan noted the Committee's mandate and described the framework and agenda of the meeting. He then described the proposed focus of the Subcommittee working groups on U.S. regulation and legislation, international, and technology. He emphasized that the objective would be for each working group to address the many subjects related to encryption export policy from the perspective of the primary topic. He noted that as the working groups made progress on issues, they would bring recommendations for decision to the entire Subcommittee. He added that each working group would issue individual reports or recommendations rather than waiting for an integrated report of all three working groups. He again noted his hope that the work of the three groups be integrated further on in the process. He commented that there had been discussion of a fourth group focused on law enforcement, but concluded that it would be more valuable to integrate law enforcement issues into the work of the three groups because of its impact on these areas. He then described the proposed list of working group participants and possible chairs, noting that his goal was to get a balanced representation of members within each group. He said that during the afternoon breakout sessions, he would like each working group to reach a set of decisions on the scope and approach of its work plan, and the timetable for completion. Mr. Adorjan then discussed how the PECSENC, as a Subcommittee of the President's Export Council, would communicate any formal activity to the Administration, noting that the process used by the PEC Subcommittee on Export Administration (PECSEA) worked well. He described this process, and explained that any proposals to send reports or letters to the Administration were submitted by the Subcommittee Chair to the PEC Chair for distribution to Committee members, with the PEC staff coordinating this effort. Mr. Adorjan then commented on Mr. Stewart Baker's e-mail recommendation to submit a letter urging the Administration to move forward on the financial institutions regulation which had been pending. He agreed with Mr. Baker's assessment that the Subcommittee should focus not only on long-term issues, but also intervene in short-term issues. Mr. Adorjan added that issuing a letter to the Administration with support of PEC and Subcommittee members was an effective means of bringing a topic to the forefront. He then suggested that the working groups address such time sensitive issues, as appropriate, and formulate recommendations for circulation throughout the entire Subcommittee. Mr. Adorjan then asked for any comments with regard to the working group activities. As there were none, he turned to the issue of membership, noting that the PECSENC had 23 members with approximately 30 total members planned. He added that at the previous meeting, members had discussed the importance of having a cryptographer and insurance industry representative as members. He assured members that the department was pursuing these recommendations. At the request of Subcommittee members, Under Secretary Reinsch discussed Secretary Daley's recent remarks to a group of information technology associations regarding the release of the Commerce Department report titled "The Emerging Digital Economy." Mr. Reinsch noted that while the report focused on electronic commerce, the Secretary also took the opportunity to comment on the encryption debate. He emphasized that the Secretary supported the President's policy to balance national security, privacy, and commercial interests, but believed that implementation of the policy had not been as successful as it should be. He added that if it could not be implemented successfully, the victims would be the law enforcement community and U.S. business, as foreign products would become more dominant. With respect to the ability of the United States to impact the activities of foreign countries on encryption, Mr. Reinsch noted that each country that confronted the issue had to work out the debate in its own way. Responding to Mr. Lynn McNulty's request for views on the Economic Strategy Institute's report entitled "Finding the Key, Reconciling National and Economic Security Interests in Cryptography Policy", Mr. Reinsch noted that while the report did not offer alternatives, it demonstrated that balancing the competing interests in the debate was difficult. Mr. Adorjan then introduced the first presenter in the Justice Department's threat assessment briefing, Mr. Charles Barry Smith, Supervisory Special Agent, Office of Public and Congressional Affairs at the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Agent Smith began by stating that law enforcement was supportive of strong encryption to protect privacy, but that it would be adversely impacted by commercially available non-recovery encryption products. He discussed the legal issues related to wiretapping, describing it as a technique of last resort done under strict judicial procedures. He then described the adverse impact of non-recovery encryption on law enforcement's ability to perform search and seizure of criminally related electronically stored data. He provided case examples where electronic surveillance had been used successfully and described high-profile cases where encryption played a role. In response to Raymond Humphrey's question as to whether or not criminals would use key recovery products, Agent Smith said that past experience showed that criminals tended to use what was generally available, citing the use of cellular phones as an example. Ambassador Katz raised the issue of whether it was too late to reverse the impact of the general availability of non-key recovery encryption. Agent Smith responded that at this point encryption was just an added feature, but would soon become integrated into products and user-friendly, resulting in increased use. In response to Ms. Simons' question of the issue of domestic controls, Agent Smith noted that law enforcement was in fact concerned about the proliferation of non-recovery products within the United States, as well as the impact of imports of such products. Agent Smith emphasized that law enforcement did not advocate that the government be the holder of the information or key, but that it have access to information pursuant to lawful authority without having to go to the individual who may be engaged in the illegal activity. Adorjan then introduced the second Justice Department speaker, Mr. Scott Charney, Chief of the Computer Crime and Intellectual Property Section in the Criminal Division of the Justice Department. Mr. Charney began by commenting that his office was a large proponent of using cryptography to protect systems for both authentication and privacy and commerce purposes based on its experience with hacker cases. He noted that if information was encrypted, it was not as much of a concern if hackers gained access to it. He said that the question to ask was whether the public wanted the kind of infrastructure that helped criminals protect themselves because products were unbreakable and law enforcement had no access to data, or the kind of infrastructure where the public got the benefits of robust cryptography but where it did more to preserve public safety. Mr. Douglas McGowan asked about the method of controlling keys for individual users of key recovery encryption outside of the corporate environment. Mr. Charney responded that there were many ingenious ways to implement the technology which allow people to retain control to information and keys while providing for government access with the necessary authority. He added that there were ways to implement key recovery that offered benefits for the consumer and public safety, and used the example of "self-wrapping" encryption. Mr. Donald Goldstein noted that there was evidence that the public was relatively trusting and accepting of key management and recovery techniques, citing the example of ATM card usage. He cautioned that the network might become unreliable if a vulnerability was introduced which could result in the public not trusting the system anymore. Mr. Chaney responded that this vulnerability was far less than what existed in today's plaintext world and that an expectation of zero risk on networks was not realistic. He added that there needed to be a balance of benefits and risks and that it was difficult to quantify risks to privacy versus public safety. There was also a general discussion with Messrs. Smith and Charney on related issues, including the concept of a "Net Center", the policies of other countries, imports of non-recovery encryption, the difficulty in designing different products in different markets, the possibility of a single law enforcement standard, economic intelligence and espionage, including losses to the economy if robust encryption was not available, the need for real time access to encrypted communications, and the ability of law enforcement to solve crimes in the future if constrained by non key-recovery encryption products. Mr. Anthony Pentino of the National Security Agency suggested that law enforcement might find a better way to communicate its position beyond the congressional level to the general public at large to counter what appeared to be an exaggeration of privacy concerns fostered by its detractors. Ms. Simons then asked that in the future, the Subcommittee members have the opportunity to submit questions to speakers. Mr Adorjan suggested that these questions be conveyed through the working groups. Mr. Linton Wells from the Department of Defense commented that Deputy Secretary of Defense John Hamre recently spoke to NATO allies in Brussels regarding the importance of each country developing national solutions on encryption. He noted that Hamre's point was that encryption needed to be regarded not just from commerce and law enforcement standpoint, but as a national security issue as well. As NATO moved from military dedicated command and control to public networks, strong identification, authentication, and interoperability were crucial. He also noted that with respect to the Defense Department engaging in electronic commerce, key recovery encryption would be necessary from an internal control standpoint. Mr. Adorjan agreed that this issue was not unique to the Defense Department, but corporations as well. Turning to the briefing foreign activities, Mr. Adorjan introduced Ms. Michelle O'Neill, Executive Director to Ambassador Aaron and Mr. James Lewis, Director of the Office of Strategic Trade and Foreign Policy Controls. Ms. O'Neill began by explaining that Ambassador Aaron, who was unable to attend the meeting, had been appointed as Special Envoy for Cryptography in November 1996. The goal of his discussions with other countries was international consensus on the development of key management and key recovery architectures that would foster robust, dependable security for global information infrastructure while protecting public safety and national security. She said that two key issues were the need for harmonized export control policies and the development compatible infrastructures, as it was clear that no widely used encryption system or any successful national policy would be possible without international cooperation. She also noted that while governments must provide appropriate policy framework, the task of building this infrastructure would lie with the private sector. She said that through Ambassador Aaron's discussions, they had learned that while most governments were behind the United States in development of encryption policies, each shared the same concerns as the United States in trying to strike the right balance. Mr. Lewis' discussion focused on multilateral controls on encryption exports. He began by noting that a number of countries controlled the export of encryption, but that the task was to modernize encryption export controls to reflect today's environment and agree to the implementation of common policies. He added that most governments had common concerns about role of encryption in society. He noted that the U.S. objectives with respect to encryption policy were law enforcement access, use of recoverable encryption, and promotion of electronic commerce. He then explained the history and structure of Wassenaar Arrangement and outlined the issues that the forum was considering with respect to encryption, including moving to a positive control list, consideration of the treatment of commercial encryption products given widespread commercial use, treatment of software and intangible technology (phone conversations, faxes, Internet transmissions), decontrol levels, and transparency in reporting. He said that the United States had raised encryption as an issue for discussion at the last Wassenaar Arrangement plenary in December 1997 and asked countries to adopt similar policies as the United States. He indicated that given the scope of the issues under consideration, he was not sure that resolution would happen anytime soon. He added that Ambassador Aaron's group was finding that other countries were moving slowly in the U.S. direction and had more sympathy for the U.S. position than it would appear. There was a general discussion of the issue of mass market encryption software, the treatment of intangible technology and the need to develop a common approach on encryption. Following the lunch break and the meeting of the non-public working group sessions, Chairman Adorjan reconvened the Subcommittee at 3:00 p.m. He asked each group to give a report on its discussions and began with Mr. Gant Redmon and the working group on technology. Mr. Redmon began by noting that the issue of interoperability was a key part of the group's discussion and said that building key recovery was not an impossible project (with respect to stored data). He said that from a technological standpoint, interoperability could cause a great deal of difficulty in terms of those products that have key recovery and those that do not. He also noted the strong domestic impact of export issues and other pressures to create encryption products a certain way. With respect to mass market software, he said that the working group generally agreed that 56 bit encryption products were the de facto standard. Mr. Adorjan then turned to Ambassador Katz for a briefing on the international working group discussion. Katz noted that the first task they agreed to focus on was developing an understanding of the state of current encryption policies, including foreign availability and policies of other governments. He said that the working group would seek briefings from government and the private sector and perhaps survey suppliers and users. He indicated that the group had identified another issue: whether export control policy is the most effective instrument to meet broader objectives of law enforcement, national security, and privacy. He finished by noting that the working group planned on completing its information gathering prior to the September meeting and would then work on policy recommendations. Mr. Adorjan then turned to the Regulatory and Legislative working group. Mr. Richard Barth began by noting that the working group had considered the letter drafted by Mr. Baker and supported it with minor edits. He added that they felt that the issue of raising the decontrol level to 56 bit encryption products could be included as a second point. He then noted that the group had agreed on a set of operating principles for themselves and perhaps for the use of the entire Subcommittee. These included the objective of balancing the interests of law enforcement, privacy and national, seeking this balance via market driven forces and, where necessary, taking a legislative approach. He concluded with a request for a panel briefing on the legislative environment and a briefing on the export control requirements on encryption. Adorjan agreed that briefings on three issues would be useful, specifically briefings on the status of legislative issues, export policies and administration, and international threat briefing by the National Security Agency. With respect to these briefings, he would ask the presenters to provide topical outlines in advance of the briefings. Mr. Adorjan said he looked forward to the working groups developing a defined scope of work by the next meeting, and suggested that they interact by e-mail. He added that the working groups did not need to get consensus, but that the long term objective was to formulate a set of recommendations. Finally, he noted that he and Under Secretary Reinsch would invite Secretary Daley to participate at the June 22 meeting. Mr. Adorjan asked if there were other issues to be discussed. As there were none, he adjourned the session at 3:35 p.m. From jmatk at tscm.com Sun Jun 7 23:49:35 1998 From: jmatk at tscm.com (James M. 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( depending on what you are marketing ) CALL NOW limit openings 1-800-600-0343 ext.1256 From StanSqncrs at aol.com Mon Jun 8 01:45:20 1998 From: StanSqncrs at aol.com (StanSqncrs at aol.com) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 01:45:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Amway and Brave Combo Evidence Update Message-ID: <81aeaeca.357ba471@aol.com> On that page I point to with the X-tian fish discussion, I linked the "moderator nazi" with the right-wing because of his use of this symbol "&" to replace the "And" in "Andy". I have come to learn, it's got 2 meanings. It looks like the symbol for the "Know-nothing" movement is - "K & N". Of course, to know the significance of that, you have to know something about the "Know-nothing" movement. I think anyone that's ever observed many of the lists around, will see some remarkable similarities. Check this out - ==== Know-nothing (1827) 1 a : IGNORAMUS b: AGNOSTIC 2 cap K & N : a member of a 19th century secret American political organization hostile to the political influence of recent immigrants and Roman Catholics Know-nothingism (1854) 1 cap K & N : the principles and policies of the Know- Nothings 2 : the condition of knowing nothing or desiring to know nothing or the conviction that nothing can be known with certainty esp. in religion or morality 3 often cap K & N : a mid-twentieth century political attitude characterized by anti=intellectualism, exaggerated patriotism, and fear of foreign subversive influences Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, 10th edition ==== 'Know-Nothing' Movement U.S. political movement in the mid-19th cent. The increased immigration of the 1840s had resulted in concentrations of Roman Catholic immigrants in the Eastern cities. The Democrats welcomed them, but local nativist societies were formed to combat "foreign" influences and uphold the "American" view. The American Republican party, formed (1843) in New York, spread to neighboring states as the Native American party and became a national party in 1845. Many secret orders sprang up, and when outsiders made inquiries of supposed members, they were met with a statement that the person knew nothing; hence members were called Know-Nothings. The Know-Nothings sought to elect only native Americans to office and to require 25 years of residence for citizenship. Allied with a faction of the WHIG PARTY, they almost captured New York in the 1854 election and swept the polls in Massachusetts and Delaware. In 1855 they adopted the name American party and dropped much of their secrecy. The issue of slavery, however, split the party, and many antislavery members joined the new REPUBLICAN PARTY. Millard FILLMORE, the American party's presidential candidate in 1856, won only Maryland, and the party's national strength was broken. The Concise Columbia Encyclopedia is licensed from Columbia University Press. Copyright � 1995 by Columbia University Press. All rights reserved. ==== Cypherpunks, these are the bastards that have control of congress. If you are serious about freedom, you must go out and register to vote, and you must vote the real punks (Christian Coalition types (the CC is simply a front for the Know-nothing movement, and I'll bet you now believe me. ;-) )) out of power. They are the bastards that are controlling speech (and thought, IMHO) on that Camelogue list (the Humpheads). AND they were doing the same thing on that Brave Combo list (The Bucketheads gang that I seem to have incapacitated. Hey, can I say that I saved the Brave Combo? ;-) ) And the evidence is on Brave Combo cds. Not only the one that I'm on, but now that I've gone in looking at it from this angle, I see they've been documenting the invasion of the Bucketheads for 10 years. It starts with Humansville with the cover showing a "the" 'beast', IMHO raising it's ugly head out of the water. Also on that one, is a song called "Move" which starts with a message that was left on Jeffrey Barnes answering machine one night, that threatened him to turn down his music. There was no music being played in his house that night. They were trying to tell him to censor the Brave Combo. I haven't had a chance to search that album for other stuff yet. Those were the obvious things. The theme continues for the next 4 Brave Combo (only (they were doing collabarations also during this period)) studio releases. Since yous guys are Cypherpunks, I'm not gonna give you that many more clues (for right now, there are some songs patterned after certain specific Bucketheads that you probably won't get the connection, but if you think of various folk you've met on the net, I'll bet you find some remarkable similarities in the lyrics/titling/liner notes) So, it continues on to the next ones (and in this order) - Night On Earth No No No-Cha Cha Cha Polkas For A Gloomy World (BTW: Grammy nominated, lost (probably due to the Know-nothings. Study this one's liner notes VERY carefully (and Mystery Spot Polka lyrics for sure)) And up to the one I'm on - 'Group Dance Epidemic - Fun ...... and Functional!' Those are all excellent cds, but if you don't want to spend the money, all of the lyrics are on the Discography page (http://www.brave.com/bo/discography/) at the official website (which the Bucketheads still seem to have some control of. How do I know? Guess which lyrics they DON'T have there. The Jeffrey. (and other reasons) I forced them to put the Mystery Spot Polka's lyrics up there when I attempted to discuss it on the list (and I was censored.) They had to try to show that it wasn't being censored.) So, I'll post my interpretation of The Jeffrey because of that - ===== The Jeffrey (Barnes, Cripps, Finch, Hernandez - Wise Monkey Music) (Jeffrey (spoken)) I am the master of my own universe And I dance just as good as I want to ====== I am a genius because I want to be ==== I have created a dance in my own image Look at me! ====== I have written a song and dance just like me, I expect all BRAVE Combo fans to look for it's meaning! I'm not happy! (see insert photo of the Part 1 (The) Jeffrey) ==== (backup) One, two, three, four ====== I want you to analyze my song and dance line-by-line. ==== Nothing ((backup) Nada) ====== I'm waiting. I've been waiting. ==== Amazing! ====== Wow! Someone came along and analyzed my song, and (pretty much) nailed it! ==== How can you tell the dancer from the dance. ====== That is what is revealed by careful analysis of my song - how YOU can know about certain-type of people that "lurk (dictionary definition)" the Brave Combo list ==== (girl) moans - Oh, Oh, Oh Oh Jeff, your dance is devine ==== I like your song, Jeff (SERIOUSLY! :-) (I really mean this, Combo fans! ;-) )) ====== Teach me to dance Jeffrey ==== I want to learn how to tell the difference between reality and perception of reality ====== Move my body with your hands ==== Dazzle me with how simple it all is ====== How should I move my hips? ==== How can I learn how to do that? ====== (Jeffrey) Your hips will take care of themselves. ==== Jeffrey's answer - Join FreeGroup (http://members.aol.com/whtsametau/FreeGroup.html) and/or Visit What's A Meta U (http://members.aol.com/WhtsAMetaU/) ====== (backup (sung)) Your hips will take care of themselves ==== Hippies will take care of themselves ====== (Jeffrey) 'Hip'ssssssss ==== Hippies ====== Creator ==== Yes, he's the creator of his song and dance. The song describes a dance created by man, the "Know-nothing" movement (otherwise known around here as the "Chicken" Coalition). The dance is, well, I've already given you a hint as to where that is, Cypherpunks! ====== Nowwwww. Resume the active things! ==== Get off of your butts and stop being politically apathetic. NOW! Take these guys out of power (they're preventing you from expressing yourself, and they're trying with all their might to prevent Jeffrey (Carl, etc.) from expressing himself) ====== (backup (sung)) Hips will take care of themselves Hips ==== Hippies ====== I am the master of my own universe And I dance just as good as I want to ==== I am a (UNDISPUTED) genius, because I used my own free will to decide to play the 'United Snakes ... ' ;-) in the BRAVE Combo (he plays 2 saxaphones at the same time. In harmony) ====== I have created a dance in my own image ==== My song and dance is just like me. ====== LOOK AT ME! ==== He's Mad! Only one Combo fan knowing the true meaning of his song and dance is NOT good enough for a genius! Analyze his song and dance. He's waiting. A review of recent history reveals that Brave Combo fans that truly 'get' their music are HIGHLY rewarded. (liner notes) The band once discovered Jeffrey Barnes doing this dance all by himself in a corner. He denies all responsibility, as his conscious mind was elsewhere at the time. Part I All dancers get on dance floor (with great enthusiasm) 1. Do nothing. 2. Stand with your arms folded across your chest. 3. Shift your weight from one leg to another 4. Exhibit all symptoms of extreme boredom. When this becomes unbearable, move on to Part II. ====== Part I represents 'closed-mindedness'/censorship/Bucketheads ==== Part II 1. Put fist out with thumbs up. 2. Attach your thumbs to turntables in your mind. 3. Rotate your thumbs clockwise. ====== Check out the right ==== 4. Rotate your thumbs counter-clockwise. ====== Check out the left ==== 5. Your hips will want to wiggle, let them. ====== But Hippies will want to investigate things other than just left and right, you better let them. :-) ==== When this becomes unbearable, return to Part I. ====== Part II represents "open-mindedness"/freedom/Stan ==== Repeat Part I and Part II until you wish to stop. ====== So you Bucketheads can do your 'dance' for as long as you want, but while you're doing that, us Hippies will take care of ourselves. Stan ============ Various lines in there refer to various posts that I posted during that so- called "flame" war. If anyone wants to see a few of those, let me know. "I want you to know", that compared to breaking the Buckethead gang, getting on that cd meant very little to me, except, that it was designed as a tool for me to use against the Know-nothings. I think I'll go post that over on the Brave Combo list. 'Tis a shame that my only audience, is the Bucketheads (and the Camelogue moderator nazi is lurking (dictionary definition) the list.). The Bucketheads ran everyone who wouldn't "drink" with them off. Guess what, Cypherpunks. I'm betting that 95% of the music (probably other forums as well (Republicans For All Americans is one I know about for sure)) lists (and websites) are in control of the "Know-nothings." We have got to get those kooks out of power, or it will be too late. It's VERY possible that your favorite musicians are trying to send secret messages out to thier fans through their music/lyrics and cover art, personal notes, etc., on this very same subject matter. Look for these clues to find out if your favorite bands lists/websites have the same "pesky" problem. They can't tell you outright because they got Know-nothing goons watching 'em. "That's all we know." Serious shit, Sherlock(s)! Stan From bill.stewart at pobox.com Sun Jun 7 12:59:22 1998 From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 03:59:22 +0800 Subject: anonymous mailboxes In-Reply-To: <19980604193606.27765.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980607021342.008b1370@popd.ix.netcom.com> >On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Sprokkit Amhal wrote: >> anonymous email boxes, whereby a user can receive email and even a >> traffic analysis attacker is unable to glean information about who >> received what when. I forget exactly what ve called vis method... One way to do pseudonymous email boxes is to use a web-based mailbox server such as hotmail and pick up the mail through anonymizers or onion routers. Obviously you need SSL for the anonymizer connections, and for the mailbox connection as well, and the name of the mailbox needs to be in the encrypted portion of the SSL requests rather than in the sniffable URL parts. The main threat is eavesdroppers watching the anonymizers over a period of time, picking up patterns that may not show during a single mail pickup. So you need enough anonymizers out there, or enough cover traffic on a smaller number of anonymizers, but it should basically be doable. It also helps if you can send mail to the mailer using the web, with SSL and chains of anonymizers to do it, to protect the sender, but anonymous remailers can also solve that problem. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart at pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639 From billp at nmol.com Mon Jun 8 07:33:24 1998 From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 07:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Spiking keyboards, digital cash, appeals, shift registers Message-ID: <357BF591.7D7@nmol.com> Monday 6/8/98 7:53 AM John Young I am reading http://jya.com/sitesec.htm a bit more carefully. You have NEVER WRITTEN SO MUCH. Fishing was great. I used a $10 THE INSTANT CALLING CARD [TM] VOCALL COMMUNICATIONS CORP The World's Most advanced prepaid Calling Card which allows access with a pin of 718-2455-7091-xxx [my SECRET] in ENGLISH, SPANISH, ARABIC, URDU, KOREAN, JAPANESE, GERMAN, FRENCH, ITALIAN to call you TWICE on Saturday. At only $.14/min. I left one message about Xandi and spiking computer keyboards. Xandi MADE low-power transmitters, http://www.gernsback.com/HyperNews/get/forums/resource/226.html like the kind I MIGHT use IF I were going to spike a keyboard [most which use an 8051 http://www.apcatalog.com/cgi-bin/AP?ISBN=0125475705&LOCATION=US&FORM=FORM2] so that the keystrokes would be broadcast. This, of course, defeats crypto attempts to cipher keystrokes. But I DO NOT DO, or have to do, ILLEGAL THINGS for the FBI or any other government agency. I, as a DOE contractor employee, was protected under 10 CFR 708. http://av.yahoo.com/bin/query?p=10+cfr+708&hc=0&hs=0 But 10 CFR 708 does not appear to be working well in my case. Therefore, we had to try other remedies. VOCALL is getting real close to digital cash, one of Orlin Grabbe's interests. http://www.aci.net/kalliste/dcguide.htm I have to do mostly technical work on the digital FX this week but will try to get two notices of appeal to the Tenth circuit written. http://jya.com/whp043098.htm Morales and I, with all the publicity you and Orlin have given us, can go all the way to the Supreme Court with our genocide and crypto deficiency lawsuits. http://jya.com/whpfiles.htm Pro se, of course. Too bad NSA did not take my criticisms of its shift register work more constructively. http://jya.com/da/whpda.htm, click on Appendix S Perhaps NSA should have worked with some of us at Sandia to come-up with fixes to overcome deficiencies. This unpleasantness could have been avoided. I�ve had ideas to improve shift register algorithm operation before. http://www-hto.usc.edu/software/seqaln/doc/html/gfsr.3.html Let�s all hope for settlement of this UNFORTUNATE matter before it gets worse. Later bill From jya at pipeline.com Mon Jun 8 09:08:27 1998 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:08:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Campaign Against Global War on Drugs Message-ID: <199806081608.MAA00773@camel14.mindspring.com> The New York Times today has a two-page ad: "We believe the global war on drugs is now causing more harm than drug abuse itself," with a letter to UN Secretary General Annan signed by hundreds from around the world, across the political spectrum. Web site for list and invitation to sign: http://www.lindesmith.org/news/un.html Public Letter to Kofi Annan June 1, 1998 Mr. Kofi Annan Secretary General United Nations New York, New York United States Dear Secretary General, On the occasion of the United Nations General Assembly Special Session on Drugs in New York on June 8-10, 1998, we seek your leadership in stimulating a frank and honest evaluation of global drug control efforts. We are all deeply concerned about the threat that drugs pose to our children, our fellow citizens and our societies. There is no choice but to work together, both within our countries and across borders, to reduce the harms associated with drugs. The United Nations has a legitimate and important role to play in this regard -- but only if it is willing to ask and address tough questions about the success or failure of its efforts. We believe that the global war on drugs is now causing more harm than drug abuse itself. Every decade the United Nations adopts new international conventions, focused largely on criminalization and punishment, that restrict the ability of individual nations to devise effective solutions to local drug problems. Every year governments enact more punitive and costly drug control measures. Every day politicians endorse harsher new drug war strategies. What is the result? U.N. agencies estimate the annual revenue generated by the illegal drug industry at $400 billion, or the equivalent of roughly eight per cent of total international trade. This industry has empowered organized criminals, corrupted governments at all levels, eroded internal security, stimulated violence, and distorted both economic markets and moral values. These are the consequences not of drug use per se, but of decades of failed and futile drug war policies. In many parts of the world, drug war politics impede public health efforts to stem the spread of HIV, hepatitis and other infectious diseases. Human rights are violated, environmental assaults perpetrated and prisons inundated with hundreds of thousands of drug law violators. Scarce resources better expended on health, education and economic development are squandered on ever more expensive interdiction efforts. Realistic proposals to reduce drug-related crime, disease and death are abandoned in favor of rhetorical proposals to create drug-free societies. Persisting in our current policies will only result in more drug abuse, more empowerment of drug markets and criminals, and more disease and suffering. Too often those who call for open debate, rigorous analysis of current policies, and serious consideration of alternatives are accused of "surrendering." But the true surrender is when fear and inertia combine to shut off debate, suppress critical analysis, and dismiss all alternatives to current policies. Mr. Secretary General, we appeal to you to initiate a truly open and honest dialogue regarding the future of global drug control policies - one in which fear, prejudice and punitive prohibitions yield to common sense, science, public health and human rights. ---------- There are a gang of heads of state gathering at the UN, with cavalcades of limosines and guards racing around Manhattan to indifference, except for me, the only one jumping hurray at the sirens, whirling lights and bristling vans. All the SS guys facing backwards finger shot my middle digit aimed at them, then a sniper behind me put a red dot on it, scaring me shitless, I ran home. From jya at pipeline.com Mon Jun 8 11:50:42 1998 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:50:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Update of Risks of Key Recovery Report Message-ID: <199806081850.OAA09458@camel14.mindspring.com> http://www.cdt.org/crypto/risks98 The Risks of Key Recovery, Key Escrow, and Trusted Third-Party Encryption 1998 Hal Abelson Ross Anderson Steven M. Bellovin Josh Benaloh Matt Blaze Whitfield Diffie John Gilmore Peter G. Neumann Ronald L. Rivest Jeffrey I. Schiller Bruce Schneier Final Report -- 27 May 1997 Updated -- June 8, 1998 ---------- Introduction and CDT's press release: http://jya.com/risks98.htm From hedges at infonex.com Mon Jun 8 14:56:39 1998 From: hedges at infonex.com (Mark Hedges) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 14:56:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Campaign Against Global War on Drugs In-Reply-To: <199806081608.MAA00773@camel14.mindspring.com> Message-ID: And Marijuana remains California's number one cash crop as long as it is illegal... documented way back when by Dukmejian's (sp) agriculture secretary, whom he fired after the report. The cops cite you, confiscate it and smoke it, and everyone's happy because they're all making $480 per ounce from the end consumer on this crazy gene-engineered greenbud designed, catalogued, and bred by the University of California biology departments (esp. Santa Cruz). If it were legal, tobacco shops would stock joints for a tenth the price... they need new markets with the stricter tobacco legislation; maybe there's a lobby. I watched Dennis Peron battle it out with some meat-fisted guy from the Sherrifs' orgs in Congress. The cop went on about how "if we decriminalize marijuana, marijuana would no longer be illegal" and attempted to justify its classification with crack, methamphetamines and heroin. He and Peron were two extremes. Peron, who drove the medical marijuana bill and is also gay, runs under the republican ticket. So, I voted for him in the open primary to screw up their statist ics. I had fun with that open primary. --mark-- -hedges- >The New York Times today has a two-page ad: > >"We believe the global war on drugs is now causing >more harm than drug abuse itself," with a letter to UN >Secretary General Annan signed by hundreds >from around the world, across the political spectrum. >Web site for list and invitation to sign: > > http://www.lindesmith.org/news/un.html > >Public Letter to Kofi Annan > > June 1, 1998 > > Mr. Kofi Annan > Secretary General > United Nations > New York, New York > United States > > Dear Secretary General, > > On the occasion of the United Nations General Assembly Special > Session on Drugs in New York on June 8-10, 1998, we seek your > leadership in stimulating a frank and honest evaluation of global > drug control efforts. 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Taxpayers NOW feel that either they have to pay what the IRS DEMANDS OR get a lawyer to fight the IRS. Hiring a lawyer is usually uneconomical. And an ineffective way to fight the US government. Readers of jya.com want to learn how to do pro se lawsuits EFFECTIVELY. Morales and I are, of course, showing how to do pro se lawsuits effectively and inexpensively. Morales and I are experienced at WINNING appeals at the Tenth Circuit. http://jya.com/whp-10usca.htm But we have yet to address the problem of Tenth Circuits awarding the win to Sandia when, in fact, Sandia lost on the common technicality of not filing its Brief of the Appellees on time. Sandia did not request an enlargement of time in both our cases. In my case Sandia falsified the certificate of service. Tenth Circuit rules forbid stamping FILED on late briefs where permission to file late is not requested at least five days prior to the deadline date. We will be getting around to filing criminal complaint affidavits on the judges and clerks involved. At the right time, of course. But the time has come for Morales and I to file attached NOTICE OF APPEALs. We really should settle these unfortunate cases before matters get WORSE. Later bill UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF NEW MEXICO William H. Payne ) Arthur R. Morales ) ) Plaintiffs, ) ) v ) CIV NO 97 0266 ) SC/DJS ) Lieutenant General Kenneth A. Minihan, USAF ) Director, National Security Agency ) National Security Agency ) ) Defendant ) NOTICE OF APPEAL Santiago E. Campos MEMORANDUM OPINION AND ORDER FILED 98 APR 30 AM 11:45 1 COMES NOW plaintiffs Payne and Morales [Plaintiffs] to exercise their rights under the Federal Rules of Appellate Procedure http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/docs/frap-iop.htm FRAP 4. APPEAL AS OF RIGHT--WHEN TAKEN http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/docs/frap-iop.htm#4 a) Appeal in a Civil Case. (1) Except as provided in paragraph (a)(4) of this Rule, in a civil case in which an appeal is permitted by law as of right from a district court to a court of appeals the notice of appeal required by Rule 3 must be filed with the clerk of the district court within 30 days after the date of entry of the judgment or order appealed from; but if the United States or an officer or agency thereof is a party, the notice of appeal may be filed by any party within 60 days after such entry. If a notice of appeal is mistakenly filed in the court of appeals, the clerk of the court of appeals shall note thereon the date when the clerk received the notice and send it to the clerk of the district court and the notice will be treated as filed in the district court on the date so noted. 2 Defendant Minihan is officer of the United States. 3 Plaintiff�s appeal A NOW, THEREFORE, IT IS ORDERED that sua sponte, Defendant is DEEMED by the Court to be the NSA, and not Lt. Gen. Kenneth A. Minihan. Future captions for this case should reflect this change. B IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that Defendant's Motion to Dismiss Plaintiff Morales is GRANTED. C IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that Plaintiff's Motion for Summary Judgment Based on Evidence from Admissions is DENIED as MOOT. seen at http://jya.com/whp043098.htm to the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals. Respectfully submitted, William H. Payne 13015 Calle de Sandias NE Albuquerque, NM 87111 Arthur R. Morales 1024 Los Arboles NW Albuquerque, NM 87107 Pro se litigants CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE I HEREBY CERTIFY that a copy of the foregoing memorandum was mailed to Lieutenant General Kenneth A. Minihan, USAF, Director, National Security Agency, National Security Agency, 9800 Savage Road, Fort George G. Meade, MD 20755-6000 and hand delivered to Jan E Mitchell, Assistant US Attorney, 9 Floor, Bank of America Building, 4th and Tijeras, ABQ, NM 87102 this Wednesday June 10, 1998. 2 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF NEW MEXICO William H. Payne ) ) Plaintiff, ) ) v ) CIV NO 97 0266 ) SC/DJS ) National Security Agency ) ) Defendant ) NOTICE OF APPEAL from Santiago E. Campos MEMORANDUM OPINION AND ORDER FILED May 21, 1988 11:35 1 COMES NOW plaintiff Payne [Plaintiff] to exercise his rights under the Federal Rules of Appellate Procedure http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/docs/frap-iop.htm FRAP 4. APPEAL AS OF RIGHT--WHEN TAKEN http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/docs/frap-iop.htm#4 a) Appeal in a Civil Case. (1) Except as provided in paragraph (a)(4) of this Rule, in a civil case in which an appeal is permitted by law as of right from a district court to a court of appeals the notice of appeal required by Rule 3 must be filed with the clerk of the district court within 30 days after the date of entry of the judgment or order appealed from; but if the United States or an officer or agency thereof is a party, the notice of appeal may be filed by any party within 60 days after such entry. If a notice of appeal is mistakenly filed in the court of appeals, the clerk of the court of appeals shall note thereon the date when the clerk received the notice and send it to the clerk of the district court and the notice will be treated as filed in the district court on the date so noted. 2 Defendant NSA is an agency of the United States. 3 Plaintiff appeals NOW, THEREFORE, IT IS ORDERED that Plaintiff's Motion to Amend should be, and is hereby, DENIED. seen at http://jya.com/whp052198.htm to the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals. Respectfully submitted, William H. Payne 13015 Calle de Sandias NE Albuquerque, NM 87111 Pro se litigant CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE I HEREBY CERTIFY that a copy of the foregoing memorandum was mailed to Lieutenant General Kenneth A. Minihan, USAF, Director, National Security Agency, National Security Agency, 9800 Savage Road, Fort George G. Meade, MD 20755-6000 and hand delivered to Jan E Mitchell, Assistant US Attorney, 9 Floor, Bank of America Building, 4th and Tijeras, ABQ, NM 87102 this Wednesday June 10, 1998. 2 From hello at asianet.co.th Tue Jun 9 13:58:58 1998 From: hello at asianet.co.th (hello at asianet.co.th) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:58:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: This is fun!!! Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980610010242.007cf180@classic.asianet.co.th> Hi, Would you like to send someone a letter from Bangkok ? Well, you can! Put the letter to be remailed in a larger envelope with U.S.$3 cash and I will post it from Bangkok bearing a Bangkok postmark to any country in the world. If you want the letter to be registered then enclose U.S.$4 cash. I will pay the postage from the enclosed fee. The letter must be lightweight air- mail only containing not more than 2 sheets of writing paper. Here's the address... Snailer P.O. Box 3, Bang Or, 10704, Bangkok, Thailand. ... Please register your mail to me. A must for secret lovers. Great for practical jokes and pranksters. Inform your boss what you think about his ideas. Tell your ex-wife/husband you're living in Bangkok. Go on, give it a try it's great fun. You can put as many envelopes in the larger one as you like but you must enclose the fee for each remailed item. The 10th one goes free! Mail to be remailed is sent the same day I receive it unless you specify a date for it to be remailed. No rcords kept and you are completely anonymous to me so don't put your name and address on any of the envelopes. Have fun!!! *********** From manager at musicblvd.com Tue Jun 9 15:57:34 1998 From: manager at musicblvd.com (http://MusicBLVD.com/) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:57:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: MUSIC BOULEVARD'S SUMMER BLOWOUT SALE! Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980609153459.0079d430@207.67.22.140> Music Boulevard is having a Summer Blowout Sale in celebration of our new look! You'll find everything at the lowest prices of the year. 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From billp at nmol.com Tue Jun 9 16:00:35 1998 From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:00:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FILED 98 JUN-9 PM 3:13 Message-ID: <357DBE05.6960@nmol.com> Tuesday 6/9/98 4:29 PM John Young J Orlin Grabbe Attached is FILED UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT DISTRICT OF NEW MEXICO 98 JUN-9 PM 3:13 Robert M. March Clerk, ALBUQUERQUE NOTICE OF APPEAL. Morales will sign and I will file our joint appeal tomorrow. Morales showed me an e-mail he received from Gilmore http://www.cygnus.com/~gnu/. Gilmore apparently is not interested in pursuing a joint NSA fee waiver lawsuit. The public CAN UNDERSTAND a federal agency squandering their tax dollars on a project which did not work out for the government. Public key chips. Likewise, the public can understand how the government killed Iranians. http://jya.com/whpfiles.htm I conducted a survey on NON-TECHNICAL people to see if they understood what the government did to Iran. Everyone I talked to understood. Trying to get much subtler with crypto with the public or even judges might not work. Judges or the public might give the government the benefit of the doubt on the NATIONAL SECURITY/SECRECY issue. We will see about this. National Security Agency Court Cases May 27, 1998 http://www.jya.com/nsa-cases.htm Later bill UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF NEW MEXICO William H. Payne ) ) Plaintiff, ) ) v ) CIV NO 97 0266 ) SC/DJS ) National Security Agency ) ) Defendant ) NOTICE OF APPEAL from Santiago E. Campos MEMORANDUM OPINION AND ORDER FILED May 21, 1988 11:35 1 COMES NOW plaintiff Payne [Plaintiff] to exercise his rights under the Federal Rules of Appellate Procedure http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/docs/frap-iop.htm FRAP 4. APPEAL AS OF RIGHT--WHEN TAKEN http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/docs/frap-iop.htm#4 a) Appeal in a Civil Case. (1) Except as provided in paragraph (a)(4) of this Rule, in a civil case in which an appeal is permitted by law as of right from a district court to a court of appeals the notice of appeal required by Rule 3 must be filed with the clerk of the district court within 30 days after the date of entry of the judgment or order appealed from; but if the United States or an officer or agency thereof is a party, the notice of appeal may be filed by any party within 60 days after such entry. If a notice of appeal is mistakenly filed in the court of appeals, the clerk of the court of appeals shall note thereon the date when the clerk received the notice and send it to the clerk of the district court and the notice will be treated as filed in the district court on the date so noted. 2 Defendant NSA is an agency of the United States. 3 Plaintiff appeals NOW, THEREFORE, IT IS ORDERED that Plaintiff's Motion to Amend should be, and is hereby, DENIED. seen at http://jya.com/whp052198.htm to the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals. Respectfully submitted, William H. Payne 13015 Calle de Sandias NE Albuquerque, NM 87111 Pro se litigant CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE I HEREBY CERTIFY that a copy of the foregoing memorandum was mailed to Lieutenant General Kenneth A. Minihan, USAF, Director, National Security Agency, National Security Agency, 9800 Savage Road, Fort George G. Meade, MD 20755-6000 and hand delivered to Jan E Mitchell, Assistant US Attorney, 9 Floor, Bank of America Building, 4th and Tijeras, ABQ, NM 87102 this Tuesday June 9, 1998. 2 From 2ancesca9 at net.kitel.co.kr Tue Jun 9 16:36:43 1998 From: 2ancesca9 at net.kitel.co.kr (2ancesca9 at net.kitel.co.kr) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:36:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: hi you Message-ID: <199806092552RAA52171@abcd456.5.26.7> !!!!! YES YOUR XXXX PASSWORD AWAITS YOU !!!!!! > To get your password... Just: Click Here ................ ..................//  From paul at cryptography.com Tue Jun 9 17:57:15 1998 From: paul at cryptography.com (Paul Kocher) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:57:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Differential Power Analysis Message-ID: <199806100055.RAA07091@proxy3.ba.best.com> Information is now available online about three related attacks we have developed at Cryptography Research: Simple Power Analysis, Differential Power Analysis, and High-Order Differential Power Analysis. The basic idea of the attacks is that the power consumption of a device (such as a smartcard) is statistically correlated to the operations it performs. By monitoring the power usage (or electromagnetic radiation, etc.) during cryptographic operations, it is possible to obtain information correlated to the keys. The collected data is then analyzed to actually find the keys. The three attacks use increasingly sophisticated analysis methods. We have implemented the attack against a large number of smartcards, and have found all to be vulnerable. At this point, we do not believe that any smartcards on the market are immune to these analysis techniques. There is now an initial summary on Differential Power Analysis on our web page at http://www.cryptography.com/dpa, and more information will be put on the website as it becomes available. A condensed text version is attached below. At this point, it's fine to talk about this with anyone and to forward this message. Anything you can do to keep discussion of this technically accurate would be much appreciated. Regards, Paul Kocher --------------------------------------------------------------------- Introduction: Power Variation Integrated circuits are built out of individual transistors, which act as voltage-controlled switches. Current flows across the transistor substrate when charge is applied to (or removed from) the gate. This current then delivers charge to the gates of other transistors, interconnect wires, and other circuit loads. The motion of electric charge consumes power and produces electromagnetic radiation, both of which are externally detectable. Therefore, individual transistors produce externally observable electrical behavior. Because microprocessor logic units exhibit regular transistor switching patterns, it is possible to easily identify macro-characteristics (such as microprocessor activity) by the simple monitoring of power consumption. DPA type attacks perform more sophisticated interpretations of this data. Simple Power Analysis (SPA) In SPA attacks, an attacker directly observes a system's power consumption. The amount of power consumed varies depending on the microprocessor instruction performed. Large features such as DES rounds, RSA operations, etc. may be identified, since the operations performed by the microprocessor vary significantly during different parts of these operations. At higher magnification, individual instructions can be differentiated. SPA analysis can, for example, be used to break RSA implementations by revealing differences between multiplication and squaring operations. Similarly, many DES implementations have visible differences within permutations and shifts (e.g., the PC1 permutation or rotates of the C and D registers), and can thus be broken using SPA. While Cryptography Research found many smartcards to be vulnerable to SPA analysis, it is not particularly difficult to build SPA-resistant devices. The figure above [see web site] shows SPA monitoring from a single DES operation performed by a typical smartcard. The upper trace shows the entire encryption operation, including the initial permutation, the 16 DES rounds, and the final permutation. The lower trace is a detailed view of the second and third rounds. Differential Power Analysis (DPA) DPA is a much more powerful attack than SPA, and is much more difficult to prevent. While SPA attacks use primarily visual inspection to identify relevant power fluctuations, DPA attacks use statistical analysis and error correction techniques to extract information correlated to secret keys. Implementation of a DPA attack involves two phases: Data collection and data analysis. Data collection for DPA may be performed as described previously by sampling a device's power consumption during cryptographic operations as a function of time. For DPA, a number of cryptographic operations using the target key are observed. The following steps provide an example of a DPA attack process for technical readers. (More detailed information will follow in the near future.) The following explanation presumes a detailed knowledge of the DES algorithm. 1. Make power consumption measurements of the last few rounds of 1000 DES operations. Each sample set consists of 100000 data points. The data collected can be represented as a two- dimensional array S[0...999][0...99999], where the first index is the operation number and the second index is the sample. For this example, the attacker is also assumed to have the encrypted ciphertexts, C[0...999]. 2. The attacker next chooses a key-dependent selection function D. In this case, the selection function would have the form D(Ki,C), where Ki is some key information and C is a ciphertext. For the example, the attacker's goal will be to find the 6 bits of the DES key that are provided as the input to the DES S box 4, so Ki is a 6-bit input. The result of D(Ki,C) would be obtained by performing the DES initial permutation (IP) on C to obtain R and L, performing the E expansion on R, extracting the 6-bit input to S4, XORing with Ki, and using the XOR result as the input to the standard DES S4 lookup operation. A target bit (for example, the most significant bit) of the S result is selected. The P permutation is applied to the bit. The result of the D(Ki,C) function is set to 0 if the single-bit P permutation result and the corresponding bit in L are equal, and otherwise D(Ki,C) yields 1. 3. A differential average trace T[0...63][0...99999] is constructed from the data set S using the results of the function D. In particular: [See web site for formula] 4. The attacker knows that there is one correct value for Ki; other values are incorrect. The attack goal is to identify the correct value. In the trace T[i][0...99999] where i=Ki, D(i,C[k]) for any k will equal the value of the target bit in L of the DES operation before the DES F function result was XORed. When the target device performed the DES operations, this bit value was stored in registers, manipulated in logic units, etc. -- yielding detectable power consumption differences. Thus, for the portions of the trace T[i=Ki] where that bit was present and/or manipulated, the sample set T[i] will show power consumption biases. However, for samples T[i != Ki], the value of D(i,C[k]) will not correspond to any operation actually computed by the target device. As a result, the trace T[i] will not be correlated to anything actually performed, and will average to zero. (Actually, T[i != Ki] will show small fluctuations due to noise and error that is not statistically filtered out, and due to biases resulting from statistical properties of the S tables. However, the largest biases will correspond to the correct value of Ki.) 5. The steps above are then repeated for the remaining S boxes to find the 48 key bits for the last round. The attack can then be repeated to find the previous round's subkey (or the remaining 8 bits can be found using a quick search.) While the effects of a single transistor switching would be normally be impossible to identify from direct observations of a device's power consumption, the statistical operations used in DPA are able to reliably identify extraordinarily small differences in power consumption. The figure below [see web site] is a DPA trace from a typical smartcard, showing the power consumption differences from selecting one input bit to a DES encryption function used as a random number generator. (The function of D was chosen to equal the value of plaintext bit 5.) The input initial permutation places this bit as part of the R register, affecting the first-round F function computation and results. Round 2 effects (due to the use of counter mode) are also strong. The trace was produced using 1000 measurements, although the signals would be discernable with far fewer. High-Order Differential Power Analysis (HO-DPA) While the DPA techniques described above analyze information across a single event between samples, high-order DPA may be used to correlate information between multiple cryptographic suboperations. Naive attempts to address DPA attacks can introduce or miss vulnerabilities to HO-DPA attacks. In a high-order DPA attack, signals collected from multiple sources, signals collected using different measuring techniques, and signals with different temporal offsets are combined during application of DPA techniques. Additionally, more general differential functions (D) may be applied. More advanced signal processing functions may also be applied. The basic HO-DPA processing function is thus a more general form of the of the standard DPA function, for example: [see web site for formula] Today HO-DPA are primarily of interest to system implementers and researchers, since no actual systems are known that are vulnerable to HO-DPA that are not also vulnerable to DPA. However, DPA countermeasures must also address HO-DPA attacks to be effective. Solving the Problems Cryptography Research has undertaken a substantial development effort to understand hardware security issues and their countermeasures. Cryptography Research has pending patents directed to the technologies and techniques below. DPA and related attacks span the traditional engineering levels of abstraction. While many previously-known cryptanalytic attacks (such as brute force) can be analyzed by studying cryptographic algorithms, DPA vulnerabilities result from transistor and circuit electrical behaviors which propagate to expose logic gates, microprocessor operation, and software implementations. This ultimately compromises the cryptography. Techniques for addressing DPA and related attacks can be incorporated at a variety of levels: Transistor: No feasible alternatives to semiconductors are available today, but alternate computation technologies (such as pure optical computing) may exist in the future. Cryptography Research has developed gate-level logic designs that leak substantially less information. Circuit, Logic, Microprocessor, and Software: In physically large systems, well-filtered power supplies and physical shielding can make attacks infeasible. For systems with physical or cost constraints, Cryptography Research has developed hardware and software techniques that include ways of reducing the amount of information leaked, introducing noise into measurements, decorrelating internal variables from secret parameters, and temporally decorrelating cryptographic operations. In applications where attackers do not have physical possession of the device performing cryptographic operations, such techniques can be effective. However, because externally-monitorable characteristics remain fundamentally correlated to cryptographic operations, we do not recommend these approaches as a complete solution for applications where attackers might gain physical possession of devices. Software and Algorithms: The most effective solution is to design and implementing cryptosystems with the assumption that information will leak. Cryptography Research has developed approaches for securing existing cryptographic algorithms (including RSA, DES, DSA, Diffie- Hellman, ElGamal, and Elliptic Curve systems) to make systems remain secure even though the underlying circuits may leak information. In cases where the physical hardware leaks excessively, the leak reduction and masking techniques are also required. _____________________________________________________________________ Paul Kocher President, Cryptography Research Tel: 415-397-0123 (FAX: -0127) 870 Market St., Suite 1088 E-mail: paul at cryptography.com San Francisco, CA 94102 _____________________________________________________________________ Paul Kocher President, Cryptography Research Tel: 415-397-0123 (FAX: -0127) 870 Market St., Suite 1088 E-mail: paul at cryptography.com San Francisco, CA 94102 From gwb at gwb.com.au Tue Jun 9 19:38:49 1998 From: gwb at gwb.com.au (Global Web Builders) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:38:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Media lies exposed Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980610022819.00b397f4@mail.pronet.net.au> G'day One Nation supporters in NSW Channel 9 has embarked on a blatant campaign of misinformation against One Nation over the last two weeks. The timing in the lead up to the Queensland State election and the resulting impact on voters cannot be ignored by ANY Australian who believes in freedom of speech and the democracy that we hold so dear. Ray Martin exposed: http://www.gwb.com.au/un.html 60 Minutes discredited: http://www.gwb.com.au/60.html Below is a copy of an article that appeared in Perth's Sunday times recently. GWB Scott Balson Judge says no to black state by Joe Poprzeonzy A former Chief Justice of the Australian High Court has urged that any claims by activists for the creation of a separate Aboriginal nation or independent black states be rejected. Sir Harry Gibbs said Arnhein Land, parts of central Australia,, north west WA, islands in the Torres Strait or off northern Australia would be targeted for Aboriginal independence. In a keynote address yesterday at a Perth meeting of the influential conservative group, the Samuel Griffith Society, he said separate laws were emerging in Australia to cover black and white Australians. "There is no doubt that any claims by the Aborigional peoples to determine their own political status, and to assert a right to sovereignty or independence, must be rejected as contrary to the interests of Australia as a whole," Sir Harry said. "Just as any attempt to put the Aboriginal peoples outside the Australian nation must be firmly opposed, so should any attempt to grant statehood, or any degree of autonomy to any particular group or Aboriginal people. "It would obviously be impracticable... to grant sovereign or dominant power to the Aboriginal people in areas such as country towns in which persons entirely of European descent were as numerous as the descendants of the Aboriginal people, many of whom would themselves have had European ancestors. "Experience elsewhere has shown that associations of States, Federal or otherwise, do not endure when one state is composed of persons distinctly different in race, religion or culture from those of another. "The future existence of Australia would be put at risk if statehood or any form of autonomy were granted to small communities chosen on the grounds of race in areas of great strategic importance to this country." Sir Harry who was Chief Justice of Australia between 1981 and 1987 said some people were arguing that there was a right of self-determination within countries. He said groups were working within the UN for the development of such doctrines. From hugh at toad.com Wed Jun 10 02:48:05 1998 From: hugh at toad.com (Hugh Daniel) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 02:48:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: CYPHERPUNKS INVADE BERKELEY! June 98 Physical Meeting Announcement Message-ID: <199806100948.CAA04922@toad.com> June's meeting will be at Soda Hall in Berkeley, near Hearst&LeRoy. There's a map at http://www.berkeley.edu/campus_map/maps/ABCD345.html Ian has reserved the 4th floor lounge and the adjacent patio in Soda Hall on the UC Berkeley campus for the June 13 meeting. There's power, whiteboard, and Metricom coverage in the room. If there are computer demos needed, we can go down the hall to my office. The biggest problem will be parking; Ian is having the staff here look in to that, but he may need to know _in advance_ who's going to need parking permits. Otherwise, you'll have to pop out every so often to feed the meter. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart at pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639 From net138 at mail.domain-serv.com Wed Jun 10 03:31:13 1998 From: net138 at mail.domain-serv.com (net138 at mail.domain-serv.com) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 03:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Don't Risk Losing That Great Domain Name! 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I have it posted here with the others at - http://members.aol.com/WhtsAMetaU/ofir.html I'd like expert opinion from the Cypherpunks (and any FBI agents that may happen to be lurking the list :-), actually, ESPECIALLY any FBI agents that may be working the list ;-) ) as to whether you think it's the same person. Look at it as if he's losing weight over the years. Write me in private if you wish, and thanks in advance! Stan From 2ncesca9 at net.kitel.co.kr Wed Jun 10 09:51:16 1998 From: 2ncesca9 at net.kitel.co.kr (2ncesca9 at net.kitel.co.kr) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:51:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: hello hello !! Message-ID: <199806102819IAA55011@abcd456.246.250.46> !!!!! YES YOUR XXXX PASSWORD AWAITS YOU !!!!!! > To get your password... Just: Click Here ................ ..................// From billp at nmol.com Wed Jun 10 13:54:36 1998 From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 13:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Second Notice of Appeal FILED Message-ID: <357EF1F0.6569@nmol.com> Wednesday 6/10/98 2:34 PM John Young The second attached NOTICE OF APPEAL was stamped FILED UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT DISTRICT OF NEW MEXICO 98 JUN 10 AM 9:52 Robert M. March Clerk, ALBUQUERQUE I put stamped copies of both in the mail to you. The government only MAYBE understands FORMAL actions. Informal actions, like letters etc, go into the waste paper basket. Even formal actions such as the FOIA, PA, lawsuit, and criminal complaint affidavit the government will try to BLACK HOLE. While, naturally, we would like to settle this unfortunate matter so that we can all get on to more constructive pursuits, it appears that we will be doing a FORMAL ACTION at least TWICE through the Tenth Circuit court of appeals. Later bill UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF NEW MEXICO William H. Payne ) Arthur R. Morales ) ) Plaintiffs, ) ) v ) CIV NO 97 0266 ) SC/DJS ) Lieutenant General Kenneth A. Minihan, USAF ) Director, National Security Agency ) National Security Agency ) ) Defendant ) NOTICE OF APPEAL Santiago E. Campos MEMORANDUM OPINION AND ORDER FILED 98 APR 30 AM 11:45 1 COMES NOW plaintiffs Payne and Morales [Plaintiffs] to exercise their rights under the Federal Rules of Appellate Procedure http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/docs/frap-iop.htm FRAP 4. APPEAL AS OF RIGHT--WHEN TAKEN http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/docs/frap-iop.htm#4 a) Appeal in a Civil Case. (1) Except as provided in paragraph (a)(4) of this Rule, in a civil case in which an appeal is permitted by law as of right from a district court to a court of appeals the notice of appeal required by Rule 3 must be filed with the clerk of the district court within 30 days after the date of entry of the judgment or order appealed from; but if the United States or an officer or agency thereof is a party, the notice of appeal may be filed by any party within 60 days after such entry. If a notice of appeal is mistakenly filed in the court of appeals, the clerk of the court of appeals shall note thereon the date when the clerk received the notice and send it to the clerk of the district court and the notice will be treated as filed in the district court on the date so noted. 2 Defendant Minihan is officer of the United States. 3 Plaintiffs appeal A NOW, THEREFORE, IT IS ORDERED that sua sponte, Defendant is DEEMED by the Court to be the NSA, and not Lt. Gen. Kenneth A. Minihan. Future captions for this case should reflect this change. B IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that Defendant's Motion to Dismiss Plaintiff Morales is GRANTED. C IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that Plaintiff's Motion for Summary Judgment Based on Evidence from Admissions is DENIED as MOOT. seen at http://jya.com/whp043098.htm to the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals. Respectfully submitted, William H. Payne 13015 Calle de Sandias NE Albuquerque, NM 87111 Arthur R. Morales 1024 Los Arboles NW Albuquerque, NM 87107 Pro se litigants CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE I HEREBY CERTIFY that a copy of the foregoing memorandum was mailed to Lieutenant General Kenneth A. Minihan, USAF, Director, National Security Agency, National Security Agency, 9800 Savage Road, Fort George G. Meade, MD 20755-6000 and hand delivered to Jan E Mitchell, Assistant US Attorney, 9 Floor, Bank of America Building, 3rd and Tijeras, ABQ, NM 87102 this Wednesday June 10, 1998. 2 From nobody at REPLAY.COM Wed Jun 10 14:00:48 1998 From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 14:00:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: backdoor trojan in ICKill Message-ID: <199806102100.XAA27780@basement.replay.com> ----Forwarded text-------------------------------------------------- Subject: backdoor trojan in ICKill Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:44:28 -0400 From: Bachrach To: BUGTRAQ at NETSPACE.ORG First off, I'm not 100% sure if this is the apropriate forum for this since it's not really a weakness, but rather a programmer who is putting backdoors into some programs. Then again technically that's an exploits... Oh I don't know. If this is the wrong place then I apologize profusely for the waste of bandwidth and plead ignorance, but here goes: Well, chances are none of you guys have ever used this program, or even heard of it, but there are alot (35,000) of people who have. I originally downloaded it becasue I've been researching a lot of the weaknesses in the ICQ protocol, (which has become easier as time has gone on. :)) Anyway, after you run it, (ICKill), it creates a file in the directory called 1.exe that acts as a fake explorer. 1.exe accesses your regedit database, and copies itself to windows/system. It changes the regedit so that the fake one will run on startup. It acts mostly the same as the normal explorer with one very crucial execption. It contacts a host (I still can't figure out which one), and executes the commands that are embedded within a text file on the computer. Anyone see it yet? Backdoor city. I contacted the author (who left his e-mail address in the readme), and he's the one who explained th backdoor thing. He also told me a few other things that made me write up to this group. He said that he had gotten almost 35,000 different people's systems calling up his computer at one point; essentuially he has backdoors to 35,000 systems accross the globe. When I asked him why he would go through all the trouble to do this he gave me two reasons: 1. IF (and he emphasized the if) he was a hacker he could use a couple of other people's computers as hops when hacking into a system. Kind of nasty for the sysadmin trying to trace a breaking huh? 2. To quote him "And the backdoors can auto-uptade themselves.. so Imagine I can code a virus like backdoor... Whoaaa! This will be like THAT internet worm.." 3. He also said "Imagine also.. 35,000 backdoored (yeah, I reached this number) connections pinging or SYN flooding some server.." Well if anyone out there is using or has ever used ICKill then get rid of it. I have actually set up a page on this to both inform people and explain how to get rid of all traces of the program that I currently am able to at http://members.tripod.com/~hakz/ICQ/index.html That site also has all of the letters I wrote to him and he wrote to me if you want to see the entire things. It's also got some other info I couldn't fit into this message, including all of the mistakes the author made (guess he needed better beta testing). My last question is this: if one person has backdoors into thousands of computer systems, doesn't that pose some sort of risk to the interent community as a whole? There's one person who's been saying that I should notify the FBI about this. As you can see decided to start here first. From zooko at xs4all.nl Wed Jun 10 15:23:36 1998 From: zooko at xs4all.nl (Zane Lewkowicz) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 15:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [SPAM] No really. It _is_ spam. It's spam, i tell you. You've been warned! Message-ID: <199806102223.AAA20590@xs2.xs4all.nl> From: incognito at incognito.com Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 To: (Recipient list suppressed) Subject: This is fun!!! Hi, Would you like to send someone a letter from Bangkok? Well, you can! Put the letter to be remailed in a larger envelope with US$3 cash and I will post it from Bangkok bearing a Bangkok postmark to any country in the world. If you want the letter to go registered then enclose US$4 cash. I will pay the postage from the enclosed fee. The letter must be lightweight air-mail only containing not more than 2 sheets of writing paper. Here's the address... Incognito P.O. Box 3, 10704, Bang Orr, Bangkok, Thailand. ... Please register your mail to me. - -------------------------------- A must for secret lovers. Great for practical jokes and pranksters. Inform your boss what you think about her/his ideas. Tell your ex-wife/husband you're living in Bangkok. Go on, give it a try it's great fun. You can put as many envelopes in the larger one as you like but you must enclose the fee for each remailed item. The 10th letter goes free! Here's another way... 1. Send US$10 cash and I'll send you three picture postcards of various places in Thailand. I send them to you and you write them out and post back to me for remailing. Or... 2. Enclose a slip of paper with the US$10 giving details of names and addresses and messages to go on the three postcards. Mail to be remailed is sent the same day it is received unless you specify a date for it to be remailed. No records kept and you are completely unknown to me so don't put your name and address on any of the envelopes. Please send a copy of this email to your friends. Have fun!!! *********** ------- End of Forwarded Message From StanSqncrs at aol.com Wed Jun 10 23:53:31 1998 From: StanSqncrs at aol.com (StanSqncrs at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:53:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Nobody Report Message-ID: <3b5db7e4.357f7ec6@aol.com> So 'Nobody' (Tim May) has joined FreeGroup. Of course, shortly after that he revealed himself (in multiple fuckups) and he tried to cause a big ruckus, but that's no big deal. Actually, the alias that he joined the group under seems to be pretty nice guy (when he's not abusing the addressing. ;-) ) So, all's well that ends well, or is it, Tim? [BIG GRIN!] Stan, FreeGroup - "Just Say It!" http://members.aol.com/WhtsAMetaU/FreeGroup.html From properties at hotmail.com Thu Jun 11 06:01:58 1998 From: properties at hotmail.com (properties at hotmail.com) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 06:01:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY Message-ID: <306724452//JHGREW101> IF YOU ARE NOT MAKING IN THE HIGH (6) FIGURES, REPLY WITH YOUR FAX NUMBER . OFFSHORE TRUST HIRING AGENTS TO MARKET GUARNTEED HIGH INTEREST TO THE CLIENT AND AGENTS. WE HAVE AGENTS MAKING IN EXCESS $1,000,000.00 PER YEAR NOT WORKING FULL TIME. YOU CAN HIRE OTHER AGENTS ALONE AND EARN IN THE (6) FIGURES BY JUST RECEIVING THE 4% OVERRIDE ON THE RECRUITED AGENTS BUSINESS. YOU ARE 100% PROTECTED BY HAVING THE RECRUITED AGENT SIGN THE APPLICATION AND YOU ALSO SIGN IT WITH HIM AS THE RECRUITER AND YOU AS THE RECRUITER SEND IN THE APPLICATION .ANY ONE OUTSIDE OF THE USA PLEASE SEND ALONG WITH YOUR FAX NUMBER, YOUR COUNTRY CODE. THANKS From E.J.Koops at kub.nl Thu Jun 11 08:22:48 1998 From: E.J.Koops at kub.nl (Bert-Jaap Koops) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 08:22:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Crypto Law Survey updated Message-ID: <920DAEE2DA7@frw3.kub.nl> I have just updated my survey of existing and envisaged cryptography laws and regulations. See the Crypto Law Survey at http://cwis.kub.nl/~frw/people/koops/lawsurvy.htm This update includes: -update on Wassenaar (to be revised), EU (proposal for new dual-use regulation; Copenhagen hearing; ETSI rejects RH; law-enforcement policy paper), Birma (domestic regulation), Brazil (no regulation plans), Germany (no regulation before elections), Kazakhstan (domestic controls), Malaysia (CA's must decrypt during search), Pakistan (regulation on sale and use), Spain (export), Sweden (export), US (Karn; Junger; new version Kerrey-McCain; Gore letter) - URLs added to EU (conditional access regulation), US (BXA Annual Report; Junger page) I have also started a mailing list to announce updates, to which you can subscribe by sending a message to with subject "subscribe CLS-update". Kind regards, Bert-Jaap --------------------------------------------------------------------- Bert-Jaap Koops tel +31 13 466 8101 Center for Law, Administration and facs +31 13 466 8149 Informatization, Tilburg University e-mail E.J.Koops at kub.nl -------------------------------------------------- Postbus 90153 | This world's just mad enough to have been made | 5000 LE Tilburg | by the Being his beings into being prayed. | The Netherlands | (Howard Nemerov) | --------------------------------------------------------------------- http://cwis.kub.nl/~frw/people/koops/bertjaap.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------- From gnu at toad.com Thu Jun 11 12:16:50 1998 From: gnu at toad.com (John Gilmore) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:16:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: President's Export Council Subcommittee on Encryption: June 22 Message-ID: <199806111916.MAA25195@toad.com> [It might be interesting for DC-area cypherpunks to visit and see what they're doing. This council was appointed to advise the Commerce Dept and the President about export of encryption. --gnu] President's Export Council Subcommittee on Encryption Meeting June 22, 1998 Ronald Reagan Building, 1300 Pennsylvania Ave. NW, Washington DC Conference Room Hemisphere A Agenda 9.00 Opening Remarks Chair of the Subcommittee Public Comments 9.30 BXA Updates William Reinsch 10.00 Legislative Panel Briefing unpublished as to who will be doing the briefing 11.00 Closed Session 4.00 Open to public Rm 4832 Commerce Department Briefing by each of the 3 Working Groups on the topic 4.45 End From jya at pipeline.com Thu Jun 11 12:33:27 1998 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 12:33:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: AF Docs on Comsec and Intel Message-ID: <199806111933.PAA05189@dewdrop2.mindspring.com> The USAF offers hundreds of documents at its Electronic Publications site: http://afpubs.hq.af.mil/elec-products/pubs-pages/ We've mirrored listings for dozens of docs in two categories: Communications and Information: http://www.jya.com/af-33-pubs.htm Intelligence: http://www.jya.com/af-14-pubs.htm And, in case there's difficulty accessing, we've mirrored: "Instruction on the Operation of the STU-III": http://www.jya.com/33020900.pdf (534K PDF) "Cryptographic Access": http://www.jya.com/33021000.pdf (129K PDF) "Emission Security": http://www.jya.com/33020300.pdf (296K PDF) "Controlled Access Program": http://www.jya.com/33022900.pdf (170K PDF) "Sources of Intelligence": http://www.jya.com/af-intel.htm From nicholas at doitnow.com Thu Jun 11 20:22:38 1998 From: nicholas at doitnow.com (rocker) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 20:22:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Masterkey Message-ID: <000901bd95b1$143660e0$0c2bd3cf@nick> Hello, � ��� I have been trying for the last 3 months trying to get a copy of masterkey. I read an artical you put on eff.org about masterkey, and how you used it. I was wondering if you could tell me were to go and get masterkey or if you could send it to me vie E-MAIL or just what. � ������������������������������������������� W/B ������������������������������������������� Rocker From bill.stewart at pobox.com Thu Jun 11 21:28:56 1998 From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 21:28:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FWD: backdoor trojan in ICKill In-Reply-To: <199806102100.XAA27780@basement.replay.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980611174656.008163d0@popd.ix.netcom.com> At 11:00 PM 6/10/98 +0200, a remailer user forwarded a message From: Bachrach about a major security backdoor in ICKill, a utility that apparently augments or hangs around ICQ - it's a little-documented feature designed into the system rather than a bug or unexpected behaviour. More information is at > http://members.tripod.com/~hakz/ICQ/index.html ... >My last question is this: if one person has backdoors into thousands of >computer systems, doesn't that pose some sort of risk to the interent >community as a whole? There's one person who's been saying that I should >notify the FBI about this. As you can see decided to start here first. Don't tell the FBI - they'll just want to use it themselves. :-! Is there some way to locate and reach ICKill users directly? Do they show up on ICQ in some useful manner? (I don't use either of the products....) Directly notifying them could help the problem, or at least generate a number of emails to the author who put the feature in there. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart at pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639 From DarkKnight at Elitehackers.org Thu Jun 11 23:04:32 1998 From: DarkKnight at Elitehackers.org (Dark Knight) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 23:04:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FWD: backdoor trojan in ICKill In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980611174656.008163d0@popd.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: > At 11:00 PM 6/10/98 +0200, a remailer user forwarded > a message From: Bachrach > about a major security backdoor in ICKill, a utility that > apparently augments or hangs around ICQ - it's a little-documented > feature designed into the system rather than a bug or unexpected behaviour. > More information is at > > http://members.tripod.com/~hakz/ICQ/index.html > .... > >My last question is this: if one person has backdoors into thousands of > >computer systems, doesn't that pose some sort of risk to the interent > >community as a whole? There's one person who's been saying that I should > >notify the FBI about this. As you can see decided to start here first. > > Don't tell the FBI - they'll just want to use it themselves. :-! > > Is there some way to locate and reach ICKill users directly? > Do they show up on ICQ in some useful manner? > (I don't use either of the products....) Directly notifying them > could help the problem, or at least generate a number of > emails to the author who put the feature in there. Well the way I see it the author of ICKill told the company that puts out ICQ that you have this problem and you need to fix it.. The way he's looking at it is fix this because it's a problem. They did not fix it after his requests to have them fix this so he shared it. I don't think he did anything wrong in this case. Any way like the FBI could figure out how to use it I don't give them that much credit as it is. |)ark |(night DEFINITION. 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From gwb at gwb.com.au  Sun Jun 14 14:53:52 1998
From: gwb at gwb.com.au (Global Web Builders)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 14:53:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Pauline Hanson deceived - Toyota need to know
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980614214444.00718f6c@mail.pronet.net.au>


Dear One Nation supporter in NSW

It is with great sadness that I have to alert you, yet again, to the
unethical behaviour of Channel 9's 60 MINUTES programme. This follows the
programme "A CALL TO ARMS" on 7th June in which they tried, without
foundation, to link One Nation to "US extremist militia" just days before
the state election.

See: http://www.gwb.com.au/60.html

Last night a segment on 60 MINUTES featured One Nation and an extensive
interview between Paul Lyneham and Pauline Hanson. 

Her appearance made a liar of her as she is on the record as saying that she
would not again be interviewed by 60 MINUTES.

Pauline Hanson told me this morning, 

QUOTE:

"There was no mention about my interview with Paul Lyneham being for 60
Minutes. The programme approached me a couple of weeks ago and I turned them
down. I feel deceived by 60 Minutes."

"I was shocked when I saw my interview with Lyneham appearing on Sixty
Minutes last night. 60 Minutes know that I do not want to appear on their
programme." 

END QUOTE.

This behaviour cannot be helpful to the excellent reputation of their major
sponsor Toyota.

You may contact them at

toyota at spike.com.au

Please take a moment to tell them how you feel about these issues.

GWB




Scott Balson






From cabletv at 208.4.7.8  Sun Jun 14 15:04:11 1998
From: cabletv at 208.4.7.8 (cabletv at 208.4.7.8)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 15:04:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: CABLE BOX DESCRAMBLERS
Message-ID: <989.283923.817969 cabletv@208.4.7.8>


To be removed from our mailing list please reply with "REMOVE" in the subject 
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From schneier at counterpane.com  Sun Jun 14 16:06:56 1998
From: schneier at counterpane.com (Bruce Schneier)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 16:06:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Twofish soruce code outside the U.S.
Message-ID: <199806142306.SAA00045@mixer.visi.com>


It's time to play the dumb export control game.

I have to take steps to prevent non-US and non-Canadian persons from downloading the Twofish source.

However, if someone outside the US manages to get their hands on the Twofish source from my website and puts it up on their website, please let me know.

I would like very much to link to it, so others can get the Twofish code.

Thanks,
Bruce
**********************************************************************
Bruce Schneier, President, Counterpane Systems     Phone: 612-823-1098
101 E Minnehaha Parkway, Minneapolis, MN  55419      Fax: 612-823-1590
                                            http://www.counterpane.com






From schneier at counterpane.com  Sun Jun 14 17:00:43 1998
From: schneier at counterpane.com (Bruce Schneier)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 17:00:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Converting my Twofish PostScript file to pdf
Message-ID: <199806150000.TAA06546@mixer.visi.com>


We have been unable to do this.  We've tried, a few times, and failed miserably.

If anyone has the correct tools to do a clean conversation from Postscript into pdf, please do so and send me the pdf file.  I will post it.

Thanks,
Bruce
**********************************************************************
Bruce Schneier, President, Counterpane Systems     Phone: 612-823-1098
101 E Minnehaha Parkway, Minneapolis, MN  55419      Fax: 612-823-1590
                                            http://www.counterpane.com






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From: realtor at electronicpromotion.com (realtor at electronicpromotion.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 19:32:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: REALTOR.com Specials!!
Message-ID: <199806150232.TAA16422@toad.com>


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From hjfdujf at juno.com  Sun Jun 14 20:17:41 1998
From: hjfdujf at juno.com (hjfdujf at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 20:17:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: A Unique Email Advertisement
Message-ID: <>


HELLO
The following information is not meant to spam or upset anyone, that is why we include
Advertisement in the subject line to give you an option to delete before you open the
message. We are a Reliable Internet Company that does full Internet Marketing. 
Whatever your needs to market your business or product, A.I.M. can help you achieve
your success. Please do not treat this as just another piece of junk mail, we are Aimed to
your success.

A.I.M. was established in 1994 and has helped many people on the
Internet market their business and products successfully.  We do not sell random bulk
email lists, nor do we advertise Adult Sites or Chain Letters.

Right now the largest form of communication is done through the Internet, and 1998 will
be  another record breaking year.  There are over 60 million people that have Internet
access world wide, and that number continues to rise at a rate of over 40,000 per month. 
The best way to market any product or service is through the Internet, and random bulk
mail is not the way to go.  You may ask, why am I sending you this ONE piece of email;
to get my information out so that others can follow the same practices of Internet
advertising.  The Internet community would benefit from direct advertising!

Now you ask what can we offer you.....

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that are interested in what you offer. Say, for instance, you would like to send a newsletter
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Some of our clients are getting results of 1-40%.  Targeted mailings start at $50 per
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10000 targeted email addresses and we mail $500
100000 targeted email addresses and we mail $1,000
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We offer a guarantee that our lists will be targeted to your topic.  We keep a master file on
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(1) Targeted Emails in the amount of 200,000 per week
(2) Posting your website to BBS (Internet Bulletin Board Systems Related to your topics)
(3)  URL links to other sites related to your topics
(3) Newsgroup Postings (1000) per month
(4)  Banner Ads to related subject searches
(5) Website Submissions to the search engines with a guaranteed 1st page placement to
Infoseek and submissions to the other top 8 as well as 400 other search engines

All of the postings, submissions, banner ad and URL advertising will be done with your
reply email address so that you have a copy of every placement and you know where your
ads are on the Internet.


Total price for complete marketing package $2500.00 per month

IF YOU have a business, product, or just want to get your information out; you have no
need to look any further.  A.I.M.  is here to help!!  

Now as you can see we are a full service company, and we can help you with any of your 
advertising needs.

Please call us toll free at 1-800-942-7913 today!


We look forward to hearing from you and are happy to answer any questions that you may
have.  Once again, we give you our guarantee that this is the only piece of email that you
receive from us. We wish you success now and in the future!

Again our toll free number is 800-942-7913
our fax # 732-367-2229

We accept...Visa/MasterCard/American Express or check by fax

Thank you










From hjfdujf at juno.com  Sun Jun 14 20:17:41 1998
From: hjfdujf at juno.com (hjfdujf at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 20:17:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: A Unique Email Advertisement
Message-ID: <>


HELLO
The following information is not meant to spam or upset anyone, that is why we include
Advertisement in the subject line to give you an option to delete before you open the
message. We are a Reliable Internet Company that does full Internet Marketing. 
Whatever your needs to market your business or product, A.I.M. can help you achieve
your success. Please do not treat this as just another piece of junk mail, we are Aimed to
your success.

A.I.M. was established in 1994 and has helped many people on the
Internet market their business and products successfully.  We do not sell random bulk
email lists, nor do we advertise Adult Sites or Chain Letters.

Right now the largest form of communication is done through the Internet, and 1998 will
be  another record breaking year.  There are over 60 million people that have Internet
access world wide, and that number continues to rise at a rate of over 40,000 per month. 
The best way to market any product or service is through the Internet, and random bulk
mail is not the way to go.  You may ask, why am I sending you this ONE piece of email;
to get my information out so that others can follow the same practices of Internet
advertising.  The Internet community would benefit from direct advertising!

Now you ask what can we offer you.....

CUSTOM TARGETED EMAIL ADDRESSES
No matter what your target is, we can compile a great list for you of people or businesses
that are interested in what you offer. Say, for instance, you would like to send a newsletter
out to people interested in MLM; we can compile a list for you of people currently
involved in MLM.  If you would like a list of people looking for a business opportunity,
we can compile that list for you. You tell us your target; we will compile that list.  We can
even target your list geographically.
example...If your business is selling CD�s, and your company is based in NY; we can
gather a list of people in NY interested in CD�s.  We have a client that is involved in
MLM, who asked us to target 1000 opportunity seekers to start.  To his surprise he got 7
new people in his downline from just that one mailing.  Another client wanted to send a
letter out to birdwatchers.  We targeted 5000 birdwatchers for him; and he, also, became a
very happy client of ours. We have targeted.. investors, businesses, International
addresses,women, men, age groups, cites, states, doctors, lawyers, etc....

Some of our clients are getting results of 1-40%.  Targeted mailings start at $50 per
thousand, and we can offer you a better price at higher quantities.

Complete Pricing for Targeted Email

1000 targeted email addresses $50 for us to email $50=$100
2000 targeted email addresses $85 for us to email $85=$170
5000 targeted email addresses $250 (no charge for us to email)
10000 targeted email addresses and we mail $500
100000 targeted email addresses and we mail $1,000
1 million  guaranteed targeted email addresses and we mail $5,000
We offer a guarantee that our lists will be targeted to your topic.  We keep a master file on
all of our clients so if you order again you will never get any duplicate addresses from us

EMAILING
We can do the email for you and have all of the replies come directly to your email
address.  If you prefer to do the mailing yourself, we sell email software as well.
Here is a few:
Rapid Fire Mail Server....Turns Your Computer into a mail server $495.00 (free demo)
Stealth Mass Mailer...Sends out email at a rate of 100,000+ per hour $395.00(free demo)
Mail Pusher....The newest in Bulk Email Software (great program) $300.00 (free demo)


OTHER SERVICES OFFERED BY A.I.M.

WEBSITE MARKETING PACKAGE

We can place your website to the top of any given search engine. Our best results come
from Infoseek.
Guarantee top 10 listing.
$300.00  first month  $300.00 every month there after

COMPLETE WEB MARKETING PACKAGE

(1) Targeted Emails in the amount of 200,000 per week
(2) Posting your website to BBS (Internet Bulletin Board Systems Related to your topics)
(3)  URL links to other sites related to your topics
(3) Newsgroup Postings (1000) per month
(4)  Banner Ads to related subject searches
(5) Website Submissions to the search engines with a guaranteed 1st page placement to
Infoseek and submissions to the other top 8 as well as 400 other search engines

All of the postings, submissions, banner ad and URL advertising will be done with your
reply email address so that you have a copy of every placement and you know where your
ads are on the Internet.


Total price for complete marketing package $2500.00 per month

IF YOU have a business, product, or just want to get your information out; you have no
need to look any further.  A.I.M.  is here to help!!  

Now as you can see we are a full service company, and we can help you with any of your 
advertising needs.

Please call us toll free at 1-800-942-7913 today!


We look forward to hearing from you and are happy to answer any questions that you may
have.  Once again, we give you our guarantee that this is the only piece of email that you
receive from us. We wish you success now and in the future!

Again our toll free number is 800-942-7913
our fax # 732-367-2229

We accept...Visa/MasterCard/American Express or check by fax

Thank you










From replynow at mail.com  Sun Jun 14 23:37:17 1998
From: replynow at mail.com (replynow at mail.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 23:37:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: The One Stop - Music Shop
Message-ID: <989.283923.714193 replynow@mail.com>


Dear Webmaster,

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We propose the following:

1) URGENT REPLY REQUESTED!!! If you are interested be our 
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mailto:reply-now at highpro.com?Subject=ALAMO_MIRROR_SITES

NOTE! Agents will be accepted on a first come-first serve basis.

2) Please reply ASAP to us with the following information

   a) Homepage URL
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   c) URL of your ALAMO MIRROR SITE
   d) E-mail address of your ALAMO REPRESENTATIVE/WEBMASTER

mailto:reply-now at highpro.com?Subject=ALAMO_MIRROR_SITES

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All incoming enquiries should be forwarded to us for processing. 
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From info at digfrontiers.com  Sun Jun 14 23:52:54 1998
From: info at digfrontiers.com (info at digfrontiers.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 23:52:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Digital Frontiers Newsletter #2 - Correction
Message-ID: <199806150652.BAA10668@nero.interaccess.com>


Digital Frontiers Newsletter #2
-------------------------------
Thank you for your interest in Digital Frontiers web optimization
products. This email is to inform you of some recent changes to our
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apologies -- please reply to info at digfrontiers.com. 

We apologize if you have received more than one copy of this newsletter - we're trying to improve our list management software, but are still working out the kinks.

*** 10% Off on all HVS Products! ***
------------------------------------
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*** HVS Animator Version 1.03 ***
---------------------------------
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*** NEW! HVS ColorGIF 2.0/HVS Animator Pro Bundle ***
-----------------------------------------------------
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---------------
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*** HVS GIFCruncher Update ***
------------------------------
The response to HVS GIFCruncher, our free GIF optimization service, has been overwhelming. The reports we're getting indicate that GIFCruncher users are thrilled with the results. We have had enough load that the current server is getting bogged down at times. So we're moving HVS GIFCruncher to a fast new server - we expect to be online by late June. If you haven't tried GIFCruncher yet, give it a spin - it can reduce the size of your GIFs by 50% or more - http://www.digfrontiers.com/gcrunch.html. Currently, all enabled HVS GIFCruncher features are free so everyone can get acquainted with the service and the excellent results it can produce. We will be transitioning to a fee basis for Custom and Batch operations in a few weeks, but basic operations will remain free. 

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http://www.digfrontiers.com





From tcmay at got.net  Sun Jun 14 11:33:19 1998
From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 02:33:19 +0800
Subject: Childlove and Feds
In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980614150621.006a81f4@pop.pipeline.com>
Message-ID: 



At 8:06 AM -0700 6/14/98, John Young wrote:

>Not all Feds and phreakers agree that pedophobic Feds
>and teeny-cute phreaks help society, although the pedophilic
>Agency allegedly abusing the adorable phreaker for its
>come-on entrapment had "no comment" to its online
>childlove racketeering and profiteering, sort of like the
>NYT's art spiegel comic today.

I was scanning the dial on my shortwave radio recently and landed on Radio
Havana. I was thinking about how in many countries (presumably including
Cuba)  it's a thought crime to tune in to banned broadcasts.

And we in the West unctuously decry this.

But are we all that different?

Suppose "Radio Pedophilia" started broadcasting on 6223 KHz. Fill in the
details on program content, etc.

By any reading of the various child pornography laws in the U.S. merely
_listening_ to such a broadcast would be a felony. Of this this there can
be no doubt.

Were such a station to exist (which it does not), I would expect FCC and
FBI, with NSA SIGINT assistance, would use technical means to isolate who
was tuned to this station and then bust in the doors.

The only difference with the Sovs and Cubans and Berkeleyites would be the
reasons the broadcasts were illegal to listen to.

--Tim May

"The tree of liberty must be watered periodically with the blood of
tyrants...."
---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:----
Timothy C. May              | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money,
ComSec 3DES:   408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero
W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA  | knowledge, reputations, information markets,
Licensed Ontologist              | black markets, collapse of governments.







From StanSqncrs at aol.com  Mon Jun 15 02:59:49 1998
From: StanSqncrs at aol.com (StanSqncrs at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 02:59:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: The I.R.S.
Message-ID: <4b63593f.3584f05d@aol.com>


Cypherpunks, I've tied a bunch of stuff together on the big conspiracy I've
discovered, think you'll find the additions interesting.  If you want to know
why popular music sucks, my page basicly shows you why.

Thanks for listening,

Stan
======
'The MOST Important Music Page on the Net!'
http://members.aol.com/whtsametu/camel/





From jya at pipeline.com  Mon Jun 15 05:33:27 1998
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 05:33:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Prepare Y2K
Message-ID: <199806151233.IAA10510@camel7.mindspring.com>


NYT Magazine, June 14, 1998:

PREPARE YE 

This will make for a gloomy five days, but from June 29 to 
July 3 disaster experts from all over will convene in 
Russellville, Ark., to talk about "Principles and Practice 
of Disaster Relief and Recovery." 

Sessions cover: How to create an emergency mass mortuary, 
toxic-waste cleanups and dealing with nuclear meltdown. 

Vernie R. Fountain, of the Fountain National Academy of 
Professional Embalming Skills in Springfield, Mo., will 
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man-made disasters. 

Natural disasters have killed 181 people this year in the 
United States; there have been more than 600 tornadoes. 

Are we in jinxed times? "It's been a pretty good year so 
far, not a lot of terrorism," says Matthew Blais, a 
nuclear-terrorism expert. "But there are a lot of crazy 
people out there, saving up for the big one. You never 
know when." 

---






From schneier at counterpane.com  Mon Jun 15 06:15:21 1998
From: schneier at counterpane.com (Bruce Schneier)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 06:15:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: I have the Twofish paper in pdf; thanks
Message-ID: <199806151315.IAA08574@mixer.visi.com>


You can stop sending me new versions.

Thanks,
Bruce
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:18:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Information From The Microsoft Personal Information Center
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From StanSqncrs at aol.com  Mon Jun 15 15:31:43 1998
From: StanSqncrs at aol.com (StanSqncrs at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:31:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Response to Anon.
Message-ID: 


Nobody writes - << Hi Stan - 
I think your link you referenced above is incorrect (but I found it anyway).  
You might want to try using 
http://members.aol.com/whtsametau/camel instead.

Thanks for posting the link, but you have raised some questions.  During an 
interview with Gilmour/Waters, they said that the album "The Wall" was about a
"wall of reality" between the band and Pink Floyd's fans (these are their 
words EXACTLY). >>

Obviously, because of your next obvservation, I find this to be incredible.


<< I find it interesting that you also emulate a "Wall Of 
Reality" and use Pink Floyd's music to back it up.  You seem to be giving 
mixed signals - in Pink Floyd's case, a "Wall Of Reality" would be a BAD 
thing.  I wasn't sure what message you were trying to get out. >>

Also - <<  Also, wasn't the whole point of Pink Floyd's The Wall to 
"tear down the wall"?  You are sending some conflicting 
messages.  You might want to re-think your strategy. >>


My big mistake there, was to allow supposed Floyd sites on.  I've been
thinking about that very thing and will be making changes to that ring (or
I'll be destroying it).  I appreciate your constructive criticism, thanks!
Remember, I created that wall before I knew about the I. R. S..  I also have
many changes that need to be done to What's A Meta U (and What's It 2 U?),
they'll have to wait a little longer as well, I now have a more important
page.

Stan 





From afriend at plato.qi3.com  Tue Jun 16 03:01:31 1998
From: afriend at plato.qi3.com (afriend at plato.qi3.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 03:01:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: hello
Message-ID: <219806133963VAA14895@hotmail.com>




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From rah at shipwright.com  Tue Jun 16 08:21:51 1998
From: rah at shipwright.com (Robert Hettinga)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 08:21:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: icomputing: "Naive Realism"
Message-ID: 




"Cryptoanarchist" makes it to the printed word.  Can an OED entry be far
behind? :-).

Of course, it dawns on me that she might mean "cryptoanarchist", below, in
the same way that Vidal called Buckley a "cryptofascist"...

Cheers,
Bob Hettinga

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                                                           Naive
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                                                           Technorealists

                                                           Practical
                                                           development
                                                           of
                                                           the
Internet comes from doing
practical things.

By Angela Gunn

The technorealist manifesto,
in case you missed it, is a
pompous version of the "Why
The Internet Isn't Evil"
speech you give to your mom's
bridge club.

Unleashed back in March, the
"manifesto" was authored by many people who just a year or two ago were
blathering about the world-changing, paradigm-shifting, cryptoanarchist Net,
scaring your mom's bridge club so thoroughly that, well, they asked you if
the Internet was evil.

Drop by the technorealism site and read this document. Sign it if you like.
Just don't expect it to make any difference to you or yours.

The manifesto is a simplistic summation of points most of us inside the
industry already know from years of experience, thought, and online
discussion. And for those outside the industry, it's all but
incomprehensible.

The whole thing stinks of college-student libertarianism, except for the
part about government having an important role to play on the electronic
frontier (a point that galled several actual Libertarians and college
students, as evidenced by their parody sites).

And it's frivolous. Development of the Internet as a practical entity comes
from the doing of practical things with the Internet. The programmer
laboring to improve customer access to a tech-support database, the site
producer working to streamline her site's design, the people who gave us
online ticket ordering and package tracking and hotel reservations--these
are the people who will convince the rest of the world that the Net is
worthwhile and important.

And in the battle to shape the Net, the genuine visionaries, theorists, and
even the political analysts have already taken the field. By assuming the
mantle of public debate, the too-fabulous New Media in-crowd behind the
manifesto has done a disservice to those of us in for the long haul.

Put another way, this fashionable cyber-asceticism is bad news to those
actually involved with technology--condescending in assuming that those in
the trenches can't understand the ramifications of what they do, oblivious
in assuming that there's anything fresh in the manifesto, and irresponsible
in not crafting a document that provides a genuine foundation for
discussion; that is, a real manifesto.

And that's what is really galling: they blew a good opportunity. This vague,
random document doesn't lay groundwork for discussing the real social issues
confronting technologists, creators, consumers, and citizens.

The real battle--to bring the Net to its rightful, humble, ubiquitous place
in the world's social, political, and economic life--has little to do with
manifesto pronouncements such as "We are technology 'critics' in the same
way, and for the same reasons, that others are food critics, art critics, or
literary critics."

The public is best brought onto the battlefield by careful, informed,
comprehensible discourse; these "critics" haven't even drawn up a readable
map of the countryside.

Don't let this single-mast ship of fools sail away with the discussion. They
have no authority (intellectual, moral, or otherwise) to dictate the terms
of debate, especially since their manifesto makes such a mess of it. That
debate belongs to you and me and the rest of the industry--and your mom's
bridge club--at least as much as it does to these
Siskel-and-Ebert-come-latelies.

But don't forget: when you're done amusing yourself with the technorealists'
down-the-middle drive for pundit spots in Harper's, The Nation, and the Utne
Reader, you've got a lot of work to do to build the real Internet.

Web doyenne Angela Gunn has been covering the Internet and its culture for
nine years. Send e-mail to agunn at zd.com.

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From: telco at telco.it (Telco Telefonia)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:41:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Telephone security - Greetings from Italy
Message-ID: <001101bd9948$f32316a0$ede53ec3@mauro>


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From: Mshall at aol.com (Mshall at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:44:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: gjhyjfg
Message-ID: <11ce60ed.35873618@aol.com>


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From ATU5713 at compuserve.com  Wed Jun 17 04:35:58 1998
From: ATU5713 at compuserve.com (Alan Tu)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 04:35:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Please update this
Message-ID: <199806170913_MC2-407F-35CC@compuserve.com>


Hi all,

First of all, since I am not subscribed to the list, please reply to my
address atu5713 at compuserve.com

You know, there is a program written in the Euphoria programming language
that helps in chaining remailers.  It also works with PGP.  Before I try
it, however, I want to know if the remailers in the .ini file are still
operating.  Would someone please tell me if the following remailers are
still operating.  * means that the remailer supports encryption by pgp.

        hh at pmantis.berkeley.edu
        hh at cicada.berkeley.edu
        hh at soda.berkeley.edu
        nowhere at bsu-cs.bsu.edu
        remail at tamsun.tamu.edu
        remail at tamaix.tamu.edu
*       ebrandt at jarthur.claremont.edu
*       hal at alumni.caltech.edu
*       remailer at rebma.mn.org
*       elee7h5 at rosebud.ee.uh.edu
*       phantom at mead.u.washington.edu
*       hfinney at shell.portal.com
*       remailer at utter.dis.org
        00x at uclink.berkeley.edu
*       remail at extropia.wimsey.com

thanks in advance.

--Alan
 





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From ATU5713 at compuserve.com  Wed Jun 17 07:06:06 1998
From: ATU5713 at compuserve.com (Alan Tu)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 07:06:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Invalid reference
Message-ID: <199806171143_MC2-407E-7D24@compuserve.com>


The chain program I referred to earlier is not, repeat not, as far as I
know, written in Euphoria.  I don't know what led me to think that.

--Alan
  





From jdobruck at kki.net.pl  Wed Jun 17 08:10:25 1998
From: jdobruck at kki.net.pl (Jan)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:10:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Crypto Books/Archive
Message-ID: <3587F42C.53275B32@kki.net.pl>


Greetings,

I wish to inquire where I can buy books about cryptography. If these
bookstores are located somewhere in Europe then it would be a little
more convenient for me, if not, then that's not too much of a problem.
Thanks in advance.

I'm working on my archive, although the reason why there hasn't been
anything new for a while is because I'm doing preparation courses in
math and physics for the Warsaw University of Technology. However,
I'll have something new on there soon. The reason why there isn't
anything great at the moment is because I'm a lousy worker, so I can't
be rushed.

I have this idea bout making a cryptography program that will encrypt
pictures. I know that you can do this with PGP, but I mean it in a
little different way. What I want to do is this: You have opened a
picture in, ACDSee for example, and you want some of the picture only
for a certain person. So you chose that part of the picture, encrypt
it, and send it to the person you want. What do you guys think?

Sincerely yours,
Jan





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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:41:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Deja News Registration Confirmation
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From storm at uit.net  Wed Jun 17 09:52:05 1998
From: storm at uit.net (Jason)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:52:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Crypto Books/Archive
Message-ID: <006101bd9a1d$29071120$a460a0d1@jason.kc1.net>


> I have this idea bout making a cryptography program that will encrypt
> pictures. I know that you can do this with PGP, but I mean it in a
> little different way. What I want to do is this: You have opened a
> picture in, ACDSee for example, and you want some of the picture only
> for a certain person. So you chose that part of the picture, encrypt
> it, and send it to the person you want. What do you guys think?

Jan,


 I can't say that I full understand what you're doing, or maybe I just don't
see why you're doing it. If you mean that you want to take part of a picture
and encrypt it and send it to someone, couldn't you just crop the desired
section of the image out and save it as a different file, then encrypt it
via PGP, etc. I don't see how encrypting part of a picture is any different
than, say.. cutting part of a text file out and saving it to another file
and encrypting that portion of it. That isn't to say that if you had some
new form of encryption that it wouldn't be worth exploring, only that I tend
to question the originality or usefulness (relative to current, widely
available crypto technology) of your concept. Maybe you could explain it in
more detail to us.

...Jason Sloderbeck
stom at uit.net
Plasmic Computer Systems








From jdobruck at kki.net.pl  Wed Jun 17 13:55:17 1998
From: jdobruck at kki.net.pl (Jan)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:55:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Cypherpunk on IRC
Message-ID: <35882DF4.18A9D0C6@kki.net.pl>


Greetings...

So where are you people on IRC? it would be nice to talk more directly
bout crypto ideas....

Jan





From haxor_401 at juno.com  Wed Jun 17 13:57:41 1998
From: haxor_401 at juno.com (OoOoOoO OoOoOoO)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 13:57:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: No Subject
Message-ID: <19980617.165512.6918.1.HaXoR_401@juno.com>


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From jdobruck at kki.net.pl  Wed Jun 17 15:09:06 1998
From: jdobruck at kki.net.pl (Jan)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:09:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Crypto Books/Archive
In-Reply-To: <006101bd9a1d$29071120$a460a0d1@jason.kc1.net>
Message-ID: <35883F39.954C5B5D@kki.net.pl>


Jason wrote:
> 
> > I have this idea bout making a cryptography program that will encrypt
> > pictures. I know that you can do this with PGP, but I mean it in a
> > little different way. What I want to do is this: You have opened a
> > picture in, ACDSee for example, and you want some of the picture only
> > for a certain person. So you chose that part of the picture, encrypt
> > it, and send it to the person you want. What do you guys think?
> 
> Jan,

Greetings,
 
>  I can't say that I full understand what you're doing, or maybe I just don't
> see why you're doing it. If you mean that you want to take part of a picture
> and encrypt it and send it to someone, couldn't you just crop the desired
> section of the image out and save it as a different file, then encrypt it
> via PGP, etc. I don't see how encrypting part of a picture is any different
> than, say.. cutting part of a text file out and saving it to another file
> and encrypting that portion of it. That isn't to say that if you had some
> new form of encryption that it wouldn't be worth exploring, only that I tend
> to question the originality or usefulness (relative to current, widely
> available crypto technology) of your concept. Maybe you could explain it in
> more detail to us.
> 
> ...Jason Sloderbeck
> stom at uit.net
> Plasmic Computer Systems

The idea is like with the plug-in for Pegasus Mail. You don't need to
go to PGP encrypt the message and then send it. You can do that right
through the Pegasus Mail. Same idea with my program. Would make it a
little faster instead of encrypting your piece of picture in many
steps you can do it with one push of a button.

Another thing. You're right. You can cut the piece of picture you want
to encrypt and then encrypt that little piece. But if you want to send
the whole image, and make that little piece invisible to everyone else
but the sender... this is what I'm getting at. If someone still
doesn't understand, I'll try again later.

Sincerely yours,
Jan





From StanSqncrs at aol.com  Wed Jun 17 17:51:34 1998
From: StanSqncrs at aol.com (StanSqncrs at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 17:51:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: One last time
Message-ID: <9be137bf.3588643d@aol.com>


Sorry about buggin' you guys so much on this, but I think I have a final piece
of the puzzle together.  It's amazing how well all the pieces fit.  I think
now the big task is to keep it on-line (and promotion - spread the word!).

If you weren't convinced before, this should do it.  Check it out again,

Stan,

http://members.aol.com/whtsametau/camel/index.htm






From lreed at west.cscwc.pima.edu  Wed Jun 17 20:31:50 1998
From: lreed at west.cscwc.pima.edu (Linda Reed--PCC West Campus CSC)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:31:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: SweatHog Log -- SPACE ALIENS HIDE MY DRUGS!!!
Message-ID: <009C7DB7.A54F7F00.23@west.cscwc.pima.edu>


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[Austin Nutly News--LoneBeerState]IT WAS THE tURKEbASTE
of times, it was the LiverWurst of times...
Bob Wills Beer and Lone Star Music. Captain BeefJerky and
the Lost Bozo Band opening for Jerry Jeff Garcia and the
DreadFul Drunks at the Split Lip Saloon. Knocking back
shots of Townsend's Treacherous Treat at Amaretto World
HindQuarters. Mom Nelson declaring C.J. Parker to be her
illegitimately adopted son, making him a half-nelson and
making him live in the basement of the outhouse behind 
Willie's Fool Hall.

A million degrees in the shade and TruthMongrel sitting in
the truck in the parking lot of the HEB Central Market Cafe
while Toto was inside drinking cold beer and asking the
barmaid what type of wine goes with TruckRoasted PuppyDog.
Drinking West Texas ChugWater...


Austin CypherPunks gathered around a couple of tables in 
the beer garden, the BigRedBook unflapping in the breeze
and serving as a standard to rally together a handful of
anarchist frontiers(wo)men to prepare to stand as the lone
outpost against the mighty Digital Army of Santa AnnaChrist
in his War Against The Digitally United States of Terra.
JimBob Choate drawing a line in the sand...
Most of the CypherPunks crossed that line--the bar was on
the other side of it--but they came back.

A strange, deranged desperado appearing out of nowhere to
announce that someone had nuked DC, and he wanted to ask
them a few questions, then sitting down and babbling in a
nonsensical manner in order to distract their attention 
while he played footsie with the blonde sitting across from
him, until she finally left, in disgust.
WeBeastMaster JimBob waiting until only the StewedGuy and
the Disparate Stranger were left before passing along the
SecretMessageThatHadNoMeaning from Declan McCullagh. The
Dissipating Strangler fading into the mist with a bottle
of red wine tucked under his arm.

Lieutenant JimBob Choate, Army of Dog-Digital Division &
MeatSpace Multiplication, feeling a shiver go down his spine
as he walked slowly to his vehicle, heard a TruthMongrel
howling in the distance, and realized that 'red wine' goes
with TruckRoasted PuppyDog.]


  MenInTheShadows unable to find the second VirtualNuclear
Device claimed to have been planted in a pubic building
eleven KILLometers from MongerItaVille--wondering if their
first mistake hadn't been to threaten a six-year old child
and his mother with deportation from Canada if they continued
to involve themselves in the battle for Medicare in Saskatchewan.
  For almost a half-century thereafter, the child had been a
thorn in their side, seemingly breaking every rule in the book,
violating everything that anal-retentive WhiteCanadianImmigrants
held sacred as they strove to promote the Rule of (White)Law
in the Great White Snort. Despite their many failed attempts
to imprison him, ususally succeeding only in harrassing him
and causing him great personal loss and expense, they had never
before had to fear for their own lives and the safety of their
families, but now all that had changed...

  An elite, secretive cabal of Mounties gathered around a table
reviewing the security implications of a hidden file being found
on their computer system which had the same name as the file
on the floppy disk left at the site of the first VirtualNuclear
Device found in a public building eleven KILLometers from
MongerItaVille.
  Silence in the room as each of them heard, in their own mind,
the screams of the Author as they resounded through the Analogue
Reality of his home in Bienfait, through the Digital Reality of
MongerItaVille, and through the MeatSpace DigiZeros on a dozen
or more Canadian Government computer systems.
  "OU WANT TO FUCK WITH *CHILDREN*? OU WANT TO STEAL M NEPHEWS'
COMPUTERS? OU WANT TO FILE FALSE CHARGES ON M NEIGHBOR'S FUTURE
LITTLE GLUE-SNIFFER, OU NAZI RATFUCKERS?
  "THE *MEATSPACE* REVOLUTION IS *NOW*!!!!"


  The Author may be bluffing, of course, but could they really 
afford to take that chance?
  HeOrShe had offered them "pole position" on receiving the key
that the BackDoor Boogie (TM) was being played in to provide a
soundtrack to the RCMP Musical Ride taking place on Trojan Horses
ridden by DigitalAnarchists throughout Canadian Government computer
systems.

  The offer was simple enough...return all of the stolen computers
to the possession of Human Gus-Peter and the RCMP would get the
checkered flag in the race against finding their digital security
breach...if there, in fact, *was* one...
  The 'clues' of its existence were rather vague, though startling,
and they could conceivably be the result of collusion on a part of
the Author's widespread Inner Circle, which undoubtedly included
more than a few people with access to secure Canadian Government
computer systems.
  Of course, the phrase 'pole position' implied that there were
others in the race who the Author could bless with the checkered
flag if they were the first to provide Human Gus-Peter with a
state-of-the-art portable multi-media computer such as the one
that had been stolen from the Author, but the Mounties were
reluctant to suffer the loss of face that would be involved in
rectifying the consequences of their own illegal and heavy-handed
acts of oppression and repression.

  The Mounties knew that they were, to a certain extent, vulnerable,
having actively promoted the persecution of a mentally unstable
individual at a time when his medications were running low, in the
hope that he would explode in a manner that would cause him to
perform actions which he could be legally held accountable for.
It wouldn't look good, however, if it came out that the Mounties
themselves were taking the precaution of wearing bullet-proof vests
for their own protection during their attempts to provoke the
Author to actions of raging insanity, while leaving the children of
the community vulnerable to the MeatSpace actions of a violent
psychotic currently writing the "Bienfait Nutly News 'KILL THE
CHILDREN' Special."


  The RCMP had failed to intercept the computer disks and audio
tapes that the Author had mailed to Declan McCullagh from Montana,
but the Netly News journalist had not yet received them, so it
seemed that *someone* had intercepted them.
  Every indication was that there was only a single copy of the
material the Author had stashed south of the 49th parallel just
before his computers were confiscated, but there was no telling,
for sure. Besides, the Mounties had confiscated the voice-activated
tape recorder they found on their last illegal entry to his home,
and the audio tapes he had could conceivably be of one of the
American intelligence agents monitoring his residence, such as
the retired Air Force Intelligence officer who had become rather
friendly with him at the CoalDust Saloon.]
  It was a shame that the Author had found and destroyed the
'evidence' they had planted in his truck shortly before he 
skipped the country, but the 'evidence' they had 'found' after
his departure would suffice. The reference to the *second*
VirtualNuclearDevice was troubling, however, since its existence,
if real, could result in the whole operation blowing up in their
face.

  Nonetheless, the Mounties considered it better to lose a few
citizens, or even a whole town, than to lose face, and the
Author's modus operandi was to provide fair warning before the
date and time of his nefarious activities, so the Mounties were
confident that they could follow in the footsteps of the BATF and
arrange to be conveniently gone when the shit hit the fan.

  Then they would have that ShitDisturbingMonster dead to rights...








From jdobruck at kki.net.pl  Thu Jun 18 04:13:09 1998
From: jdobruck at kki.net.pl (Jan)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 04:13:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Cypherpunks/IRC
Message-ID: <3588F701.46627B60@kki.net.pl>


Greetings,

I go to #cypherpunks and it says that I create the room. Where the
heck is the room?

Jan





From gowry at IBS-GmbH.net  Thu Jun 18 05:19:32 1998
From: gowry at IBS-GmbH.net (Gowrynath Sivaganeshamoorthy)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 05:19:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Cypherpunks/IRC
In-Reply-To: <3588F701.46627B60@kki.net.pl>
Message-ID: <19980618141915.A13879@stadtleben.de>


Du - Jan - hast am Thu, Jun 18, 1998 at 01:16:17PM +0200 folgendes zum Thema "Cypherpunks/IRC" geschrieben:
| Greetings,
| 
| I go to #cypherpunks and it says that I create the room. Where the
| heck is the room?
| 
| Jan

I think you need to say which net. IRCnen, DALnet, EFnet, UNDERnet ?

bye,

Gowry

-- 
	=>Gowrynath Sivaganeshamoorthy     		      Administration <
	=>IBS GmbH Hamburg		   	      	Ph: +49 40 668649 11 <
	=>Friedrich-Ebert-Damm 202a	  	      	Fx: +49 40 668649 49 <
	=>22047 Hamburg / Germany	       Ripe: IZAX / InterNic: GS6450 <
	=>Key fingerprint = E3 E2 28 FA A5 03 87 95  A2 6F EE 00 9F BB CE 21 <





From video at streetparty.org  Thu Jun 18 05:48:42 1998
From: video at streetparty.org (video at streetparty.org)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 05:48:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Win this video!
Message-ID: <199806181228.IAA14928@ncc.uky.edu>


Video from
STREET PARTY '98 - UK WILDCAT STYLE
http://www.angelfire.com/biz/web201c5/index.html






From martybishop at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 18 05:52:03 1998
From: martybishop at yahoo.com (Martin Bishop)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 05:52:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: TheCodex's D.I.R.T. surveillance software
Message-ID: <19980618125041.28878.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com>


I have come across a webpage at

http://www.thecodex.com/dirt.html

that describes a so-called D.I.R.T. (Data Interception by Remote
Transmission) software enabling the attacker (be it a criminal or
police or govt.) to remotely keep a close eye on everything that't
going on on the target PC. I can pretty much imagine how it works once
it's installed but what I'd like to know is *how* it gets installed on
the target computer?
I would also appreciate any info about the product from people with
first hand experience, since I intend to do an in-depth research for
one of the European Governments.

Thanks in advance!

Rgds,

Martin Bishop




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From jya at pipeline.com  Thu Jun 18 05:52:22 1998
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 05:52:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Senators Challenge Crypto Policy
Message-ID: <199806181252.IAA06378@camel14.mindspring.com>


[Congressional Record: June 17, 1998 (Senate)]

                               ENCRYPTION

  Mr. LOTT. Mr. President, I rise today out of concern for our nation's
computer and electronic industries. As you are well aware, the
Administration's

[[Page S6438]]

export policies prohibit American companies from selling state-of-the-
art encryption technology abroad without recovery keys and back door
access. Encryption is a series of mathematical formulas that scramble
and unscramble data and communications. It is used to thwart computer
hackers, industrial and foreign espionage agents, and criminals from
gaining access to and reading sensitive personal, business, and
military communications. The higher the bit-key length, the more
difficult it is for unauthorized persons to break the code. Technically
advanced encryption ensures that an individual's medical, financial,
business, personal records and electronic-mail cannot be accessed
without their consent. The Administration is now promoting the
deployment of recovery keys so designated third parties would be able
to access and share with law enforcement the computer data and
communications of American citizens without their knowledge. Currently,
government mandated key escrow is not required and is opposed by the
computer industry, privacy advocates, legal scholars, and by many
members of Congress.

  Mr. LEAHY. While current law does not mandate any key recovery, the
current Administration, just as past Administrations, uses the export
control regime to ``dumb down'' the encryption available for widespread
integration into high-tech products intended for both domestic use and
for export to foreign customers. Export regulations in place now are
being used expressly to coerce the development and use of encryption
products capable of giving law enforcement surreptitious access to
plaintext by conditioning the export of 56-bit DES encryption on
development of key recovery features.

  These regulations are scheduled to sunset in December 1998, at which
time export of even 56-bit strength encryption will no longer be
permitted. I understand that the Administration is already undertaking
discussions with industry on what will happen upon sunset of these
regulations. I have long contended that taking unilateral steps will
not resolve this issue, but instead could delay building the consensus
we so urgently need. This issue simply cannot by resolved by Executive
fiat.

  Mr. ASHCROFT. Mr. President, I have been involved in the debate
regarding encryption technology and privacy for more than three years
now. In the course of that time I have not seen any real attempt by the
White House to resolve this problem. In fact, over the course of that
time the Administration has moved further from negotiation by taking
increasingly extreme positions on this critical national issue.

  Mr. CRAIG. Mr. President, as you have heard, current U.S. policy
allows only encryption below the 56-bit key length to be sold abroad.
For a long time now, software companies have argued that this level of
encryption is so low it provides little security for the information
being transmitted over the ``super highway.'' This policy also states
that, in the production of encryption stronger than 56-bit, software
companies must provide some type of ``backdoor'' access to ensure law
enforcement can decode encrypted material.

  Addressing this from an economic perspective, customers--especially
foreign customers--are unwilling to purchase American encryption
products with backdoors and third-party access. This is particularly
true since they can buy stronger encryption overseas from either
foreign-owned companies or American owned companies on foreign soil
without these invasive features.

  Mr. WYDEN. Since coming to the Senate, I have worked side-by-side
with Senators Burns, Ashcroft, Leahy and others on the critical issue
of encryption. Our common goal has been to craft a policy that puts the

United States squarely out front of the crypto-curve, rather than locks
us permanently behind it. A one-size-fits-all government policy simply
won't work in this digital era. We all recognize and acknowledge the
legitimate needs of law enforcement and the national security
communities, but tying the hands of America's high technology industry
in the process will serve neither those needs, nor the national
interest in maintaining our competitive edge in the fiercely
competitive global marketplace. It's time to move forward with
comprehensive encryption reform legislation.

  Mr. BURNS. I would like to point out that the government's plan for
encryption--whether they call it ``key escrow'' or ``key recovery'' or
``plaintext access''--simply won't work. Eleven of the world's most
prominent computer security experts have told us government mandated
key recovery won't work because it won't be secure, as explained in a
study published this week by the Center for Democracy and Technology.
Key escrow also won't work because it will cost billions, as revealed
in a recent study published by the Business Software Alliance. We have
also been told that the kind of system the Administration wants is not
technically feasible. Additionally, constitutional scholars testified
that government mandated key escrow, third party recovery probably
violates the Bill of Rights.

  Mr. LOTT. Even though a national recovery system would be technically
unfeasible, costly, and violates an individual's privacy rights, the
Administration continues to require key escrow as a precondition for
relaxing America's encryption policy. Again, Mr. President, I would
point out that state-of-the-art encryption is available in the
international marketplace without key recovery and without backdoor
access. This backdoor door requirement is simply backward thinking
policy. It does not make sense to hold the computer industry hostage to
force the creation of such an unworkable system.

  Mr. BURNS. The Majority Leader is absolutely right. We do not need
experts to tell us key recovery will not work. All that is needed is a
little common sense to understand that no one will buy systems with
backdoor access. Criminals will not escrow their keys and terrorists
will find keyless systems from America's foreign competitors. There is
nothing we can do to stop undesirables from using strong, unescrowed
encryption.

  Mr. LOTT. Even though advanced encryption products are widely
available across the globe, the White House continues to stall
Congressional and industry attempts to reach a sensible market oriented
solution to the nation's outdated encryption export regime. This
stonewalling tactic will only cede even more of our nation's technology
market to foreign competitors and America will lose forever its ability
to sell encryption technology at home and abroad.

  It is time to change America's export policy before it is too late.
If the Administration will not do what is right, reform its export
regime, then Congress must enact encryption reform during this session.

  Mr. LEAHY. The Majority Leader is correct that reform of our
encryption policy is needed. The Attorney General came to the Hill in
March and asked for a legislative moratorium on encryption matters.
This request was made because the Administration wanted to talk with
the information technology industry about developing means for law
enforcement to gain surreptitious access to plaintext scrambled by
strong encryption. According to eleven of the world's leading
cryptographers in a report reissued on June 8, the technical risks and
costs of such backdoors ``will exacerbate, not alleviate, the potential
for crime and information terrorism'' for America's computer users and
our critical infrastructures.

  In the Senate we have a name for debate that delays action on
legislative matters. We call it a filibuster. On encryption policy, the
Administration has been willing to talk, but not to forge a real

solution. That amounts to a filibuster. The longer we go without a
sensible policy, the more jobs will be lost, the more we risk eroding
our privacy rights on the Internet, and the more we leave our critical
infrastructures vulnerable.

  Mr. BURNS. We can readily see that the current U.S. policy on
encryption jeopardizes the privacy of individuals, the security of the
Internet, and the competitiveness of U.S. industry. We have been
debating this issue since the Administration's introduction of the ill-
fated Clipper chip proposal over five years ago. Yet no substantial
change in Administration policy has taken place. It is time for us to
take action.

  I first introduced comprehensive encryption reform legislation in the

[[Page S6439]]

form of the Pro-CODE bill over two years ago, then reintroduced it in
this Congress with the cosponsorship of the Majority Leader, Senators
Ashcroft, Leahy, Wyden, and others. Along with Senators Ashcroft,
Leahy, and others, I am also an original cosponsor of the E-PRIVACY
bill, which would foster the use of strong encryption and global
competitiveness. We have held numerous hearings on the issue. Yet
despite the increasingly desperate drumbeat of criticism from industry,
individuals, and privacy groups, from across the political spectrum,
the Administration's policy has remained fundamentally unchanged.

  Mr. LEAHY. Since the hearing I chaired in May 1994 on the
Administration's ``Clipper Chip'' proposal, the Administration has
taken some steps in the right direction. Clipper Chip is now dead, and
the Administration has transferred authority over the export of
encryption products from the State Department to the Commerce
Department, as called for in legislation I introduced in the last
Congress with Senators Burns, Wyden and others. Furthermore, the
Administration has permitted the export of up to 56-bit DES encryption,
at least until the end of this year. But these actions are simply not
enough for our high-tech industries to maintain their leading edge in
the global marketplace.

  Mr. ASHCROFT. Our technology companies need to be able to compete
effectively. Without reasonable export laws our technology sector will
be seriously harmed. More encryption companies will leave the country
so they are free to sell their products around the globe as well as
within the United States. Make no mistake, the market will not be
denied. Today, robust encryption products from Canada, Japan, Germany
and elsewhere are being sold on the world market. You have heard of the
companies that are manufacturing and selling encryption. They are
Nortel, Nippon and Seimens. These are not upstart companies. They are
substantial players on the international scene, and they offer
encryption products that are technically and financially competitive
with those produced in the U.S.

  Mr. LOTT. That's right. In fact, a recent survey conducted by Trusted
Information Systems found that hundreds of foreign companies sell over
600 encryption products from 29 countries. It is even possible to
download some of the strongest technology available, 128-bit key length
encryption, off of the Internet. Clearly, America's policy of
restricting the sale of American encryption software and hardware has
not impacted the availability and use of this technology throughout the
globe.

  No one disputes the fact that the development and use of robust
encryption worldwide will continue with or without U.S. business
participation. What is particularly disturbing to me is that export
controls, instead of achieving their intended purpose, have only served
to deny America's premier computer industry the opportunity to compete
on a level playing field with foreign competitors. Costing our economy
and our nation billions of dollars and the loss of countless American
jobs in the process. Given the wide availability of encryption
technology, continuing to restrict U.S. access to foreign markets makes
no sense.

  Mr. ASHCROFT. That is absolutely correct. The Administration's
encryption policy is, in effect, a tax on American consumers. We owe it

to these customers and the innovators in the software industry to
reform this encryption policy now. From the birth of the United States,
this country has been a world leader in innovation, creativity,
entrepreneurship, vision and opportunity. Today all of these American
attributes are on display in our technology sector. Whether in
telecommunications, or computer hardware or software, the United States
has maintained a leadership position because of the opportunities
afforded to people with the vision, determination and responsibility to
reach for their highest and best. We must work diligently to ensure
that ample opportunities are maintained in this country for our
technology sector to continue to thrive and innovate. If companies are
stifled and cannot compete, then the people, the ideas, the jobs, and
the economic growth will simply go elsewhere.

  Mr. BURNS. In the computer business these days, they talk about
``Internet time.'' In the Internet industry, where product life cycles
can be as low as 6 months, the world changes rapidly. Yet we have been
debating this issue for over five years now, while America's sensitive
communications go unsecured, our critical information infrastructures
go unprotected, and our electronic commerce jobs get shipped overseas.
It is time for the Congress to act.

  Mr. ASHCROFT. If this issue is not resolved, and resolved soon, we
will lose this industry, we will lose our leadership position in
technology, and our national security will suffer. We have a choice to
make as policy makers--do we allow our companies to compete
internationally or do we force them, by our antiquated and ill-
conceived government policy, to move overseas. We cannot simply ignore
the reality that robust encryption exists in the international
marketplace now. Instead, we must allow our companies to compete, and
do so now. We cannot allow extraneous issues to stand in the way of
remedying the deficiencies with our current approach to encryption. We
must recognize that keeping the encryption industry on American shores
is the best way to ensure national security. We would not think of
allowing all our defense industries to move abroad. By the same token,
we should not force the encryption industry abroad through outdated
policies. Simply put, strong encryption means a strong economy and a
strong country. This concern is just one of the many reasons we need to
pass effective encryption legislation this year and just one of the
reasons that Senator Leahy and I recently drafted the E-PRIVACY bill,
S. 2067.

  Mr. LEAHY. I join with my colleagues from both sides of the aisle in
calling for passage of good encryption legislation that promotes
computer privacy, fosters the global competitiveness of our high-tech
industries, and encourages the widespread use of strong encryption as
an online crime prevention and anti-terrorism tool. The E-PRIVACY bill
that I have sponsored with Senator Ashcroft, Senator Burns and others,
satisfies these goals. Prompt Senate consideration of encryption
legislation is sorely needed to protect America's economy and security.

  Mr. CRAIG. Mr. President, the E-PRIVACY bill seeks to protect
individual privacy, while at the same time addressing national security
and law enforcement interests. It would also modernize export controls
on commercial encryption products.

  The E-Privacy Act specifically addresses the concerns of law
enforcement. First and foremost, it makes it a crime to intentionally
use encryption to conceal incriminating communications or information.
It also provides that with an official subpoena, existing wiretap
authority can be used to obtain communications decryption keys/
assistance from third parties.

  Mrs. MURRAY. Mr. President, I want to thank Senator Leahy, Senator
Burns and Senator Ashcroft as well as Senator Lott and Senator Daschle
for their work and leadership on the issue of encryption. I am proud to
be an original cosponsor of S. 2067, the E-PRIVACY Act.


  This is my sixth year as a member of the Senate and the sixth year I
have advocated for reasonable legislation on encryption. Sadly, the
Administration has not been a constructive player in this debate. It is
time for the United States to acknowledge that we no longer exclusively
control the pace of technology. Purchasers around the world can
download software off of the Internet from any country by simply
accessing a website. Foreign purchasers have turned to Russian, German,
Swiss and other foreign vendors for their encryption needs.

  Washington state and American companies deserve the opportunity to
compete free from unreasonable government restrictions. Their role in
the international marketplace should be determined by their ingenuity
and creativity rather than an outdated, ineffectual system of export
controls. The time to act is now. I urge the Senate to consider the E-
PRIVACY Act at the earliest opportunity.

  Mr. BURNS. The basic facts remain the same. People need strong,
unescrowed encryption to protect themselves online in the information

[[Page S6440]]

age. Law enforcement has legitimate concerns about the spread of this
technology, and we must work to provide them the tools and expertise
they need to keep up with advances in encryption technology. We cannot
stop time, however. The genie is out of the bottle. As Bill Gates, the
CEO of Microsoft, recently said, ``Encryption technology is widely
available outside the United States and inside the United States, and
that's just a fact of life.''

  Mr. CRAIG. With the rapid expansion of the ``super highway'' and
Internet commerce it is crucial we bring encryption legislation to the
forefront. A secure, private and trusted national and global
information infrastructure is essential to promote citizens' privacy
and economic growth.

  Mr. BURNS. As my colleagues recognize, technically advanced and
unobtrusive encryption is fundamental to ensuring the kind of privacy
Americans will need and desire in the years to come. Congress must
choose a future where individuals and companies will have the tools
they need to protect their privacy, not a future where people fear the
use electronic commerce because they have no security.

  I commend the Majority Leader, Senators Ashcroft, Leahy, Craig,
Wyden, and Murray for their vision and bipartisan leadership on this
issue. I hope that Congress will be able to move forward with real
encryption reform legislation that protects the privacy and security of
Americans in the Information Age, before it is too late.

  Mr. LOTT. I think it is worth repeating to my colleagues that the
Administration's approach to encryption makes no sense. It is not good
policy. Continuing to restrict the foreign sale of American encryption
technology that is already available abroad, or will soon be available,
is anti-business, anti-consumer, anti-jobs, and anti-innovation.

  The time for a change in America's export regime is long overdue.
Unfortunately, the Administration continues to support its outmoded and
competition-adverse encryption control policy. That is why this
Congress needs to find a legislative solution to this issue.

  If America's export controls are not relaxed now, then Congress
places in peril our entire technology industry. Not just those
companies that create and market encryption products and services, but
virtually every company involved in the development and sale of
computer hardware and software. Congress cannot and will not put
America's entire technological base at risk for an ineffective and
outmoded export policy on encryption.

                          ____________________








From jya at pipeline.com  Thu Jun 18 06:20:49 1998
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 06:20:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Tim's views on the racial problem in America
In-Reply-To: <199806180256.EAA13151@basement.replay.com>
Message-ID: <199806181320.JAA04879@camel14.mindspring.com>


These bland-info-overloaded days, Blanc:

   The Center of Attention = the Eccentric

You will not be visible, listened to, or read online 
unless you got something deeply offensive to 
say, quote, report, swear to god to, degrading of
self and others, litigable, libellous, insulting, vulgar, 
prohibited by multiple laws, violative of fairness and 
decency, newsworthy, or a well-thought-out alternative 
to sheepledom, Joe Sixdom, PC, MC, Real Identity,
the Tax Code, unequal distribution of wealth, straight
sex, kinky sex, fat, diet, exercise, sloth, grammatical 
rigor, speaking in unknown tongues, numeracy, 
science, art, politics, religion, quantum computing,
nanotech, borderlessness, Y2K, the talk shows,
the amazing future of the Internet.

The center is gone for good, cry a tear, then bravely affirm:
good riddance to Ptolemaic centricity. Normalcy is now para.
Listen to what your teeth are picking up from the spectrum
transmitting to the inner ear bone: the spheres whistling
Dixie in the dark.

Tim's telling what the quarks are whispering.

Tim's an oddball wizard, we're all bank-shot eccentrics, 
no home on earth, we the intergalactic outcasts gumming
the dried teat once unemptiable: faith, self, clan, country,
ideology, bye, bye (white male) American pie.

There's one Rosebud refuge left: the US Senate/Bohemian
Club.






From jdobruck at kki.net.pl  Thu Jun 18 06:44:32 1998
From: jdobruck at kki.net.pl (Jan)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 06:44:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: FLMASK
Message-ID: <35891A89.64D37B5F@kki.net.pl>


Greetings,

This is the address of flmask... if you're intrested.
Side note: In my program I want to use PGP.
http://www.igat.com/flmask/home_e.htm
Sincerely yours,
Jan





From fiy83 at unipa.it  Thu Jun 18 10:51:28 1998
From: fiy83 at unipa.it (fiy83 at unipa.it)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 10:51:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Check this out, It's worth a look
Message-ID: <199806182489ZAA56214@202.1.230.110>



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From: coy60 at ohrid.cca.vu.nl (coy60 at ohrid.cca.vu.nl)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:05:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Returns You Have Asked For
Message-ID: <199806184210PAA51746@176.61.121.1>


 
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From hippyman at alltel.net  Thu Jun 18 11:47:30 1998
From: hippyman at alltel.net (hippyman)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 11:47:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: TheCodex's D.I.R.T. surveillance software
Message-ID: <199806181847.NAA29802@client.alltel.net>


At 07:50 AM 6/18/98 , you wrote:
>I have come across a webpage at
>
>http://www.thecodex.com/dirt.html
>
>that describes a so-called D.I.R.T. (Data Interception by Remote
>Transmission) software enabling the attacker (be it a criminal or
>police or govt.) to remotely keep a close eye on everything that't
>going on on the target PC. I can pretty much imagine how it works once
>it's installed but what I'd like to know is *how* it gets installed on
>the target computer?
>I would also appreciate any info about the product from people with
>first hand experience, since I intend to do an in-depth research for
>one of the European Governments.

Why don't you contact the owner and ask him how it works?  Posting to
cypherpunks and asking questions about it seems a bit unusual.  Smells like
a spam.  

You're name wouldn't be Spyking, would it? 

hippyman 
ICQ: 11517383
PGP Fingerprint: E3C3 35C8 0FD9 6F36 2ADD 0541 B58C F6BD D347 BD0A
Public Key: http://keys.pgp.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD347BD0A





From nmarion at ibm.net  Thu Jun 18 13:17:26 1998
From: nmarion at ibm.net (Nissa Marion)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:17:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Crypto Books/Archive
In-Reply-To: <006101bd9a1d$29071120$a460a0d1@jason.kc1.net>
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980618161329.00578d60@pop3.ibm.net>


>But if you want to send
>the whole image, and make that little piece invisible to everyone else
>but the sender... this is what I'm getting at. 

Man.. that would make it pretty useless to the receiver, now, wouldn't it?







From nmarion at ibm.net  Thu Jun 18 13:30:43 1998
From: nmarion at ibm.net (Nissa Marion)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:30:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Cypherpunks/IRC
In-Reply-To: <3588F701.46627B60@kki.net.pl>
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980618162751.0058a6c0@pop3.ibm.net>


At 01:16 PM 6/18/98 +0200, you wrote:
>Greetings,
>
>I go to #cypherpunks and it says that I create the room. Where the
>heck is the room?
>
>Jan
>


Are you using EFnet? Because that is what was suggested to you, and I just
tried it and it was indeed there... There were only two people (maybe bots)
there, but it did certainly exist.






From jdobruck at kki.net.pl  Thu Jun 18 15:07:49 1998
From: jdobruck at kki.net.pl (Jan)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:07:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Cypherpunks/IRC
In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980618162751.0058a6c0@pop3.ibm.net>
Message-ID: <3589906A.BA926D9@kki.net.pl>


Greetings,

I tried EFNet and there was noone there. That's the reason why I was
so frustrated... I'll try a few more time and tell relate what
happened.
Jan out.

Nissa Marion wrote:
> 
> At 01:16 PM 6/18/98 +0200, you wrote:
> >Greetings,
> >
> >I go to #cypherpunks and it says that I create the room. Where the
> >heck is the room?
> >
> >Jan
> >
> 
> Are you using EFnet? Because that is what was suggested to you, and I just
> tried it and it was indeed there... There were only two people (maybe bots)
> there, but it did certainly exist.





From jdobruck at kki.net.pl  Thu Jun 18 15:15:23 1998
From: jdobruck at kki.net.pl (Jan)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:15:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Crypto Books/Archive
In-Reply-To: <006101bd9a1d$29071120$a460a0d1@jason.kc1.net>
Message-ID: <35899234.D45BFABA@kki.net.pl>


Nissa Marion wrote:
> 
> >But if you want to send
> >the whole image, and make that little piece invisible to everyone else
> >but the sender... this is what I'm getting at.
> 
> Man.. that would make it pretty useless to the receiver, now, wouldn't it?

Greetings,

The thing is, the receiver can decode it because he knows his
passphrase so only he will see the image and noone else. It's like
like PGP only with pictures, not plaintext. But if you guys think the
idea is stupid, I'll scrach it.
Jan out.





From maxinux at bigfoot.com  Thu Jun 18 18:40:50 1998
From: maxinux at bigfoot.com (Max Inux)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:40:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Cypherpunks/IRC
In-Reply-To: <3589906A.BA926D9@kki.net.pl>
Message-ID: 


We are there on EfNet (#cypherpunks), most of the time nuge and I
atleast, and LuckyG comes in on occasion, aswell as others. I am Working
on securing the channel a bit now...

Billy

-- Max Inux (MaxInux at bigfoot.com) UIN: 207447, http://khercs.dyn.ml.org
Strong Cryptography makes the world a safer place- PGP: 0x5CCFCA59
Or Kinky sex makes the world go round- Christie: Your in my sig too
^^ If Cryptography is outlawed,  only outlaws will have cryptography ^^

 

On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Jan wrote:

> 
> Greetings,
> 
> I tried EFNet and there was noone there. That's the reason why I was
> so frustrated... I'll try a few more time and tell relate what
> happened.
> Jan out.






From blancw at cnw.com  Thu Jun 18 22:32:02 1998
From: blancw at cnw.com (Blanc)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 22:32:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Tim's views on the racial problem in America
In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980617231318.0086ad00@cnw.com>
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980618221716.00895b60@cnw.com>


John Young wrote:

>The center is gone for good, cry a tear, then bravely affirm:
>good riddance to Ptolemaic centricity. Normalcy is now para.
>Listen to what your teeth are picking up from the spectrum
>transmitting to the inner ear bone: the spheres whistling
>Dixie in the dark.
............................................

I know just what you mean, JYA.

	"He took his vorpal sword in hand;
	Long time the manxome foe he sought - 
	So rested he by the Tumtum tree,
	And stood awhile in thought.

    ..
Blanc





From owner-cypherpunks  Fri Jun 19 02:12:04 1998
From: owner-cypherpunks (owner-cypherpunks)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 02:12:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Never Recieve Junk Mail Again!
Message-ID: <199806190911.CAA17416@toad.com>


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From thall322 at mci2000.com  Fri Jun 19 03:22:41 1998
From: thall322 at mci2000.com (thall322 at mci2000.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 03:22:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Earn $100 every time OUR phone rings...
Message-ID: <199806191022.EAA00619@crotalus.gates.com>



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From boshko at uni-svishtov.bg  Fri Jun 19 05:08:44 1998
From: boshko at uni-svishtov.bg (Bozhidar V Bozhinov)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 05:08:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: e-cash
Message-ID: <358A544E.A0DCE57A@uni-svishtov.bg>

Dear Sirs,

This is Mr. Bozhinov from the D. Tsenov Academy of Economics writing.
I am at the present time a Ph. D. student at the Department of Finance
in the framework of The Academy.
Through Internet saw in the Web site that you are work in the aria of
e-money.
Unfortunately, at the moment in Bulgaria there are a few academitions,
when are working in this problem. That�s why I would like to ask you for
more information about this problem.
I�d be very grateful if you might recommend me or send me some materials
concerning this question.
Look forward hearing from you soon.

Yours faithfully,

Mr. B. Bozhinov, Ph. D. Student
D. Tsenov Academy of Economics



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email;internet: boshko at uni-svishtov.bg
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From coax_k at beavisandbutthead.com  Fri Jun 19 05:58:22 1998
From: coax_k at beavisandbutthead.com (Judd Howie)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 05:58:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: IRC #cypherpunks
Message-ID: <025001bd9b83$2cd4b340$e8cf15a5@irix>


A cypherpunks channel has also been set up on the Austnet IRC network

irc.austnet.org and then /map for your closest server

/join #cypherpunks

that's where we are in the southern hemisphere anyway


GBH
  






From billp at nmol.com  Fri Jun 19 13:05:27 1998
From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 13:05:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: US attorney MOTION TO REMAND
Message-ID: <358AC3B0.7357@nmol.com>


Friday 6/19/98 1:42 PM

John Young

Morales and I met for lunch.

I just finished documents referencing the two Tenth circuit
docket sheets you posted on our cases.

http://jya.com/whp-10usca.htm
http://www.jya.com/arm061298.htm

Zeitgeist again.  We are moving to the Tenth circuit AGAIN.

http://www.jya.com/whp061098.htm
http://www.jya.com/whp060998.htm

Morales is going to come over review, then we will send you AND
ABOUT EVERY Member of Congress A COPY.

Mitchell's attempt for the in camera ex parte meeting with the court
may have failed.  Thanks to you and Orlin.  And, consequently, some
upset Members of Congress.

http://www.jya.com/whp052898.htm

I, of course, DENY I called judge Santiago Campos a FASCIST PIG.
Try searching for PIG.

That is likely the reason Mitchell phoned this morning to say she going
to file to remand the first FOIA [algorithms] request to NSA.

Later
bill







From support at abcproperty.com  Fri Jun 19 14:24:32 1998
From: support at abcproperty.com (Support)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 14:24:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Invitation FreshSite.com
Message-ID: <358ad70a.0@news.provide.net>


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From CTIA_Daily_News at tour.unitymail.com  Fri Jun 19 16:24:52 1998
From: CTIA_Daily_News at tour.unitymail.com (CTIA Daily News)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:24:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: CTIA Daily News From WOW-COM - June 19, 1998
Message-ID: <199806191700.MAA22741@mailstrom.revnet.com>



================================
Welcome to the second day of the CTIA
Daily News From WOW-COM.  Please click
on the icon for the most important news in
wireless communications today.
================================



From gwb at pronet.net.au  Fri Jun 19 16:54:58 1998
From: gwb at pronet.net.au (Global Web Builders)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 16:54:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Pauline Hanson's One Nation newsletter - June 1998 update
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980619234519.0070b2d0@mail.pronet.net.au>


Issue 2.1, June 1998

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
PLEASE NOTE: No unsolicited email is sent. If you do not want to be on the
mailing list please say "REMOVE" in the subject line and return this message
in the body.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

G'day One Nation supporters in NSW

New quick access to One Nation home page NOW live!!!

http://www.onenation.com.au

----------------------------

Queensland State Election:
=========================
This is our first communication since last week's Queensland State Election.

See archive of live coverage: http://www.gwb.com.au/onenation/qldstate/june13

One Nation has secured an amazing 11 seats (out of 89) with 23% of the
primary vote. (Compare this to the Nationals 23 seats on just 15% of the
primary vote!)

See: http://www.ecq.qld.gov.au/ecq/98summary.html

In the latest news it now appears likely that One Nation will support the
Coalition to ensure a stable government in Queensland - although this is not
yet finalised and the support of two independents, Liz Cunningham and Peter
Wellington still have to be secured.

------------------------------------

Unofficial One Nation daily newspaper:
=====================================

The anotd (Australian National News of the Day) - Australia's oldest on-line
saily newspaper provides reader feedback and information on Pauline Hanson
and One Nation.

The paper at:

http://www.gwb.com.au/gwb/news/daily.html

has an archive for subscribers going back to October 1995.

Negotiations are currently underway to make this paper available by "fax
back" - initially on a weekly basis. This will allow anyone with a fax to
get a weekly summary of issues being discussed faxed to them.

------------------------------------

Web Ring:
========

The One Nation web site now has a web ring listing about 20 One Nation
sites. If you wish to add a One Nation site please use the "add a web site"
link. 

All additions to the web ring are moderated and GWB's decision on whether or
not to link you is final. You are of course welcome to just carry the web
ring banner and links at:

http://www.gwb.com.au/onenation/ring1.html

Thanks to Peter for his help on this.

A number of historic One Nation web sites including the April 1997 launch in
Ipswich and Hanson's speeches are currently available from the web ring.

-------------------------------------

The power of email:
==================

I have been informed by the ABC Radio National's "Background Briefing" that
they will be talking about the power of email tomorrow (Sunday at 9.10am).

Apparently the action taken by many One Nation supporters in expressing
their concern to 60 Minutes sponsor, Toyota, about the programmes behaviour
towards Pauline Hanson and One Nation was very effective and will be raised
during the ABC report.

To all those who participated thank you. I trust you all got the standard
Toyota response broadcast in the middle of last week.

I am aware that the support shown has served its purpose for the time being
and I hope that 60 Minutes shows more balance in future or we will be
obliged to call on your support again.

See: http://www.gwb.com.au/60.html

for background on the 60 Minutes segment "A CALL TO ARMS".

----------------------------------

Federal Election:
================

One Nation's Federal Election web site is currently under development.

See: http://www.gwb.com.au/onenation/federal

----------------------------------

GWB



Scott Balson






From hippyman at alltel.net  Fri Jun 19 21:16:26 1998
From: hippyman at alltel.net (hippyman)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 21:16:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: TheCodex's D.I.R.T. surveillance software
Message-ID: <199806200416.XAA17936@client.alltel.net>


At 09:29 PM 6/19/98 , you wrote:

>>>I have come across a webpage at
>>>
>>>http://www.thecodex.com/dirt.html
etc...
>>Why don't you contact the owner and ask him how it works?  Posting to
>>cypherpunks and asking questions about it seems a bit unusual.  Smells like
>>a spam.  
>>
>>You're name wouldn't be Spyking, would it? 
etc...

>Mine is and I didn't post it... I got the same request privately... from
>this person... I am not trying to sell it ... especially to a European
>government...

My wrong, then. 

I enjoy your list and didn't really think you spam another mailing list in
such a fashion as I was interpreting, but I thought I'd sniff it out anyway.

My apologies for the accusation. 

hippyman 
ICQ: 11517383
PGP Fingerprint: E3C3 35C8 0FD9 6F36 2ADD 0541 B58C F6BD D347 BD0A
Public Key: http://keys.pgp.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xD347BD0A





From proff at iq.org  Sat Jun 20 11:40:35 1998
From: proff at iq.org (Julian Assange)
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 11:40:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: AUcrypto mailinglist
Message-ID: <19980620184014.22630.qmail@iq.org>



With things starting to heat up here in Australia (DoD/DSD has
recently taken to making some exceptionally nasty noises about
prosecuting Eric Young, Tim Hudson and the rest of the Australian
CryptoMozilla team). I'd like to remind everyone who's interested in
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        maxfiles nnn
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        ls latest (the latest directory containes the archived messages)
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From lreed at west.cscwc.pima.edu  Sat Jun 20 12:10:55 1998
From: lreed at west.cscwc.pima.edu (Linda Reed--PCC West Campus CSC)
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 12:10:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: No Subject
Message-ID: <009C7FCD.1E9A1520.1@west.cscwc.pima.edu>


RIP - SPACE ALIENS HIDE M DRUGS!!!
___________________________________


  The ReptiliansInBlack and the MenInTheShadows were arguing
vehemently over the best path to take in order to maintain
effective damage control over the increasingly wide-spread
danger posed by the known and unknown actions of the Author. 
Regardless, in the end, they all had to answer to Gomez...

  In the days preceeding the Terry Nichols verdict, they had
managed to divert the Author's attention by murdering his 
aunt in Nevada, Missouri, forcing him to abandon Denver in
the middle of the night to drive to her funeral.
  They had managed to find and destroy the TRIN VirtualNuclear
Diskette Bombs the Author had left at various federal government
buildings in the previous few days, but their agent in Cape
Girardo indicated that the Author also claimed to have planted
the TRIN VNDB's among members of the Nichols jury. Was this
another one of the Author's disinformation tactics, or was
their own double agent at Bureau42 actually a triple agent,
helping to obscure the Author's trail of FUD after his having
lost the Watchers in both Denver and Nevada?
  When the RIP's and the MIS's were notified by Captain Button's
former superiors that the Author had been discovered roaming his
old haunts in Tucson, the BlackBaggers who inventoried his truck
found postcards purchased in Branson, Oklahoma City and Waco. Not
a good sign...


  When the Author posted the 'SweatHog Log' of the SAHMD
manuscripts from Linda Lou Reeds Pima College account, it
was taken as a sign that HeOrShe was once again ready to
jump to another location, and was again challenging the
Watchers to track him. After he led them directly to his
current SafeHouse in Tucson, however, it became clear that
he was once again taunting them by revealing another clue
in the ongoing battle to discover the true extent and/or
existence of the alleged underground computer society known
as the Circle of Eunuchs.
  It wasn't until they met in Tucson with the US Air Force
intelligence officer from Bienfait that the ReptiliansInBlack
and the MenInTheShadows realized the horrendous implications
of the 'clue' that the Author was rubbing their noses in...

  "Bob and Polly McWilliams, sons named Trevor and Rory."
the Flying Spook told those gathered around the conference
table at the back of the Blue Saguaro. "They're friends of
Mark, the owner." he said, causing great consternation among
the various spooks participating in the dinner and drinks
TruthMonger Rap Session taking place--apparently in the
heart of enemy territory.
  As if on cue, the owner approached their table, to inquire
as to the suitability of the food, drinks and service.Y\j
owner, nonchalantly, adding, "I haven't seen you since the
Club Car...are you bugging our conversation?"

  The owner of the Blue Saguaro laughed and winked slyly,
replying, "Not tonight. There's no band, so it's the sound
man's night off..."
  The assorted crew of Casper's Cousins, as they liked to
think of themselves, each began replaying in his or her own
mind the contents of their preceeding conversations, much to
the amusement of Mark and his old pal, the Flying Spook.
  "Tomorrow's edition..." the Flying Spook told his compatriots,
handing each of them a computer printout of the Bienfait Nutly
News. "I'm the new editor-in-chief." He turned and walked away
with the owner, talking over old times...







From lreed at west.cscwc.pima.edu  Sat Jun 20 12:11:59 1998
From: lreed at west.cscwc.pima.edu (Linda Reed--PCC West Campus CSC)
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 12:11:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Reptilians In Black - SPACE ALIENS HIDE MY DRUGS!!!
Message-ID: <009C7FCD.50DF5860.3@west.cscwc.pima.edu>


RIP - SPACE ALIENS HIDE M DRUGS!!!
___________________________________


  The ReptiliansInBlack and the MenInTheShadows were arguing
vehemently over the best path to take in order to maintain
effective damage control over the increasingly wide-spread
danger posed by the known and unknown actions of the Author. 
Regardless, in the end, they all had to answer to Gomez...

  In the days preceeding the Terry Nichols verdict, they had
managed to divert the Author's attention by murdering his 
aunt in Nevada, Missouri, forcing him to abandon Denver in
the middle of the night to drive to her funeral.
  They had managed to find and destroy the TRIN VirtualNuclear
Diskette Bombs the Author had left at various federal government
buildings in the previous few days, but their agent in Cape
Girardo indicated that the Author also claimed to have planted
the TRIN VNDB's among members of the Nichols jury. Was this
another one of the Author's disinformation tactics, or was
their own double agent at Bureau42 actually a triple agent,
helping to obscure the Author's trail of FUD after his having
lost the Watchers in both Denver and Nevada?
  When the RIP's and the MIS's were notified by Captain Button's
former superiors that the Author had been discovered roaming his
old haunts in Tucson, the BlackBaggers who inventoried his truck
found postcards purchased in Branson, Oklahoma City and Waco. Not
a good sign...


  When the Author posted the 'SweatHog Log' of the SAHMD
manuscripts from Linda Lou Reeds Pima College account, it
was taken as a sign that HeOrShe was once again ready to
jump to another location, and was again challenging the
Watchers to track him. After he led them directly to his
current SafeHouse in Tucson, however, it became clear that
he was once again taunting them by revealing another clue
in the ongoing battle to discover the true extent and/or
existence of the alleged underground computer society known
as the Circle of Eunuchs.
  It wasn't until they met in Tucson with the US Air Force
intelligence officer from Bienfait that the ReptiliansInBlack
and the MenInTheShadows realized the horrendous implications
of the 'clue' that the Author was rubbing their noses in...

  "Bob and Polly McWilliams, sons named Trevor and Rory."
the Flying Spook told those gathered around the conference
table at the back of the Blue Saguaro. "They're friends of
Mark, the owner." he said, causing great consternation among
the various spooks participating in the dinner and drinks
TruthMonger Rap Session taking place--apparently in the
heart of enemy territory.
  As if on cue, the owner approached their table, to inquire
as to the suitability of the food, drinks and service.Y\j
owner, nonchalantly, adding, "I haven't seen you since the
Club Car...are you bugging our conversation?"

  The owner of the Blue Saguaro laughed and winked slyly,
replying, "Not tonight. There's no band, so it's the sound
man's night off..."
  The assorted crew of Casper's Cousins, as they liked to
think of themselves, each began replaying in his or her own
mind the contents of their preceeding conversations, much to
the amusement of Mark and his old pal, the Flying Spook.
  "Tomorrow's edition..." the Flying Spook told his compatriots,
handing each of them a computer printout of the Bienfait Nutly
News. "I'm the new editor-in-chief." He turned and walked away
with the owner, talking over old times...







From lreed at west.cscwc.pima.edu  Sat Jun 20 12:12:53 1998
From: lreed at west.cscwc.pima.edu (Linda Reed--PCC West Campus CSC)
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 12:12:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Bienfait Reptilian News - SPACE ALIENS HIDE MY DRUGS!!!
Message-ID: <009C7FCD.710F1760.7@west.cscwc.pima.edu>


RIP/BNN - SPACE ALIENS HIDE M DRUGS!!!
_______________________________________

Bienfait Nutly News--Desert Storm / Texas Tornado Special:
[BNN-Tucson, Arizona--THE 'FOUR CORNERS' SEARCH FOR A PAIR OF
Certified CopKillers took a bizarre twist today, when it was
learned that the Author of SPACE ALIENS HIDE M DRUGS was
apparently serving merely as a diversionary decoy for LEA's
involved in the search, while an unknown compatriot was busy
either providing clandestine supply support for the pair, or
perhaps even arranging transportation for the suspects to a
safehouse located outside of the search area.
  Under cross-examination by a variety of LEA/Spooks, the 
RCMP involved in setting up the Author on a variety of charges
under the Criminal Code Of Canada admitted that they had been
holding back evidence suggesting that the Author was not acting
alone in his TRIN VirtualNuclear Diskette Bomb Soft Target
World Tour. Newspapers dated after the Author's flight to
semi-safety south of the forty-ninth parallel were found at
the scene of the first VirtualNuclear Device discovered by
the Royal Canadian Mounted Police at the Court House eleven
KILLometers from MongerItaVille, home of the Bienfait Nutly
News, where the Author was scheduled to be railroaded into
serving a four-year sentence for 'Failure To Appear' on the
'Dog At Large' charges trumped up by local Bienfait officials
under RCMP direction.

  "There were two different sets of newspapers dated after
the Author's flight from Canada found at the scene of the
First VirtualNuclear Device." an RCMP official foolishly
revealed to the Flying Spook assigned by the US Air Force
to investigate the Author, never considering that the agent
may have been 'turned' by the Circle of Eunuchs into a
secret ally. "We traced the placement of one of the sets
of newspapers to the Author's nephew, Human Gus-Peter, who
had been promised a new state-of-the-art computer in return
for helping to obstrufucate the details behind the placement
of the TRIN VNDB Device. The second set of newpapers, from
an earlier date, were obviously placed by an unknown entity,
working in collusion with the Author from the beginning."

  The Flying Spook, in his first action as the new editor-
in-chief of the Bienfait Nutly News, informed the RCMP that
the Author, after mailing evidence of RCMP illegal activity,
collusion and conspiracy to a Time/Netly News reportwhore
from Sidney, Montana, had holed up at the Way Station in
Gillette, Montana, for a few days, proceeding south only
after meeting with a shadowy figure who had given one of
the local residents of the homeless shelter a handful of
Canadian coins when asked for spare change.
  The Flying Spook also suggested that the Author's travel
schedule, seemingly laying an interrupted trail through
the HeartLand of paramilitary activity on the way to theYT
targets along the way, was actually a diversionary tactic
designed to divert attention from the movements of his
conspiratorial compatriot--rumored to be a long-time active
member of the Circle of Eunuchs and CyphperPunks Disturbed
Male LISP, as well as a recent inductee into the Army of
Dog.

  The new Editor-In-Chief of the Bienfait Nutly News also
revealed that his investigation into the alleged connection
of the NuclearBomberAdulteress in Minot, North Dakota, and
the ButtonBomberJoyRider from Tucson, Arizona, to the
Circle of Eunuchs and Army of Dog had turned up a variety
of startling facts, despite the Flying Spook's failure to
include those facts in his official report.
  Among those facts are the following:


EveryBody Wants To Go To Soviet Heaven, But No One Wants To Spy:

  It took the Flying Spook only a few weeks to verify hard links
between the Author and a variety of single, double and triple
agents ranging from Scotland to the Middle East--from the 1800's
to the 1990's.
  The Author's background had been invesigated previously, to
little avail, and the Flying Spook was mystified as to how
apparently competent investigators could fail to realize that
the key to covert and subversive links very often lie in the
history of the women 'behind the throne', so to speak.
  Elanor Roosevelt, Lady Byrd Johnson, Nancy Reagan...even
Casper's Cousins unfamiliar with the course of history should
be able to see the implication implied by these recent examples
of the Hidden Hands Of Destiny working through the wives of
those serving as the front men for the true movers and shakers
in society.

  The Zippo lighter bearing the crest of the Naval Guided
Missle School carried by the Author had long been dismissed
as an insignificant detail by a long string of investigators
who crossed paths with HimOrHer at various times and places.
  It was the family history of Polly McWilliams that allowed
the Flying Spook to bring together a wide range of seemingly
individual 'coincidences' into a logical, coherent pattern.

  Clifden Albert Banner:
  Polly McWilliam's brother. A former B-52 bomber pilot with
connections to both the NuclearBomberAdulteress and the
ButtonBomberJoyRider provided the Flying Spook with his first
hard connection between the Author and Armed Forces personnel
suspected of having Circle of Eunuchs connections.
  Major Banner's military history working at top levels of
the Strategic Air Command, as well as with the Joint Chiefs
of Staff at the Pentagon provided the Flying Spook with an
immediate RedFlag that suggested even the remotest connectionYT
what would be found upon further investigation.
  It therefore came as no surprise to find that, after having
put in place a wide variety of possible co-conspirators within
the Armed Forces network, Major Banner retired to become a
Senior Engineering Specialist-Mission Planning System, in the
New England Operations Field Office of GDE Systems, a major
military contractor.
  Neither was it a surprise that Major Banner's specialty
was...computers.


  Jane Banner:

  Polly McWilliam's sister. Heavily involved as a programmer,
for Nortel, with highly sensitive work in an area of the
joint US/Chinese encryption program that was suspected to
have strong covert connections to the CypherPunks and the
Circle of Eunuchs.


  Earl David Banner:
  Polly McWilliam's father. A Boston Globe Journalist who 
had been privy to the most secret of secrets in a comprehensive
array of social circles ranging from the Roosevelts and the
Kennedys to Cardinal Cushing and the Lords of Lourdes.
  Earl Banner's Anglican heritage was in seeming contrast to
his Catholic connections until the Flying Spook discovered
the close connection between the Author's Catholic lineage
through the French Norris clan on his mother's side and the
Catholic lineage of the McWilliams clan to which Polly's
husband, Bob, was a vital link.


  Moyra Banner:
  Polly's McWilliam's mother. Grew up in Montreal and met
her future husband through  sources closely connected to
the Bartonian Metaphysical Society and what was later to
become the Solar Temple Cult--both of which were organizations
with close connections to the Author and David Humisky, a
shadowy figure who had stunned the Canadian Military by
engineering a quick end to a student military-game project
designed to provide information and data on the capability
of military neophytes engaging in spontaneous war games.


  Alan McKenzie:
  Polly McWilliams' great-grandfather. Driven with his family
from the Isle of Lewis, in Scotland, by the Laird, as a result
of his subversive political connections to a Welsh mining rebel
named Bennett, whose grandson, Leslie James Bennett, would rise
out of one of the 'Little Moscows' in South Wales, serving as
a bastion of the British Labour Party, to become the Chief of
the Russian Desk for the RCMP's Security Service, before beingYT
with connections to fellow Red Caspers McClean and Kim Philby.


  Terry Dee:
  A long-time friend and confidante of Bob and Polly 
McWilliams, as well as a shadowy presence in the life of
the Author's decade-long lover in Austin and Tuscon.
  The Flying Spook had originally researched his connection
to the Author as a result of Dee's work for various American
spook agencies during his travels in the Middle East, and
was stunned to discover the close links between Dee's
ancestors--the O'Days--and the Author's great-grandfather,
Clarence Day, whose progeny in Mountain Home, Idaho, once
again completed the Circle between the Author and Major Clif
Banner, as well as filling in the Author's connection to
the Naval Guided Missle School and a wide variety of
suspected Circle of Eunuchs initiates employed at sensitive
military and secret government laboratory sites around
the world.


  Merna Brown:
  The Author's first wife. A member of the Bartonian Metaphysical
Society, and whose father had proved to be a vital link in the
connection between the socialist New Democratic Party of Tommy
Douglas and the suspected Russian agent, James Leslie Bennett.
  Merna Brown had eventually turned up in Ontario in a government
position ideally suited for providing financial and personal
history support for a number of individuals drifting back and
forth between the Solar Temple, Elohim City, Waco and San Diego,
changing identities as they went.


  Dave Foreman:
  The Flying Spook found it interesting that the Author had
appeared to have absolutely no contact with Dave Foreman or
any of the Earth First subversives in Arizona during HisOrHer
time there, yet seemed to be involved in advising and training
a wide variety of those connected to Earth First in various
areas of the country, particularly in Northern California.
  Hidden deep within the mountains of files kept on those who
marched in protests at the LizardMore Lavoratory was a note
which attributed authorship of a song, "We're Going To Take
It Sitting Down," a banner tune for a Berkeley radical group
named La Palomas, to one C.J. Parker, who was also known to
have authored "Don't Blame Me, I Voted For The Monkey."


  Black Elk:
  Equally intriguing was the Author's close connection to a
wide variety of Rainbow Family members thoughout the US and
Canada. While the Author seemingly remained unaware of his
connection to the group, many of the Rainbow Family were notYT
enormous amount of covert support during his wide travels.
  ears of investigation failed to discover the link until
the Flying Spook engaged the Author in WarStories (TM) at
the CoalDust Saloon in Bienfait, and heard a tale about 
HimOrHer joining an oddball van full of misfits including
hippies, college athletes and a Catholic priest, on a trip
to a mountain top in Colorado to await the fulfillment of
the vision written of in "Black Elk Speaks."
  HeOrShe told of the Catholic priest smuggling an ounce of
hashish across the border, shoved up his butt, screwing the
Catholic girls on the trip, and then absolving them, and 
carrying a mountain of liquor up the mountain on his back,
a Herculean task which made him a legend among those at
the gathering who considered a spiritual journey to be
incomplete without a jigger of earthly spirits to ease
their passage.
  The Author told of rising in the middle of the night to
relieve himself of excess spirits and falling into one of
the slit-trench crappers that had been dug for the occassion,
swearing like a trooper as he climbed out, only to fall into
another, and yet another, with the whole gathering laughing
riotously in the dark at the Fool In The Stool, as he called
himself. He had little idea that not only did the whole
gathering know who he was the next day (even though he 
pretended ignorance of the whole affair), but that the story
of his folly had become one of the legends told by the
original members of the Rainbow Family which was born at
the gathering.


  Ken Sleight:
  Government efforts to investigate an alleged underground
railroad for a variety of outlaws, desperados and radicals,
including a trail of SafeHouses and HideOuts throughout
the western US, invariably led to one or another of passages
in and out of the Four Corners area.
  The Author and Utah outfitter Ken Slight were often found
to be operating in close proximity without ever seeming to
have confirmable direct contact. Interestingly, they both
seemed to have contact with a large number of the same
people involved in environmental and survivalist arenas,
including Bob Mason, of Durango, although under an assumed
name.


  XS4ALL:
  InterNet Free Terra both hosted the banned website during
their censorship troubles with the the German government, and
helped a variety of other sites set up mirror sites around the
same time. One of the causes of XS4ALL's troubles was the
publication of how-to tips on derailing trains.
  Although it was confirmed that the Author's travel schedule
coincided with a number of railway 'accidents', including theYT
in the vicinity of Saskatoon, no positive links to HisOrHer
involvement could be established. The Flying Spook's recent
investigation, however, turned up the fact that a variety of
those hosting mirrors of the XS4ALL website had travel 
schedules which coincided with that of the Author at the
times of several railway 'accidents', although, once again,
no positive link between the individuals could be established.



Synchronincidence:
  Time is a trick to keep suspicious minds from positively
connecting Taoist subversive criminal radicals to the events
for which they are obviously responsible.
  Space is a trick to keep Taoist subversive criminal radical
coconspirators from being positively linked together when it
is in the best interests of the government to claim that they
are acting alone.
  Paranoia is a trick to keep non-Taoist subversive criminal
radicals from realizing that most LEAs are real Lamers (TM),
and that the only thing one needs to be paranoid of is paranoia,
itself (it's a vicious cycle...).
  Guilt is a trick to keep psychotic sociopath subversive
criminal radicals from killing everyone at once, so that there
is still someone left to plot against them.


DISCLAIMER!!!
_____________

  The Bienfait Nutly News makes no pretensions of operating
as an ethical and responsible news source for individuals
whose cerebral synapse circuits remain unaffected by moon
phases and solar sunspot activity.
  We accept no responsibility for explaining how the 
translation of Reptilians In Black into an RIP acronym
can go unnoticed by the editor until the end of the piece,
or how a well-researched article can somehow seem to peter
out into a meaningless morass of inconsequential facts and
details.
  Hell, we don't even know what the right-square bracket
is *really* called...]





From jya at pipeline.com  Sat Jun 20 13:44:02 1998
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 13:44:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: The End of Secrecy
Message-ID: <199806202043.QAA00585@dewdrop2.mindspring.com>


From: "The End of Secrecy," by Ann Florini, Foreign Policy, 
Summer, 1998:

   http://jya.com/teos.htm  (39K)

IMF managing director Michel Camdessus has explained, openness 
and transparency are now economic issues, not solely political 
ones:

  As more and more evidence has come to light about the 
  adverse consequences of governance problems on economic 
  performance--among them, losses in government revenue, 
  lower quality public investment and public services, 
  reduced private investment, and the loss of public 
  confidence in government--a broader consensus has 
  emerged on the central importance of transparency and 
  good governance in achieving economic success.

Most officials in Asia seem to have accepted the virtues 
of transparency, at least in the economic field. Singaporean 
senior minister Lee Kuan Yew, stressing the importance of 
transparency in a country's financial system, recently told 
Vietnamese prime minister Phan Van Khai: "In an age of 
information technology, instant communications and computers, 
if you try to hide, you are in trouble." 

[And:]
               The Entomopter Cometh

One of the most unusual MIT designs on the drawing board is a 
four-inch-long, insect-like craft dubbed "the entomopter," 
equipped with legs for crawling through buildings or ventilation 
ducts, and flapping wings for airborne reconnaissance.

Nevertheless, no matter how small, efficient, or cost-effective 
surveillance hardware becomes, there will always be limits to 
what technology can accomplish. Indeed, it is a double-edged 
sword--witness the polemics in Washington and on the Web over 
who, if anyone, should regulate electronic encryption. From 
untappable communications to pixel-by-pixel photo and video 
editing, technology is often as good at hiding secrets as it 
is at revealing them. Without a norm of transparency, technology 
will continue to protect private information as well as ferret 
it out.

-----








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from
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------------------------------------------
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From jya at pipeline.com  Mon Jun 22 06:16:20 1998
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 06:16:20 -0700 (PDT)
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From ptrei at securitydynamics.com  Mon Jun 22 06:42:55 1998
From: ptrei at securitydynamics.com (Trei, Peter)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 06:42:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Eric Young: Zimmerman redux?
Message-ID: 


Date: 20 Jun 1998 18:40:14 -0000 
From: Julian Assange  
To: ukcrypto at maillist.ox.ac.uk 

With things starting to heat up here in Australia (DoD/DSD has 
recently taken to making some exceptionally nasty noises about 
prosecuting Eric Young, Tim Hudson and the rest of the Australian 
CryptoMozilla team). I'd like to remind everyone who's interested in 
aussie/nz crypto issues of the aucrypto mailing list. 
 
                      Australasian & Pacific Cryptography 

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From shamrock at netcom.com  Sun Jun 21 17:19:11 1998
From: shamrock at netcom.com (Lucky Green)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 08:19:11 +0800
Subject: #cypherpunks open
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980621170237.00942410@netcom4.netcom.com>



#cypherpunks is open on EFnet.



-- Lucky Green  PGP encrypted mail preferred

   "I do believe that where there is a choice only between cowardice and
    violence, I would advise violence." Mahatma Gandhi





From billp at nmol.com  Mon Jun 22 13:22:10 1998
From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:22:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Judicial Misconduct at Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals
Message-ID: <358EB07D.2EFD@nmol.com>


Monday 6/22/98 1:02 PM

Senate Judiciary Committee
http://www.senate.gov/committee/judiciary.html

Republicans

Orrin G. Hatch, Utah, Chairman   senator_hatch at Hatch.senate.gov
Strom Thurmond, South Carolina   senator at thurmond.senate.gov
Charles E. Grassley, Iowa   chuck_grassley at grassley.senate.gov
Arlen Specter, Pennsylvania   senator_specter at specter.senate.gov
Fred Thompson, Tennessee   senator_thompson at thompson.senate.gov
Jon Kyl, Arizona   info at kyl.senate.gov
Mike DeWine, Ohio   senator_dewine at dewine.senate.gov
John Ashcroft, Missouri   john_ashcroft at ashcroft.senate.gov
Spencer Abraham, Michigan   michigan at abraham.senate.gov
Jeff Sessions, Alabama

Democrats

Patrick J. Leahy, Vermont   senator_leahy at leahy.senate.gov
Edward M. Kennedy, Massachusetts   senator at kennedy.senate.gov
Joseph R.Biden, Jr., Delaware   senator at biden.senate.gov
Herb Kohl, Wisconsin   senator_kohl at kohl.senate.gov
Dianne Feinstein, California   senator at feinstein.senate.gov
Russell D. Feingold, Wisconsin   russell_feingold at feingold.senate.gov
Richard Durbin, Illinois   dick at durbin.senate.gov
Robert Torricelli, New Jersey   senator at torricelli.senate.gov

Purpose of this e-mail is to give written proof of criminal judicial
misconduct by Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals clerks Hoecker, Fisher, and
Judges Moore, Barrett, Weis and help get this matter settled.

Thursday March 30, 1995 I wrote Tenth Circuit clerk Hoecker to request a
copy of the docket sheets for case 94-2205  Payne v. Sandia Corporation,
et al

Hoecker did not answer my letter.

On Tuesday March 5,1996 I  wrote  Judge Lucius D. Bunton to ask his help
to get a copy of the docket sheets.  No response.

On Monday September 23, 1996 Arthur R Morales and I wrote  Henry A.
Politz, Chief Judge U.S. Court of Appeals - Fifth Circuit to ask his
help to get a copy of the docket sheets of my case and Morales� Tenth
Circuit case 95-2204.

Tenth Circuit also refused to send Morales copies of docket sheets for
his case.

Politz is Bunton's boss.  No response.

Friday May 30, 1997 I wrote Antonin Scalia to get this help to get a
copy of the docket sheets.  No response.

5 May 1998 citizen John Young finds docket sheets on

    Source: PACER, U.S. Court of Appeals, 10th Circuit, 1-800-279-9107

and posts them on Internet at http://jya.com/whp-10usca.htm

  Docket as of April 10, 1998 0:05 am
  Proceedings include all events.
  94-2205  Payne v. Sandia Corporation, et al

shows that I filed my Brief of the Appellant on 2/19/95.

2/23/95     [835344] Appellant's brief filed by William H. Payne.
            Original and 7 copies.   c/s: y. Served on 2/19/95  Oral
            argument? pro se. Appellee/Respondent's brief due 3/24/95
            for Thomas P. Wright, for Robert Surran, for Paul A.
            Stokes, for Mary J. Stang, for Tommy A. Sellers, for Craig
            A. Searls, for Albert Narath, for Preston B. Herrington,
            for Peter S. Hamilton, for Roger L. Hagengruber, for James
            R. Gosler, for Harold L. Folley, for Robert L. Ewing, for
            C. William Childers, for Harvey J. Brewster, for Sandia
            Corporation (mbm)

mbm writes "Appellee/Respondent's brief due 3/24/95"

Sandia had sent me a copy of its brief by 3/28/96.

I filed  attached MOTION TO GRANT PLAINTIFF-APPELLANT'S DEMANDS ON BASIS
THAT DEFENDANT-APPELLEES FAILED TO FILE BRIEF WITHIN 30 DAYS SPECIFIED
BY FEDERAL RULE OF APPELLATE PROCEDURE 31 on Tuesday the 28th day of
March, 1995

My February 28 MOTION at the Tenth Circuit is filed WITHOUT notice of
service logged.

4/4/95       [845484] Appellant's motion filed by Appellant William H.
             Payne [94-2205] to grant appellant's demands on basis that
             appellees' failed to file timely brief. Original and 3
             copies  c/s: y (mbm)

In 1995 FRAP 25 (a) stated  "[b]riefs shall be deemed filed on the day
of mailing if the 
most expeditious form of delivery by mail, excepting special delivery,
is used."

FRAP 25 has been changed by 1998 to
http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/docs/frap-iop.htm#25a

Since I mailed Appellant's motion filed by Appellant William H.  Payne
[94-2205] to grant appellant's demands on basis that appellees' failed
to file timely brief on 3/28/98, it is likely Sandia's lawyer Friedman
received it 3/29/95.

Tenth Circuit logs

3/30/95      [844759] Appellee's brief filed by Sandia Corporation,
             Harvey J. Brewster, C. William Childers, Robert L. Ewing,
             Harold L. Folley, James R. Gosler, Roger L. Hagengruber,
             Peter S. Hamilton, Preston B. Herrington, Albert Narath,
             Craig A. Searls, Tommy A. Sellers, Mary J. Stang, Paul A.
             Stokes, Robert Surran, Thomas P. Wright. Original and 7
             copies. c/s: y. Served on 3/27/95  Oral Argument? y
             (appellant is pro se) Appellant's optional reply brief due
             4/13/95 for William H. Payne (mbm)

Federal Rule of Appellate Procedure [FRAP] 26 (c) states

  (c) Additional Time after Service. When a party is required or
permitted to act within a      prescribed period after service of a
paper upon that party, 3 calendar days are added to the     prescribed
period unless the paper is delivered on the date of service stated in
the proof of   service. 

  http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/docs/frap-iop.htm#26c

While the Tenth Circuit ASSERTS Appellees� brief was, in fact, served on
3/27/95
evidence given below points to the brief  was served, in fact, on
3/29/95.  

I allege that Friedman affixed a false date of service to Sandia's
brief.

I WAS NEVER PROPERLY SERVED.  I wrote

          Wednesday March 29, 1995

          Dan Friedman
          Simons, Cuddy & Friedman
          Pecos Trail Office Compound
          1701 Old Pecos Trail
          POB 4160
          Santa Fe, NM 87502-4160
          505-988-4476
          505-984-1807 FAX

          Dear Lawyer Friedman:

          Today at 14:00 hours I found a green and white about 9x13
          inch envelope in our mail box at my home.

          Mailing label indicated that the envelope came from your
          firm.  CONFIDENTIAL was stamped on the mailing label.

          I  wrote "Received at 14:00 hours on W 3/29/95 with no
          POSTMARK OR STAMP by W. H. Payne" at the bottom of the
          envelope.

          There was no STAMP OR POSTAGE METER LABEL or 
          POSTMARK on the envelope.

          Therefore, I gave the envelope to US Postal Service
          supervisor Mel at 14:49 hours today at the Postal Receiving
          station at 9904 Montgomery, NW in Albuquerque.  Mel has a
          copy of the cover of the envelope with Mel's note written on
          it.

          Mel told me the post office was going to return the envelope
          to your firm for proper mailing.

          I ask:

         1    What did this envelope contain?  Please identify
              the documents precisely.

         2    If any Certificates of Service were included in the
              envelope, then what were the dates affixed to these
              documents?

         3    Who placed this envelope in our mail box?

         Lawyer Friedman:  It appears you missed an important filing
         date.  And are in the process of attempt to correct your
         failure.  But may be using illegitimate methods to conceal
         your failure.

         Please respond as soon as possible so that we all may
         discover what has happened here." ...

Lawyer Friedman did not respond to the above letter.

But Friedman did mail me Appellees� brief many days later in envelope
showing TRUE MAILING date.  Certificate of service on received
Appellees� brief
did not reflect postmark date.

10th Cir. R. 25.4 in 1995 page 62 reads
  
  Papers not accepted for filing. -- The clerk shall not file papers
that do not comply
  with the Federal Rules of Appellate Procedure and these rules See
10thCir. R. 42.1

But Tenth Circuit clerks Fisher and Hoecker despite my protests and
submission of
evidence may have stamped FILED on Sandia's IMPROPERLY SERVED 
Appellee/Respondent's brief according to the Federal Rules of Appellate
Procedure.

Laywer Friedman FALSIFIED THE CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE.	

Friedman DID NOT MAIL ME "Served on 3/27/95."

d) Proof of Service; Filing. A paper presented for filing shall contain
an acknowledgment of service by the   person served or proof of service
in the form of a statement of the date and manner of service, of the
name of the person served, and of the addresses to which the papers were
mailed or at which they were delivered, certified by the person who made
service. Proof of service may appear on or be affixed to the papers
filed. When a brief or appendix is filed by mailing or dispatch in
accordance with Rule 25(a)(2)(B), the proof of service shall also state
the date and manner by which the document was mailed or dispatched to
the clerk.

  http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/docs/frap-iop.htm#25a
  
Crime apparently committed by Hoecker and Fisher is

� 1017. Government seals wrongfully used and instruments wrongfully
sealed 

Whoever fraudulently or wrongfully affixes or impresses the seal of any
department or agency of the United States, to or upon any certificate,
instrument, commission, document, or paper or with knowledge of its
fraudulent character, with wrongful or fraudulent intent, uses, buys,
procures, sells, or transfers to another any such certificate,
instrument, commission, document, or paper, to which or upon which said
seal has been so fraudulently affixed or impressed, shall be fined under
this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both. 
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1017.shtml

Despite my protests of judicial misconduct Judges Moore, Barrett, Weis
award decision to Sandia

10/6/95      [890055] Order filed by Judges Moore, Barrett, Weis
             "...All outstanding motions are denied..." (found in Order
             & Judgment of 10/6/95) [879579-1]  Parties served by mail.
             (pdw)

when these judges should not have had Appellees� brief before them.

Then in an apparently attempt to conceal what happened

10/6/95     [890076]  NOTE: THIS ENTIRE CASE IS SEALED. Terminated on
            the Merits after Submission Without Oral Hearing; Judgment
            Affirmed; Written, Signed, Unpublished. Moore, authoring
            judge; Barrett; Weis. [94-2205] (pdw)

I WON MY APPEAL, pro se, ON A TECHNICALITY but judges Judges Moore,
Barrett, Weis
awarded the win to Sandia Labs!

Members of Congress, judicial misconduct in this matter has been
well-documented.  Court records
filed with the Tenth Circuit.  But CURRENTLY under seal.

Lawyers involved in this matter attempt to use the legal strategy of
IGNORE and STONEWALL to
attempt to deny me justice.  

Ignoring and stonewalling by lawyers forced Morales and me to seek
visibility so lawyers
could no longer ignore and stonewall.

Lawyer attitude apparently is that they ignore rules of civil procedure
or even the law so long
as their actions are invisible to public scrutiny.

Visibility was achieved by suing the National Security Agency which
revealed even more judicial misconduct http://www.jya.com/whp052898.htm.

I would like to settle all  matters involved with this unfortunate
cyrpto-related matter,
which includes criminal violations of the Privacy Act.

DOE lawyer Steve Dillingham asked me to prepare a settlement offer in
1994.  I wrote a
settlement letter  May 22, 1994 to Dillingham.  Nothing happened.

June 11, 1998 I made several modifications to my 1994 settlement letter
and sent it e-mail
to Robert Nordhaus, Chief Counsel, DOE.

I ask that you

1  help with settlement of my six-year-old since I won my appeal at the
Tenth Circuit,
2  investigate Tenth Circuit case 94-2205  Payne v. Sandia Corporation,
et al to bring
   the guilty to justice.

Sincerely

william payne

505 292 7037  I am not reading e-mail

http://jya.com/whpfiles.htm
http://www.apcatalog.com/cgi-bin/AP?ISBN=0125475705&LOCATION=US&FORM=FORM2
http://www-hto.usc.edu/software/seqaln/doc/html/gfsr.3.html

Coauthor Lewis in the above is one of my former MS and PhD students in
computer science.

http://www.friction-free-economy.com/



Monday 6/22/98 1:04 PM

Members of Congress

Purpose of this e-mail is to give written proof of criminal judicial
misconduct by Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals clerks Hoecker, Fisher, and
Judges Anderson, Barrett, Logan and request a congressional
investigation.

After several years, with Payne, of trying to get Tenth Circuit to send
docket sheets from my case,
citizen John Young  http://www.jya.com/index.htm  locates docket sheets
and posts them
    
  Morales Case Dockets 10th USCA                    June 12, 1998

on Internet at http://www.jya.com/arm061298.htm.

  Source: Online records Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals via PACER 

  GENERAL DOCKET FOR
  Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals

  Court of Appeals Docket #: 95-2204                           Filed:
9/29/95
  Nsuit: 3440
  Morales v. Sandia National Lab.
  Appeal from: United States District Court for the District of New
Mexico

I filed

11/9/95     [898274] Appellant's brief filed by Arthur R. Morales.
            Original and 2 copies.   c/s: y. Served on 11/7/95.  Oral
            argument? pro se. Appellee's brief due 12/11/95 for Sandia
            National Lab. (pdw)

Sandia files its FIRST ATTEMPT at

12/11/95   [905033] Appellee's deficient brief filed by Sandia
           National Lab.. Appellee's corrected brief due 12/21/95 for
           Sandia National Lab.  additional copies received 12/11/95.
           (fg)

Tenth Circuit court clerk Patrick Fisher writes Wells on December 11,
1995
concerning Sandia's deficient brief

  [C]orrections, however made, must be accompanied by proof of service
  upon all other parties to the appeal. ...

and issues

12/14/95   [905975] FIRST notice of rules violation for Deborah D.
           Wells for Appellee Sandia National Lab. (sls)

Wells submits

12/21/95    [907974] Appellee's brief filed by Sandia National Lab..
            Original and 7 copies.   c/s: y. Served on 12/20/95  Oral
            Argument? n Appellant's optional reply brief due 1/8/96 for
            Arthur R. Morales (mbm)

but DOES NOT serve me with a copy.

Wells later admits in

2/1/96        [917660] Response filed by Sandia National Lab.
              Appellant/Petitioner motion to clarify   Original and 3
              copies.  c/s: y response Null Relief Code (fg)

Certificate of Service date 30th day of January, 1996,

  [h]ad Appellant simply made a phone call to the Tenth Circuit, he
could
  have established that the Defendant-Appellee's corrected brief was
indeed
  filed on a timely basis, ...

I protested by filing

1/3/96       [909965] Appellant's motion "for the Court to Grant
             Appeal" filed by Appellant Arthur R. Morales [95-2204].
             Original and 3 copies.  c/s: y. (pdw)

1/3/96       [909966] Appellant's motion "for New Trial" filed by
             Appellant Arthur R. Morales [95-2204]. Original and 3
             copies.  c/s: y. (pdw)

1/3/96       [909967] Appellant's motion "to Discipline
             Defendant-Appellee" filed by Appellant Arthur R. Morales
             [95-2204]. Original and 3 copies.  c/s: y. (pdw)

because Sandia did not properly serve me in violation of Fisher's
December
11, 1995 order.

The Tenth Circuit court of appeals should NOT, by its own rules, filed
Appellee's brief filed by Sandia National Lab..  Original and 7
copies.   
c/s: y. Served on 12/20/95

10th Cir. R. 25.4 in 1995 page 62 reads
  
  Papers not accepted for filing. -- The clerk shall not file papers
that do not comply
  with the Federal Rules of Appellate Procedure and these rules See
10thCir. R. 42.1

And is doubtful whether court clerk Fisher had any authority under
appellate procedure
to permit Wells to correct her deficient brief.  

Rather Sandia's  brief did not comply with with Federal Rules of
Appellate Procedure and should have been summarily rejected for filing.

I WON, pro se, my appeal to the Tenth circuit on a technicality but
Judges Anderson, Barrett, Logan
awarded the win to Sandia Labs.

4/2/96        [932848] Order filed by Judges Anderson, Barrett, Logan
              denying parties' motions for general relief(found in Order
              and Judgment of 4/2/96)--"...During the course of this
              appeal, the parties have filed various motions for
              dismissal, summary grant, and sanctions. We find no merit
              to any of these motions, and they are [920851-1] Parties
              served by mail. (pdw)

by accepting and judging on a documents which was not permitted to be
before the court by
its own rules.

Judicial misconduct in my case has been well-documented as it is in
Payne's case.

Payne and I speculate that similar judicial misconduct may have occurred
at the Tenth Circuit.

Sandia lawyer Robert J Park wrote me a settlement letter on Feb 18,
1998.

I filled in the blanks and made minor handwritten chages and returned it
on February 22, 1998.  

But my offer has not yet been accepted.

I ask that you

1  help have my settlement offer accepted,
2  investigate judicial misconduct in case 95-2204 and punish the
guilty.

Some citizens can only express such frustrations with the US court
system with violence.

I seek change by legal reform.

Sincerely

Arthur R Morales
505 345 1381







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From privsoft at ix.netcom.com  Mon Jun 22 16:19:07 1998
From: privsoft at ix.netcom.com (Steve Orrin)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 16:19:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Verisign & NAI Join Forces, PGP out the door?
Message-ID: <199806222317.SAA04853@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com>


To all:

Word is the PGP is being dropped as a standard and NAI converting over to
x.509 throughout product line. However the info is vague wnough to mean
alot of things:)

sorrin

NETWORK ASSOCIATES AND VERISIGN PARTNER TO PROVIDE INTEROPERABLE
6/22/98 13:18


         Digital Certificate Solutions to Millions of Users Worldwide

    Partnership Provides Customers Choice of Leading Certificate Formats,
          Enabling Widespread Secure Internet Business Transactions

    MOUNTAIN VIEW and SANTA CLARA, Calif., June 22 /PRNewswire/ --
VeriSign,
Inc. (Nasdaq: VRSN), and Network Associates (Nasdaq: NETA), today announced
a
broad reaching partnership to enable cross product support and promotion of

each company's digital certificate-based security solutions.  This
partnership
will provide customers with a flexible security solution that encompasses
best-of-breed products and technologies -- enabling secure global
electronic
commerce and business-to-business communications on a larger scale than
ever
before.  With this announcement, Network Associates and VeriSign can tap
into
the world's largest community of certificate holders made up of over one
thousand five hundred enterprises and nearly nine million individuals
throughout the world.
    This integration of the world's leading certificate technologies will
enable businesses to utilize their choice of certificate formats while
conducting secure Internet transactions such as:  exchanging secure e-mail,
establishing virtual private networks, and authorized access to
confidential
corporate data.  Network Associates and VeriSign customers will now be able
to
establish combined PKI solutions covering the complete lifecycle of
certificates from issuance and usage through renewal, expiration, or
revocation.  The first commercial offering from this collaboration will be
interoperable between the Gauntlet GVPN product and VeriSign OnSite for
IPSEC,
which will be available in the third quarter.  In the fourth quarter
VeriSign's OnSite service and toolkit will be enhanced to issue DSA X.509
certificates in addition to its RSA X.509 certificates, and Network
Associates' Net Tools Secure, including their industry leading PGP
encryption
products, will be updated to request and use either type of certificate.
    "By joining the two largest players in the industry to ensure that our
customers' security applications are seamlessly compatible, we are fueling
the
growth of electronic commerce and secure communications on the Internet,"
said
Peter Watkins general manager of the Net Tools Secure division at Network
Associates.  "We are pleased to offer VeriSign as our preferred provider of
digital certificate services.  Together, we are the only two companies to

support the full range of certificate standards -- giving customers the
power
of choice when implementing their open, certificate-based security
solutions."
    "We are extremely pleased to work with Network Associates to bring
enterprise customers a clear best-of-breed solution," said Stratton
Sclavos,
president and CEO of VeriSign.  "With this partnership, users of Network
Associates' desktop and server encryption applications can simply obtain
their
choice of digital certificates to establish a fully functional,
interoperable
PKI through the use of OnSite."
    "The announcement from VeriSign and Network Associates is a win-win
situation for Information Systems (IS) decision makers," said Jim Hurley,
director of information security at Aberdeen Group, a Boston-based IS
market-research, consulting and analysis firm.  "One supplier helps IS
managers by managing risk while the other helps IS managers by enabling
safe
interconnections with suppliers, partners and customers for mission
business-procedures.  Interoperable and seamless support between these
supplier's products is the kind of partnership that IS executives will
reward."
    VeriSign OnSite, a state of the art digital certificate solution that
enables organizations to quickly and easily establish themselves as a
certificate authority, is available today for client and server digital
certificates and will be available for IPSec digital certificates in the
third
quarter.  VeriSign OnSite pricing begins at $4995 for 1000 client
certificates.
    Network Associates' Net Tools Secure suite is the industry's most
comprehensive set of security products encompassing enterprise encryption,
authentication, intrusion detection, audit analysis, anti-virus, firewall,
global virtual private network and network vulnerability assessment.  Net
Tools Secure is available now and is priced at $49 per user for 5000 users.

    Network Associates, Inc.
    With headquarters in Santa Clara, California, Network Associates, Inc.,
formed by the merger of McAfee Associates and Network General, is a leading
supplier of enterprise network security and management solutions. Network
Associates' Net Tools Secure and Net Tools Manager offer
best-of-breed, suite-based network security and management solutions.  Net
Tools Secure and Net Tools Manager suites combine to create Net Tools,
which
centralizes these point solutions within an easy-to-use, integrated systems

management environment. For more information, Network Associates can be
reached at 408-988-3832 or on the Internet at http://www.nai.com.
    VeriSign, Inc. is the leading provider of digital certificate solutions
used by enterprises, Web sites and consumers to conduct secure
communications
and transactions over the Internet and private networks. VeriSign's Digital
IDs and Secure Server IDs are available through the company's Web site at
http://www.verisign.com.  VeriSign's E-Commerce Solutions are used by
enterprises to deploy complete Public Key Infrastructure (PKI) solutions
for
intranets, extranets, and large-scale electronic commerce applications, and
are available through VeriSign regional account representatives or through
VeriSign resellers.  For more information visit VeriSign's Web site at
http://www.verisign.com.

SOURCE  Network Associates, Inc.
    -0-                             06/22/98
    /CONTACT:  Nathan Tyler of Copithorne & Bellows, 415-975-2223, for
Network
Associates; or Kelly Ryan of VeriSign, 650-429-3424/
    /Company News On-Call:  http://www.prnewswire.com or fax, 800-758-5804,
ext. 124004/
    /Web site:  http://www.verisign.com
                http://www.nai.com/
    (NETA VRSN)

CO:  Network Associates, Inc.; VeriSign, Inc.
ST:  California
IN:  CPR MLM
SU:  PDT









-0- (PRN) Jun/22/98   13:03
EOS   (PRN)    Jun/22/98    13:03      86

-0- (PRN) Jun/22/  98   13:18







From privsoft at ix.netcom.com  Mon Jun 22 16:20:14 1998
From: privsoft at ix.netcom.com (Steve Orrin)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 16:20:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Entrust goes Public
Message-ID: <199806222319.SAA04946@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com>


> Entrust filed to go public. 
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From: 43348928 at 30267.com (Nicole)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 16:54:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Just for You
Message-ID: <199342143263123.GXGT24348@default>




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From msew+ at andrew.cmu.edu  Mon Jun 22 17:23:58 1998
From: msew+ at andrew.cmu.edu (Martin C Sweitzer)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:23:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: export Laws regarding less than 40 bit encryption
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 


Can anyone point me to a document that clearly states the laws governing
the export of software with less than 40 bits worth of encryption. 

The ITAR made my head hurt.  (damn lawyers)



thanks

msew






From lreed at west.cscwc.pima.edu  Mon Jun 22 17:32:39 1998
From: lreed at west.cscwc.pima.edu (Linda Reed--PCC West Campus CSC)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 17:32:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Blood Sausage -- SPACE ALIENS HIDE MY DRUGS!!!
Message-ID: <009C818C.71EFAE40.1@west.cscwc.pima.edu>


BloodSausage HogLog - SPACE ALIENS HIDE M DRUGS!!!
___________________________________________________

"The lives of Frank, Gambino, Morel and Serafini ended on 
the gallows of Montreal's Bordeaux Jail on October 24,
1924. Valentino and Davis had their executions commuted
at the last minute."

"No one claimed Frank, Gambino and Valentino were among
the half-dozen gunmen who ambushed the bank car, but
prosecutorn R.L. Calder argued they were still guilty of
murder because of the organized nature of the crime."

~Excerpts from "Blood Brothers" by Peter Edwards.


  MeTheSheeple was glad to learn that these vile, criminal
scumbags, fingered by the person who had actually planned
and committed the crime, were held accountable for the
actions alleged to them by the gang-leader whose life was
spared in return for ratting out alleged coconspirators.
  I was particularly happy because I knew that the same
high standards of justice would undoubtedly be applied to
the criminal scum within the Canadian Justice System under
whose PigSkin Umbrella the Montreal Mobsters ruled the
streets and the citizens who walked them.

"Testimony at the Frank robbery trial showed that police
routinely sipped coffee with hoods and that Montreal's
finest had been tipped off to the armoured car hold-up
well in advance, but did nothing."

  Supreme Court of Canada Justice Louise Coderre (with a
left-handed frog-tongue over the first 'e') said, "Vice
has spread itself across the city with an ugliness that
seemed assured of impunity."

  Rather than bore you with all of the details behind the
criminal scumbag PigsWithBadgesAndGuns being also found
'GUILT OF MURDER BECAUSE OF THE ORGANIZED NATURE OF THE
CRIME', I will just skip ahead in the book and report on
the final outcome of  JUSTICE 
in the case of the police and city officials discovered
to have greased the wheels of organized crime in their
activities of drug dealing, robbery, murder, etc.
  Hmmm....nope...nada....maybe...nope...nope...

  Surprise, surprise! It seems that, following the
Coderre probe, "nothing happened that seriously
threatened the criminals' take. The name of Cadiex 
Street was changed to de Bullion Street after a New
ork play made the old name notorious, but along the 
same pavement the same crimes continued."

  Those without my cynical psychological make-up will
undoubtedly be able to supply you with reasons as to
just why the local citizens felt extremely 'served and
protected' when they came to after being mugged and saw
the new street signs, however, I will merely take a short
break, here, have a good dump, and wipe my butt with yet
another page of the Criminal Code of Canada.


And Silk Badges..?:

"I know who the real public enemies are. But they are
men who have the respect of the public; men who wear
silk hats, who are apparently of standing in the 
community."
~1930's Montreal MobBuster, J.J. Penverne
 (with no frog-licks in his name...)

  Peter Edwards provides the standard journalistic
explaination as to how "The term 'Mafia,' in its truest
form, refers only to organized crime in western Sicily."
and explains how it has been expanded to encompass any
pair of teenagers throwing a rock through a window, as
long as one of them has an Italian name.
  He neglects to explain, as some journalists do, that
the word "Mafia" is becoming increasingly generic, now
including the 'Lebanese Mafia', the 'Columbian Mafia',
etc.
  *All* journalists, however, seem unable to explain why
they continue to avoid naming the continuing organized forces
of armed domination over citizens of *all* ethnic groups the
'Government Mafia'...

  "Blood Brothers" is not the first book to point out that
at the heart of the "honoured society of Calabria" lies the
concept of "omerta" (with a right-handed strand of spaghetti
over the 'a').
  Nor is it the first book to fail to point out that omerta's
"double code of conduct that set different moral codes for 
dealings with those inside and outside one's family circle"
applies not only to Officially Recognized Criminal ScumBag
Organizations, but also to almost every 'gang' larger than
a Cult Of One from the PTA to the CIA to the USA. 
  'Omerta' decrees that when the president of the PTA molests
a child, when the head of the CIA commits treason, when the
president of the USA declares that US citizens will continue
to face imprisonment for exporting the same strength of
encryption that their government is sharing with Communist
China, that a street somewhere be renamed, while everything
else continues on pretty much as before.


  Don't hold your breath waiting for mainstream journalists
to upset the BadAppleCart by referring to the 'PTA Mafia' when 
they deem that your child should be forced to attend school with
a child who can murder them by biting them, while teaching
them that you are a dangerous psycho because of your gun
ownership; or to the 'FBI Mafia' when they murder a mother and
child in attempts to cover their previous unannounced, botched
armed assault on a citizen being charged with civil crimes in
an attempt to persuade him to invent crimes against his friends,
whether they were Jewish or not; or to the 'Government Mafia'
when they spend millions of dollars investigating and/or charging
Phil Zimmerman, Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, Jim Bell, knowing that
the bottomless taxpayer pockets funding their legally unjustified
harassment will guarantee at least moderately successful results,
even if the end result is dropping the matter when the multi-
million dollar stench begins blowing back toward DC.
  Do not expect mainstream journalists to refer to the 'ASPCA
Mafia' when they release a hastily composed 'history' of 
TruthMongrel as a rabid, sharp-toothed, human baby conniseur,
after HeOrShe is cut down by FBI gunfire on Mayonaisse Mountain
during attempts to arrest the Author on 'Dog At Large' charges
filed by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police in Bienfait, Sask.


Silk? We Don't Need No Stinking Silk...:
  The multi-facted PigsEar WebSites that are increasingly
being turned into InterNet Cult of One SilkPurses through
the increasingly efficient and powerful shareware digital
bread-slicers available to Jane and Joe Sheeple in their
quest to serve either God, Mammon, Dog or Mammy, according
to their prediliction, have the capacity, if uncensored 
and uncontrolled, of allowing the individual to rekindle
the creative spark of individuality that reminds them that
the word 'WE' should only be used by Kings, Priests, and
people with tapeworms.
  People with the ability to think for themselves; people
who know that if Timothy McVeigh was really the 'Muenster'
that the mainstream media claimed, then he would have been
in the 'Adams Family' movie; people who demand to know if
Monica Lewinski has a 'bent' pussy; people with conspiring
minds, who want to 'snow'; people who are not afraid to
stand up and cheer for the Officially Recognized BadGuys
on 'Cops' and 'World's Scariest Innocent Bystander
Threatening Police Chases'; people watching 'World's Dumbest
Criminals' who slap their forehead and say, "I hate it when
that happens..."
  People who read the Bienfait Nutly News.






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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 22:49:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: CTIA Daily News From WOW-COM - June 22, 1998
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From jya at pipeline.com  Tue Jun 23 05:49:03 1998
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 05:49:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Jim Bell Rearrested
Message-ID: <199806231248.IAA16982@camel8.mindspring.com>


JY note: The message below has not been authenticated. The writer claimed
no knowledge of the arrest at the time I spoke with him, which was 
after the date and time of the arrest given in the message. It's
possible he was withholding the information for publication or by
request of confidentiality. The message may be a forgery written
after seeing the messages at http://jya.com/jdb062198.htm. The IRS
has sent spam concerning Jim Bell before: http://jya.com/irs-spam.htm.

From: Anonymous 3
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 23:31:33 EDT
To: jya at pipeline.com
Subject: Jim Bell and anon

John: 

This is [a journalist] whom you called today about Bell. He was
arrested at his parents' home in Vancouver Monday about 1:07 a.m. PDT by five
federal marshals in two cars. The agents went in with guns drawn and came out
with Bell's elderly parents, with whom they talked for a while. A few minutes
later, they brought out Jim, who was handcuffed in front, dressed in a blue T-
shirt and slacks. He was put in the back of a red Jeep, and then leg chained
by an agent. (I tried to ask one of the agents if Jim was going to be taken
directly to Tacoma - my assumption - but the agent was a typical marshals
service jerk and just told me to stay away.)

Jim was in the backseat for about 20 minutes and then two agents came out and
drove him away - after one agent accidentally set off the Jeep "wa-wa" siren -
...just as TV arrived. the other three agents remained in the house, looking
for "evidence," i assume.

I expect him to appear before a federal magistrate in Tacoma tomorrow
morning. His federal defender still has not been provided any paper by the
govt.

so, now yr up to date.

on another matter, I was curious abt the anonymous info sent you. i've been
trying to get an anon remailer for some time, but have been unsuccessful. got
any tips, advice or help?			








From rah at shipwright.com  Tue Jun 23 08:47:20 1998
From: rah at shipwright.com (Robert Hettinga)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 08:47:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Jim Bell Rearrested
In-Reply-To: <199806231248.IAA16982@camel8.mindspring.com>
Message-ID: 



So, is this in reference to his purported request to get access to
computers after his release?

Cheers,
Bob Hettinga
-----------------
Robert A. Hettinga
Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism
44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
Philodox: , e$: 
               






From pircher at informatik.tu-muenchen.de  Tue Jun 23 10:02:41 1998
From: pircher at informatik.tu-muenchen.de (Alex `Taker` Pircher)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:02:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Anonymicer
Message-ID: <358FDF49.4AC1@informatik.tu-muenchen.de>


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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:42:49 -0700 (PDT)
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From jya at pipeline.com  Tue Jun 23 10:49:37 1998
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:49:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Jim Bell Rearrested 2
In-Reply-To: <199806231248.IAA16982@camel8.mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <199806231749.NAA16701@dewdrop2.mindspring.com>


The message about Jim's rearrest yesterday is confirmed,
except the time of arrest was 1:07 PM, not AM. The reporter
went by Jim's house after confirming that a bust was scheduled
and waited for the action.

Jim's been taken from Vancouver, WA, where he lives with his
parents, to either Spokane or Seattle, for a hearing before
a magistrate on the alleged parole violation. Jim's public
defender is on the matter.

No information on Jim's alleged violation, although the reporter
says supposedly there's a long list of prohibitions including one 
against going near a federal facility, "even a mailbox." 

Someone's trying to a get a copy of the list which should be 
public information.

Jim's appeal with the Ninth Circuit Court is presumably for 
reduction of the onerous prohibitions which may have
been made sever enough that he could be hauled in
whenever publicity is needed in the lucrative fight against 
"terrorism of the American people," a fever for funding that's 
feeding bucks into the bottomless pockets of US Justus 
Terrorists coming to call.








From jya at pipeline.com  Tue Jun 23 12:10:31 1998
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:10:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: NSA Declassifies Algos
Message-ID: <199806231910.PAA29551@dewdrop2.mindspring.com>


Thanks to Ed Roback, NIST:


http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Jun1998/b06231998_bt316-98.html

DoD Press Release, June 23, 1998:

No. 316-78
IMMEDIATE RELEASE
June 23, 1998
(703)695-0192(media)
(703)697-5737(public/industry)

           ENCRYPTION FORMULAS DECLASSIFIED

The Department of Defense today announced the decision by the 
National Security Agency to declassify both the Key Exchange 
Algorithm and the SKIPJACK encryption algorithm used in the 
FORTEZZA(tm) personal computer card. FORTEZZA(tm) provides 
security at the desktop in the Defense Message System and other 
DoD applications. This marks the first time that the NSA has 
declassified such information and made it commercially available. 

This declassification is an essential part of the Department of 
Defense's efforts to work with commercial industry in developing 
reasonably priced computer protection products. This 
declassification decision will enable industry to develop software 
and smartcard based security products, which are interoperable 
with FORTEZZA(tm). The availability of such products will enhance 
the protection of DoD's sensitive but unclassified and critical 
non-mission communications. 

The decision to release SKIPJACK (an 80 bit encryption algorithm 
that is not extensible to higher key lengths) and KEA (a 1024 bit 
key exchange algorithm) is restricted to these particular 
algorithms, and does not apply to other classified NSA algorithms. 
The SKIPJACK and KEA algorithms and their source codes have been 
declassified pursuant to Executive Order 12958. 

Vendors interested in obtaining more information on this matter 
should contact the National Security Agency Public Affairs Office 
at 301-688-6524. 

[End]

-----

Note: We called NSA Public Affairs who said that more information 
will be available tomorrow afternoon on NIST's Web site (no specific 
URL):

   http://www.nist.gov

In the meantime NSA will respond to faxed questions; send to:

   Vanessa Talieri
   Office of Public Affairs
   National Security Agency
   Fax: 301-497-2844







From jkthomson at bigfoot.com  Tue Jun 23 12:13:08 1998
From: jkthomson at bigfoot.com (jkthomson)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:13:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: PGPdisk for win95/98?
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980623121806.006ce848@dowco.com>


	



	Great, so I finally get around to checking PGP's betaweb, and to my
amazement, they finally have a beta version of PGPdisk for 95.  Too bad it
claims that I need to contact a sales rep, and when I follow their link, I
get nothing that would really point me in the right direction.  Any of you
manage to get your hands on a copy? 

	Currently, I am using bestcrypt NP with blowfish.  I am a little concerned
with this however, As I have never seen a crypto-review of the software,
and their website is not too forthcoming with technical details, or known
attacks.  Does anyone have information (or horror stories) from using
bestcrypt? 



---------------------------------------------------------------
 james 'keith' thomson        ICQ:746241
 jkthomson:  C181 991A 405C EAFB 2C46  79B5 B1DC DB78 8196 122D
 http://www.bigfoot.com/~ceildh            at pgp.mit.edu
---------------------------------------------------------------

You can lead a man to slaughter, but you can't make him think.
================================================================





From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Jun 23 12:15:45 1998
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 12:15:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Creating Wealth In America
Message-ID: <199806232650RAA53408@adv01.ieighty.net>


Creating Wealth in America

>From the desk of Robert Allen, The Author of 2 Mega Best-Sellers, Nothing Down
 and Creating  Wealth in America

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 11:29 P.M.

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P.S.  I want to show you how to create extra streams of income quickly,
      Go to the phone and call now 1-888-267-4455.


// 






From maxinux at bigfoot.com  Tue Jun 23 13:55:40 1998
From: maxinux at bigfoot.com (Max Inux)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:55:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: PGPdisk for win95/98?
In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980623121806.006ce848@dowco.com>
Message-ID: 


No horror stories of bestcrypt, but I hear that PGPdisk is damn dope,
except for two things.  The crypto 'file/partition/whatever' is static in
size, not dynamic, and it does _not_ use your pgp key.. But it looks like
it should still be neat.. I still like CFS for  linux :-)

-- Max Inux (MaxInux at bigfoot.com) UIN: 207447, http://khercs.chipware.net 
Strong Cryptography makes the world a safer place- PGP: 0x5CCFCA59
Or Kinky sex makes the world go round- Christie: Your in my sig too
^^ If Cryptography is outlawed,  only outlaws will have cryptography ^^

 

On Tue, 23 Jun 1998, jkthomson wrote:

> 
> 	
> 
> 
> 
> 	Great, so I finally get around to checking PGP's betaweb, and to my
> amazement, they finally have a beta version of PGPdisk for 95.  Too bad it
> claims that I need to contact a sales rep, and when I follow their link, I
> get nothing that would really point me in the right direction.  Any of you
> manage to get your hands on a copy? 
> 
> 	Currently, I am using bestcrypt NP with blowfish.  I am a little concerned
> with this however, As I have never seen a crypto-review of the software,
> and their website is not too forthcoming with technical details, or known
> attacks.  Does anyone have information (or horror stories) from using
> bestcrypt? 
> 
> 
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>  james 'keith' thomson        ICQ:746241
>  jkthomson:  C181 991A 405C EAFB 2C46  79B5 B1DC DB78 8196 122D
>  http://www.bigfoot.com/~ceildh            at pgp.mit.edu
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> You can lead a man to slaughter, but you can't make him think.
> ================================================================
> 






From maxinux at bigfoot.com  Tue Jun 23 13:55:44 1998
From: maxinux at bigfoot.com (Max Inux)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 13:55:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Verisign & NAI Join Forces, PGP out the door? (fwd)
Message-ID: 


This is what I was able to find out about the Verisign/NAI partnership.

-- Max Inux (MaxInux at bigfoot.com) UIN: 207447, http://khercs.chipware.net 
Strong Cryptography makes the world a safer place- PGP: 0x5CCFCA59
Or Kinky sex makes the world go round- Christie: Your in my sig too
^^ If Cryptography is outlawed,  only outlaws will have cryptography ^^

 

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:22:26 -0700
From: Jon Callas 
To: Max Inux , Sean_Paswater at nai.com
Cc: chip at chipware.net, jon at pgp.com
Subject: Re: Verisign & NAI Join Forces, PGP out the door? (fwd)

At 08:10 PM 6/22/98 -0700, Max Inux wrote:
   Chip and Jon:
   
   Chip:  Have any insight into this or is this gonna be like the TIS scare
   w/ Key Escrow?
   
   Jon:  Since Chip will probably end up asking you or some of the other
   higher ups if he is unsure, Is there any truth to this story, or is this
   TIS #2?
   
The tale is true -- it's the *interpretation* that's bogus. PGP is not out
the door. PGP will be doing X.509 too. There's not a lot of difference
between an X.509 certificate and a PGP key signature. They do the same
thing. What you'll be able to do is have Verisign sign your key. The first
steps of this are coming this fall -- you'll be able to drop an X.509 cert
into your keyring and it will magically transform itself into a PGP key. At
first, you'll only be able to use it with TLS (a.k.a. SSL), which is also
coming this fall. 

	Jon



-----
Jon Callas                                  jon at pgp.com
CTO, Total Network Security                 3965 Freedom Circle
Network Associates, Inc.                    Santa Clara, CA 95054
(408) 346-5860                              
Fingerprints: D1EC 3C51 FCB1 67F8 4345 4A04 7DF9 C2E6 F129 27A9 (DSS)
              665B 797F 37D1 C240 53AC 6D87 3A60 4628           (RSA)






From shamrock at cypherpunks.to  Tue Jun 23 16:11:27 1998
From: shamrock at cypherpunks.to (Lucky Green)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 16:11:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Verisign & NAI Join Forces, PGP out the door? (fwd)
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 


The primary difference between X.509v3 vs. PGP keys is one of format, not
of function. There is nothing you can do in native PGP key format that you
can't do in X.509.

However, many companies mandate keys to be kept in X.509 format
for compatibility reasons (you can then put the key on a smartcard, etc.).
What this move will mean is that PGP will make further inroads into the
corporate world and that strong crypto will be used more widely.

Standardization is a Good Thing.

--Lucky

On Tue, 23 Jun 1998, Max Inux wrote:

> This is what I was able to find out about the Verisign/NAI partnership.
> 
> -- Max Inux (MaxInux at bigfoot.com) UIN: 207447, http://khercs.chipware.net 
> Strong Cryptography makes the world a safer place- PGP: 0x5CCFCA59
> Or Kinky sex makes the world go round- Christie: Your in my sig too
> ^^ If Cryptography is outlawed,  only outlaws will have cryptography ^^
> 
>  
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 10:22:26 -0700
> From: Jon Callas 
> To: Max Inux , Sean_Paswater at nai.com
> Cc: chip at chipware.net, jon at pgp.com
> Subject: Re: Verisign & NAI Join Forces, PGP out the door? (fwd)
> 
> At 08:10 PM 6/22/98 -0700, Max Inux wrote:
>    Chip and Jon:
>    
>    Chip:  Have any insight into this or is this gonna be like the TIS scare
>    w/ Key Escrow?
>    
>    Jon:  Since Chip will probably end up asking you or some of the other
>    higher ups if he is unsure, Is there any truth to this story, or is this
>    TIS #2?
>    
> The tale is true -- it's the *interpretation* that's bogus. PGP is not out
> the door. PGP will be doing X.509 too. There's not a lot of difference
> between an X.509 certificate and a PGP key signature. They do the same
> thing. What you'll be able to do is have Verisign sign your key. The first
> steps of this are coming this fall -- you'll be able to drop an X.509 cert
> into your keyring and it will magically transform itself into a PGP key. At
> first, you'll only be able to use it with TLS (a.k.a. SSL), which is also
> coming this fall. 
> 
> 	Jon
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> Jon Callas                                  jon at pgp.com
> CTO, Total Network Security                 3965 Freedom Circle
> Network Associates, Inc.                    Santa Clara, CA 95054
> (408) 346-5860                              
> Fingerprints: D1EC 3C51 FCB1 67F8 4345 4A04 7DF9 C2E6 F129 27A9 (DSS)
>               665B 797F 37D1 C240 53AC 6D87 3A60 4628           (RSA)
> 
> 


-- Lucky Green  PGP v5 encrypted email preferred.
   "Tonga? Where the hell is Tonga? They have Cypherpunks there?"






From gwb at gwb.com.au  Tue Jun 23 19:18:29 1998
From: gwb at gwb.com.au (Global Web Builders)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:18:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: QANTAS discriminates against Pauline Hanson's One Nation
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980623195854.00d302f4@mail.pronet.net.au>


Dear One Nation supporter in NSW,

Qantas has banned coverage of Pauline Hanson and One Nation from inflight news.

Qantas has effectively censored Channel 9's inflight coverage of Australian
news and has, in effect, implied that there is something "distasteful" about
Mrs Hanson and her political party.

The action allegedly follows a complaint by a QANTAS staff member about
coverage of Mrs Hanson being offensive to Indonesian passengers on an
international flight.

Pauline Hanson's political adviser, Mr David Oldfield, said it was
"disgraceful, un-Australian activity asking Channel 9 to be political
censors on behalf of Qantas.

"Everything that is said publicly, people should have the right to judge for
themselves whether something matters or doesn't," he said.

"But it certainly isn't up to any airline or anyone else to decide that
legitimate
public debate isn't to be viewed."

If you feel rightfully outraged by this act of censorship by Qantas (the
Australian Airline) please contact them by email:

qantasmedia at qantas.com.au 

I would encourage you to take a moment to express how you feel about this issue.

Finally, please note Ansett have not undertaken censorship of this sort.

GWB




Scott Balson






From nobody at remailer.ch  Tue Jun 23 19:42:15 1998
From: nobody at remailer.ch (Anonymous)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 19:42:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Banning privacy: A radical proposal
Message-ID: <19980624011241.15925.qmail@hades.rpini.com>




This came from Yahoo/ZDNet. Mr. Pappas suggests that we just ban anonymity
and privacy to "protect the children." Now where have I heard that before?
And yet again, the "Ethical Hackers Against Pedophilia" raise their heads,
no pun intended.

>Banning privacy: A radical proposal 
>
>By Charles Pappas 
>June 22, 1998 
>Yahoo! Internet Life 
>
>Copyright (c) 1998 ZDNet
>
>Privacy and anonymity are our most cherished tenets of online life. A
>need so immense that Marc Rotenberg of the Electronic Privacy
>Information Center declared that we might need a kind of Department of
>Privacy. He's not alone: 72 percent of surfers think there should be new
>laws to protect their privacy. 
>
>It's a radical, 180-degree turn to take, but...what if we're all wrong?
>What if this belief that privacy + anonymity = social good has become as
>self-destructive and delusional as a drunk who thinks one more scotch
>will make him feel better? 
>
>Like Marley's ghost, privacy may be coming back to haunt us. And that
>ghost's name is pedophilia. How bad is it? Disguised as a 13-year-old, I
>was directly propositioned on AOL in fewer than 10 minutes on each of
>six separate attempts. I entered a chat room--usually called something
>like "x9x10x11" or even "JonBenet Ramsey" (code words that alert
>pedophiles where to swarm)--and waited for the assaults to start. 
>
>Even when I didn't enter a chat room, the offers kept coming in from
>pedophiles prowling for victims. One wanted to send me pictures of
>himself. Another asked for a phone number. "I want to do my daughter,"
>one confessed to me. Later, when I searched for their screen names, they
>had all disappeared into the anonymous electronic mist. 
>
>AOL monitors kids' chat rooms continuously. (Parents can also set the
>AOL software so their children can't use chat rooms.) "We have a
>zero-tolerance policy when it comes to anything illegal," assures AOL
>spokeswoman Tricia Primrose. "We have about 8,000 monitors scanning up
>to 19,000 chat rooms, message boards, member profiles, and other areas.
>When we get any kind of complaint, we immediately check it out. And
>we're working with the FBI, customs, and other officials." 
>
>It's not just AOL, of course. Child molesters "operate on every avenue
>of the Net," says PhotonRain (not his real name) of Ethical Hackers
>Against Pedophilia, a group that aids law enforcement in combating child
>pornography. "WWW, newsgroups, IRC, ICQ, FTP servers..." 
>
>We already know it's widespread and easy to encounter. But how often
>have we heard--and parroted--the party line that problems on the Net
>just reflect real-world problems, no more and no less? Holland slays
>that sacred lamb: "The amount of pedophilia on the Net is extremely
>disproportional to...society as a whole. They hide behind the anonymity
>the Net offers. And they are aware of the small odds against being
>caught." 
>
>Ruben Rodriguez, director of the Exploited Child unit for the National
>Center for Missing & Exploited Children (NCMEC), concurs: "The Net is so
>anonymous that molesters are very comfortable on it. They can go in and
>hunt kids down, and attempt five or six seductions at the same time." 
>
>"Let's face it," says a New York State investigator who requests
>anonymity, "the Net's anonymity enables the sickness. In a couple of
>hours I could easily get 2,000 pictures if I wanted, including the Baby
>Rape series," a popular collection of pedophilia photos whose name is
>horrifyingly self-explanatory. 
>
>In recent weeks, U.S. authorities have helped nab 60 online molesters,
>while the FBI reports that its 3-year-old Innocent Images
>investigation--an online task force identifying predators--has resulted
>in 184 convictions. An impressive stat, but less than confidence
>inspiring when research suggests the average child molester will have
>more than 70 victims throughout his lifetime. 
>
>At the same time we splash sex offenders' names online, our lawmakers
>weigh in with proposed privacy law after privacy law. "No one wants to
>give up privacy," says NCMEC's Rodriguez, whose organization now runs a
>CyberTipline for leads on the sexual exploitation of children. "But what
>do you do when your laws and protections are turned against you?
>Something's got to give." 
>
>But what? Our conventional wisdom that privacy is worth any risks? Just
>touching this petrified opinion will get me slapped with a swastika--but
>as philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer said, "All truth passes through three
>stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third,
>it is accepted as being self-evident." 
>
>To be continued--that's for certain. 
>
>Copyright (c) 1998 ZDNet. All rights reserved.






From whgiii at invweb.net  Wed Jun 24 01:01:05 1998
From: whgiii at invweb.net (William H. Geiger III)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 01:01:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Banning privacy: A radical proposal
In-Reply-To: <19980624011241.15925.qmail@hades.rpini.com>
Message-ID: <199806240806.DAA022.63@geiger.com>


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In <19980624011241.15925.qmail at hades.rpini.com>, on 06/24/98 
   at 01:12 AM, Anonymous  said:

>This came from Yahoo/ZDNet. Mr. Pappas suggests that we just ban
>anonymity and privacy to "protect the children." Now where have I heard
>that before? And yet again, the "Ethical Hackers Against Pedophilia"
>raise their heads, no pun intended.

To hell with the children!!

If we need anything in this country it is a good supply of hemp rope so
whenever one of these control freaks tries to wipe their ass with the
Constitution under the guise of "saving the children" they are immediately
dragged out by their heals and lynched on the spot!!

If they are so anxious to "save the children" why don't they ban all
automobiles? I don't have exact figures but I am sure 1,000's of children
die and 10,000's are injured every year in auto accidents. I am sure that
Detroit and the oil industry might have a few words against it not to
mention 100 million angry motorist.

And if they really want to save some children why don't they shut down the
multi-billion dollar infanticide industry known as abortion. Why are these
medical hacks allowed to do to children what they would be jailed for
doing to a dog? Perhaps because it serves nicely with the elitist goals of
population control (need to keep the number of niggers, bean pickers, and
white trash down to a controllable number) not to mention that their
pockets are well lined by the hacks.

If they were truly operating on moral principals one would think they
would go after that which causes the greatest harm to the most children.
But of course they don't. They have no more morality than a bitch in heat.
Their "save the children" bit is just a pre-emptive trump against any
opposition (how can you not be for saving children!!).

- -- 
- ---------------------------------------------------------------
William H. Geiger III  http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii
Geiger Consulting    Cooking With Warp 4.0

Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice
PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail.
OS/2 PGP 5.0 at: http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii/pgp.html
- ---------------------------------------------------------------
 
Tag-O-Matic: I'm an OS/2 developer...I don't NEED a life!

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From attila at hun.org  Wed Jun 24 05:50:19 1998
From: attila at hun.org (attila)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 05:50:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: abortion [was: Banning privacy: A radical proposal]
In-Reply-To: <199806240806.DAA022.63@geiger.com>
Message-ID: 


On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, William H. Geiger III wrote:

> And if they really want to save some children why don't they shut down the
> multi-billion dollar infanticide industry known as abortion. Why are these
> medical hacks allowed to do to children what they would be jailed for
> doing to a dog? Perhaps because it serves nicely with the elitist goals of
> population control (need to keep the number of niggers, bean pickers, and
> white trash down to a controllable number) not to mention that their
> pockets are well lined by the hacks.
> 
    no, abortion does not serve the interests of limiting the
    "undesirables" to meet elitist population control ideas.  quite
    the opposite --the various machinations of the extremeist
    conservative [bowel] movement and depriving of abortion funds 
    has meant that abortion is available only to the haves. same
    result in U.S. foreign policy which excludes not only abortion
    services from foreign aid disbursement, but also birth control.

    so, the population of "bean pickers, niggers, and white trash"
    increases relative to the desired "white" population --rather
    dramatically --"elitist" families have negative population
    growth; several of the others have factors as high as 300%.

    personally, I am against abortion-- however, I'll be damned if
    I would deny anyone else either the right or the means to make
    that personal decision. it is not a question of morality; it is
    a fundamental right to freedom of choice unencumbered by an
    increasingly invasive federal government --the first Bitch can
    take her Global Village into her house, not mine.

	attila out...

__________________________________________________________________________
    go not unto usenet for advice, for the inhabitants thereof will say:
      yes, and no, and maybe, and I don't know, and fuck-off.
_________________________________________________________________ attila__

    To be a ruler of men, you need at least 12 inches....
    There is no safety this side of the grave.  Never was; never will be.







From jya at pipeline.com  Wed Jun 24 06:56:40 1998
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 06:56:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Skipjack Up
Message-ID: <199806241356.JAA30765@camel8.mindspring.com>


John,

The files are up, and hopefully all working OK.  See


http://csrc.nist.gov/encryption/skipjack-kea.htm

Ed Roback







From billp at nmol.com  Wed Jun 24 07:16:59 1998
From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 07:16:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: nation's most secretive spy agency
Message-ID: <35910972.913@nmol.com>

Wednesday 6/24/98 8:03 AM

Glave

I am reading http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/13215.html

I recevied a motion from US Assistant Attorney Mitchell yesterday
in the mail.  I haven't read it yet.

Mitchell phoned on f 6/19.  

Mitchell told me she is moving to remand FOIA ALGORITHM request to NSA.

I made a copy of the materials I received and sent them to John Young.

I attach a copy of Morales and my complaint to the senate judiciary
committee.  This e-mail explains more about our interest in NSA.
VISIBILITY.

I do not have much interest in crypto.

One of my problems is a REVERSE cyrpto problem.  Trying to get people to
read
my geek books and obscure binary results.

I MERELY BUILT CRYPTO DEVICES FOR NSA.  

And took a poke at NSA for trying to screw-up Sandia/DOE projects with
bad crypto algorithm and implementation advice. 
http://jya.com/da/whpda.htm
Especially in http://jya.com/da/whpda.htm#apps

NSA has NO SENSE OF HUMOR.

Pseudorandom numbers are close enough to crypto that I understand what
the crypto people are doing.

Morales and I want our money and out of this mess.

Best

Sincerely

http://www.apcatalog.com/cgi-bin/AP?ISBN=0125475705&LOCATION=US&FORM=FORM2

Looks like we succeeded in getting others to read about the gfsr!

In fact, Knuth included the gfsr on page 32 of his books series Art of 
Computer Programming: Vol 2 Seminumerical algorithms.

This likely accounts for 

http://www-hto.usc.edu/software/seqaln/doc/html/gfsr.3.html

Coauthor Lewis in the above is one of my former MS and PhD students in
computer science.

http://www.friction-free-economy.com/


Subject: 
        Judicial Misconduct at Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals
  Date: 
        Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:29:01 -0600
  From: 
        bill payne 
    To: 
        art morales , senator_hatch at Hatch.senate.gov, senator at thurmond.senate.gov,
        chuck_grassley at grassley.senate.gov, senator_specter at specter.senate.gov, 
senator_thompson at thompson.senate.gov,
        info at kyl.senate.gov, senator_dewine at dewine.senate.gov, john_ashcroft at ashcroft.senate.gov, 
michigan at abraham.senate.gov,
        senator_leahy at leahy.senate.gov, senator at kennedy.senate.gov, senator at biden.senate.gov, 
senator_kohl at kohl.senate.gov,
        senator at feinstein.senate.gov, russell_feingold at feingold.senate.gov, dick at durbin.senate.gov, 
senator at torricelli.senate.gov
    CC: 
        steve dillingham <" Steven.Dillingham"@hq.doe.gov>, Robert Nordhaus <" 
Robert.Nordhaus"@hq.doe.gov>, mrgall at ix.netcom.com,
        jy at jya.com, art morales , federico pena <" Federico.F.Pena"@hq.doe.gov>, 
RJPARK at sandia.gov,
        cypherpunks at toad.com, ukcrypto at maillist.ox.ac.uk


Monday 6/22/98 1:02 PM

Senate Judiciary Committee
http://www.senate.gov/committee/judiciary.html

Republicans

Orrin G. Hatch, Utah, Chairman   senator_hatch at Hatch.senate.gov
Strom Thurmond, South Carolina   senator at thurmond.senate.gov
Charles E. Grassley, Iowa   chuck_grassley at grassley.senate.gov
Arlen Specter, Pennsylvania   senator_specter at specter.senate.gov
Fred Thompson, Tennessee   senator_thompson at thompson.senate.gov
Jon Kyl, Arizona   info at kyl.senate.gov
Mike DeWine, Ohio   senator_dewine at dewine.senate.gov
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Robert Torricelli, New Jersey   senator at torricelli.senate.gov

Purpose of this e-mail is to give written proof of criminal judicial
misconduct by Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals clerks Hoecker, Fisher, and
Judges Moore, Barrett, Weis and help get this matter settled.

Thursday March 30, 1995 I wrote Tenth Circuit clerk Hoecker to request a
copy of the docket sheets for case 94-2205  Payne v. Sandia Corporation,
et al

Hoecker did not answer my letter.

On Tuesday March 5,1996 I  wrote  Judge Lucius D. Bunton to ask his help
to get a copy of the docket sheets.  No response.

On Monday September 23, 1996 Arthur R Morales and I wrote  Henry A.
Politz, Chief Judge U.S. Court of Appeals - Fifth Circuit to ask his
help to get a copy of the docket sheets of my case and Morales� Tenth
Circuit case 95-2204.

Tenth Circuit also refused to send Morales copies of docket sheets for
his case.

Politz is Bunton's boss.  No response.

Friday May 30, 1997 I wrote Antonin Scalia to get this help to get a
copy of the docket sheets.  No response.

5 May 1998 citizen John Young finds docket sheets on

    Source: PACER, U.S. Court of Appeals, 10th Circuit, 1-800-279-9107

and posts them on Internet at http://jya.com/whp-10usca.htm

  Docket as of April 10, 1998 0:05 am
  Proceedings include all events.
  94-2205  Payne v. Sandia Corporation, et al

shows that I filed my Brief of the Appellant on 2/19/95.

2/23/95     [835344] Appellant's brief filed by William H. Payne.
            Original and 7 copies.   c/s: y. Served on 2/19/95  Oral
            argument? pro se. Appellee/Respondent's brief due 3/24/95
            for Thomas P. Wright, for Robert Surran, for Paul A.
            Stokes, for Mary J. Stang, for Tommy A. Sellers, for Craig
            A. Searls, for Albert Narath, for Preston B. Herrington,
            for Peter S. Hamilton, for Roger L. Hagengruber, for James
            R. Gosler, for Harold L. Folley, for Robert L. Ewing, for
            C. William Childers, for Harvey J. Brewster, for Sandia
            Corporation (mbm)

mbm writes "Appellee/Respondent's brief due 3/24/95"

Sandia had sent me a copy of its brief by 3/28/96.

I filed  attached MOTION TO GRANT PLAINTIFF-APPELLANT'S DEMANDS ON BASIS
THAT DEFENDANT-APPELLEES FAILED TO FILE BRIEF WITHIN 30 DAYS SPECIFIED
BY FEDERAL RULE OF APPELLATE PROCEDURE 31 on Tuesday the 28th day of
March, 1995

My February 28 MOTION at the Tenth Circuit is filed WITHOUT notice of
service logged.

4/4/95       [845484] Appellant's motion filed by Appellant William H.
             Payne [94-2205] to grant appellant's demands on basis that
             appellees' failed to file timely brief. Original and 3
             copies  c/s: y (mbm)

In 1995 FRAP 25 (a) stated  "[b]riefs shall be deemed filed on the day
of mailing if the 
most expeditious form of delivery by mail, excepting special delivery,
is used."

FRAP 25 has been changed by 1998 to
http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/docs/frap-iop.htm#25a

Since I mailed Appellant's motion filed by Appellant William H.  Payne
[94-2205] to grant appellant's demands on basis that appellees' failed
to file timely brief on 3/28/98, it is likely Sandia's lawyer Friedman
received it 3/29/95.

Tenth Circuit logs

3/30/95      [844759] Appellee's brief filed by Sandia Corporation,
             Harvey J. Brewster, C. William Childers, Robert L. Ewing,
             Harold L. Folley, James R. Gosler, Roger L. Hagengruber,
             Peter S. Hamilton, Preston B. Herrington, Albert Narath,
             Craig A. Searls, Tommy A. Sellers, Mary J. Stang, Paul A.
             Stokes, Robert Surran, Thomas P. Wright. Original and 7
             copies. c/s: y. Served on 3/27/95  Oral Argument? y
             (appellant is pro se) Appellant's optional reply brief due
             4/13/95 for William H. Payne (mbm)

Federal Rule of Appellate Procedure [FRAP] 26 (c) states

  (c) Additional Time after Service. When a party is required or
permitted to act within a      prescribed period after service of a
paper upon that party, 3 calendar days are added to the     prescribed
period unless the paper is delivered on the date of service stated in
the proof of   service. 

  http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/docs/frap-iop.htm#26c

While the Tenth Circuit ASSERTS Appellees� brief was, in fact, served on
3/27/95
evidence given below points to the brief  was served, in fact, on
3/29/95.  

I allege that Friedman affixed a false date of service to Sandia's
brief.

I WAS NEVER PROPERLY SERVED.  I wrote

          Wednesday March 29, 1995

          Dan Friedman
          Simons, Cuddy & Friedman
          Pecos Trail Office Compound
          1701 Old Pecos Trail
          POB 4160
          Santa Fe, NM 87502-4160
          505-988-4476
          505-984-1807 FAX

          Dear Lawyer Friedman:

          Today at 14:00 hours I found a green and white about 9x13
          inch envelope in our mail box at my home.

          Mailing label indicated that the envelope came from your
          firm.  CONFIDENTIAL was stamped on the mailing label.

          I  wrote "Received at 14:00 hours on W 3/29/95 with no
          POSTMARK OR STAMP by W. H. Payne" at the bottom of the
          envelope.

          There was no STAMP OR POSTAGE METER LABEL or 
          POSTMARK on the envelope.

          Therefore, I gave the envelope to US Postal Service
          supervisor Mel at 14:49 hours today at the Postal Receiving
          station at 9904 Montgomery, NW in Albuquerque.  Mel has a
          copy of the cover of the envelope with Mel's note written on
          it.

          Mel told me the post office was going to return the envelope
          to your firm for proper mailing.

          I ask:

         1    What did this envelope contain?  Please identify
              the documents precisely.

         2    If any Certificates of Service were included in the
              envelope, then what were the dates affixed to these
              documents?

         3    Who placed this envelope in our mail box?

         Lawyer Friedman:  It appears you missed an important filing
         date.  And are in the process of attempt to correct your
         failure.  But may be using illegitimate methods to conceal
         your failure.

         Please respond as soon as possible so that we all may
         discover what has happened here." ...

Lawyer Friedman did not respond to the above letter.

But Friedman did mail me Appellees� brief many days later in envelope
showing TRUE MAILING date.  Certificate of service on received
Appellees� brief
did not reflect postmark date.

10th Cir. R. 25.4 in 1995 page 62 reads
  
  Papers not accepted for filing. -- The clerk shall not file papers
that do not comply
  with the Federal Rules of Appellate Procedure and these rules See
10thCir. R. 42.1

But Tenth Circuit clerks Fisher and Hoecker despite my protests and
submission of
evidence may have stamped FILED on Sandia's IMPROPERLY SERVED 
Appellee/Respondent's brief according to the Federal Rules of Appellate
Procedure.

Laywer Friedman FALSIFIED THE CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE.   

Friedman DID NOT MAIL ME "Served on 3/27/95."

d) Proof of Service; Filing. A paper presented for filing shall contain
an acknowledgment of service by the   person served or proof of service
in the form of a statement of the date and manner of service, of the
name of the person served, and of the addresses to which the papers were
mailed or at which they were delivered, certified by the person who made
service. Proof of service may appear on or be affixed to the papers
filed. When a brief or appendix is filed by mailing or dispatch in
accordance with Rule 25(a)(2)(B), the proof of service shall also state
the date and manner by which the document was mailed or dispatched to
the clerk.

  http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/docs/frap-iop.htm#25a
  
Crime apparently committed by Hoecker and Fisher is

� 1017. Government seals wrongfully used and instruments wrongfully
sealed 

Whoever fraudulently or wrongfully affixes or impresses the seal of any
department or agency of the United States, to or upon any certificate,
instrument, commission, document, or paper or with knowledge of its
fraudulent character, with wrongful or fraudulent intent, uses, buys,
procures, sells, or transfers to another any such certificate,
instrument, commission, document, or paper, to which or upon which said
seal has been so fraudulently affixed or impressed, shall be fined under
this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both. 
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1017.shtml

Despite my protests of judicial misconduct Judges Moore, Barrett, Weis
award decision to Sandia

10/6/95      [890055] Order filed by Judges Moore, Barrett, Weis
             "...All outstanding motions are denied..." (found in Order
             & Judgment of 10/6/95) [879579-1]  Parties served by mail.
             (pdw)

when these judges should not have had Appellees� brief before them.

Then in an apparently attempt to conceal what happened

10/6/95     [890076]  NOTE: THIS ENTIRE CASE IS SEALED. Terminated on
            the Merits after Submission Without Oral Hearing; Judgment
            Affirmed; Written, Signed, Unpublished. Moore, authoring
            judge; Barrett; Weis. [94-2205] (pdw)

I WON MY APPEAL, pro se, ON A TECHNICALITY but judges Judges Moore,
Barrett, Weis
awarded the win to Sandia Labs!

Members of Congress, judicial misconduct in this matter has been
well-documented.  Court records
filed with the Tenth Circuit.  But CURRENTLY under seal.

Lawyers involved in this matter attempt to use the legal strategy of
IGNORE and STONEWALL to
attempt to deny me justice.  

Ignoring and stonewalling by lawyers forced Morales and me to seek
visibility so lawyers
could no longer ignore and stonewall.

Lawyer attitude apparently is that they ignore rules of civil procedure
or even the law so long
as their actions are invisible to public scrutiny.

Visibility was achieved by suing the National Security Agency which
revealed even more judicial misconduct http://www.jya.com/whp052898.htm.

I would like to settle all  matters involved with this unfortunate
cyrpto-related matter,
which includes criminal violations of the Privacy Act.

DOE lawyer Steve Dillingham asked me to prepare a settlement offer in
1994.  I wrote a
settlement letter  May 22, 1994 to Dillingham.  Nothing happened.

June 11, 1998 I made several modifications to my 1994 settlement letter
and sent it e-mail
to Robert Nordhaus, Chief Counsel, DOE.

I ask that you

1  help with settlement of my six-year-old since I won my appeal at the
Tenth Circuit,
2  investigate Tenth Circuit case 94-2205  Payne v. Sandia Corporation,
et al to bring
   the guilty to justice.

Sincerely

william payne

505 292 7037  I am not reading e-mail

http://jya.com/whpfiles.htm
http://www.apcatalog.com/cgi-bin/AP?ISBN=0125475705&LOCATION=US&FORM=FORM2
http://www-hto.usc.edu/software/seqaln/doc/html/gfsr.3.html

Coauthor Lewis in the above is one of my former MS and PhD students in
computer science.

http://www.friction-free-economy.com/



Monday 6/22/98 1:04 PM

Members of Congress

Purpose of this e-mail is to give written proof of criminal judicial
misconduct by Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals clerks Hoecker, Fisher, and
Judges Anderson, Barrett, Logan and request a congressional
investigation.

After several years, with Payne, of trying to get Tenth Circuit to send
docket sheets from my case,
citizen John Young  http://www.jya.com/index.htm  locates docket sheets
and posts them
    
  Morales Case Dockets 10th USCA                    June 12, 1998

on Internet at http://www.jya.com/arm061298.htm.

  Source: Online records Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals via PACER 

  GENERAL DOCKET FOR
  Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals

  Court of Appeals Docket #: 95-2204                           Filed:
9/29/95
  Nsuit: 3440
  Morales v. Sandia National Lab.
  Appeal from: United States District Court for the District of New
Mexico

I filed

11/9/95     [898274] Appellant's brief filed by Arthur R. Morales.
            Original and 2 copies.   c/s: y. Served on 11/7/95.  Oral
            argument? pro se. Appellee's brief due 12/11/95 for Sandia
            National Lab. (pdw)

Sandia files its FIRST ATTEMPT at

12/11/95   [905033] Appellee's deficient brief filed by Sandia
           National Lab.. Appellee's corrected brief due 12/21/95 for
           Sandia National Lab.  additional copies received 12/11/95.
           (fg)

Tenth Circuit court clerk Patrick Fisher writes Wells on December 11,
1995
concerning Sandia's deficient brief

  [C]orrections, however made, must be accompanied by proof of service
  upon all other parties to the appeal. ...

and issues

12/14/95   [905975] FIRST notice of rules violation for Deborah D.
           Wells for Appellee Sandia National Lab. (sls)

Wells submits

12/21/95    [907974] Appellee's brief filed by Sandia National Lab..
            Original and 7 copies.   c/s: y. Served on 12/20/95  Oral
            Argument? n Appellant's optional reply brief due 1/8/96 for
            Arthur R. Morales (mbm)

but DOES NOT serve me with a copy.

Wells later admits in

2/1/96        [917660] Response filed by Sandia National Lab.
              Appellant/Petitioner motion to clarify   Original and 3
              copies.  c/s: y response Null Relief Code (fg)

Certificate of Service date 30th day of January, 1996,

  [h]ad Appellant simply made a phone call to the Tenth Circuit, he
could
  have established that the Defendant-Appellee's corrected brief was
indeed
  filed on a timely basis, ...

I protested by filing

1/3/96       [909965] Appellant's motion "for the Court to Grant
             Appeal" filed by Appellant Arthur R. Morales [95-2204].
             Original and 3 copies.  c/s: y. (pdw)

1/3/96       [909966] Appellant's motion "for New Trial" filed by
             Appellant Arthur R. Morales [95-2204]. Original and 3
             copies.  c/s: y. (pdw)

1/3/96       [909967] Appellant's motion "to Discipline
             Defendant-Appellee" filed by Appellant Arthur R. Morales
             [95-2204]. Original and 3 copies.  c/s: y. (pdw)

because Sandia did not properly serve me in violation of Fisher's
December
11, 1995 order.

The Tenth Circuit court of appeals should NOT, by its own rules, filed
Appellee's brief filed by Sandia National Lab..  Original and 7
copies.   
c/s: y. Served on 12/20/95

10th Cir. R. 25.4 in 1995 page 62 reads
  
  Papers not accepted for filing. -- The clerk shall not file papers
that do not comply
  with the Federal Rules of Appellate Procedure and these rules See
10thCir. R. 42.1

And is doubtful whether court clerk Fisher had any authority under
appellate procedure
to permit Wells to correct her deficient brief.  

Rather Sandia's  brief did not comply with with Federal Rules of
Appellate Procedure and should have been summarily rejected for filing.

I WON, pro se, my appeal to the Tenth circuit on a technicality but
Judges Anderson, Barrett, Logan
awarded the win to Sandia Labs.

4/2/96        [932848] Order filed by Judges Anderson, Barrett, Logan
              denying parties' motions for general relief(found in Order
              and Judgment of 4/2/96)--"...During the course of this
              appeal, the parties have filed various motions for
              dismissal, summary grant, and sanctions. We find no merit
              to any of these motions, and they are [920851-1] Parties
              served by mail. (pdw)

by accepting and judging on a documents which was not permitted to be
before the court by
its own rules.

Judicial misconduct in my case has been well-documented as it is in
Payne's case.

Payne and I speculate that similar judicial misconduct may have occurred
at the Tenth Circuit.

Sandia lawyer Robert J Park wrote me a settlement letter on Feb 18,
1998.

I filled in the blanks and made minor handwritten chages and returned it
on February 22, 1998.  

But my offer has not yet been accepted.

I ask that you

1  help have my settlement offer accepted,
2  investigate judicial misconduct in case 95-2204 and punish the
guilty.

Some citizens can only express such frustrations with the US court
system with violence.

I seek change by legal reform.

Sincerely

Arthur R Morales
505 345 1381




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From jf_avon at citenet.net  Wed Jun 24 07:46:39 1998
From: jf_avon at citenet.net (Jean-Francois Avon)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 07:46:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Fwd: Re: Banning privacy: A radical proposal
Message-ID: <199806241458.KAA01546@cti06.citenet.net>


==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE==================
>From: "Jean-Francois Avon" 
>To: "William H. Geiger III" 
>Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:38:12 -0500
>Reply-To: "Jean-Francois Avon" 
>Priority: Normal
>X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.00.1500) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111)
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>Subject: Re: Banning privacy: A radical proposal
>

On Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:38:06 -0500, William H. Geiger III wrote:

>
>And if they really want to save some children why don't they shut down the
>multi-billion dollar infanticide industry known as abortion. Why are these
>medical hacks allowed to do to children what they would be jailed for
>doing to a dog? Perhaps because it serves nicely with the elitist goals of
>population control (need to keep the number of niggers, bean pickers, and
>white trash down to a controllable number) not to mention that their
>pockets are well lined by the hacks.

Hey William, that's called "woman freedom to choose".  Woman right precedes the
baby-that-might-be rights for she is the sine-qua-none condition for the baby-who-might-be
to
exist.

But it is only *very* rarely that I disagree with you...  ;-)

Ciao

jfa

Definition:  FACISM: n.:  a political and economic movement, strongly nationalistic,
magnifying the rights of the state as opposed to those of the individual, in which
industry, though remaining largely under private ownership, and all administrative
political units, are controlled by a strong central government.
        -------------------------------------------------
"One of the ordinary modes by which tyrants accomplish their purpose, without resistance,
is by disarming the people and making it an offense to keep arms".  - Joseph Story, U.S.
Supreme Court Justice.
        -------------------------------------------------
"1935 will go down in history! For the first time a civilized nation has full gun
registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will
follow our lead in the future!"
					-Adolf Hitler, April 1935
        -------------------------------------------------

PGP keys: http://bs.mit.edu:8001/pks-toplev.html
PGP ID:C58ADD0D:529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891
PGP ID:5B51964D:152ACCBCD4A481B0 254011193237822C



===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE===================


Jean-Francois Avon, B.Sc. Physics, Montreal, Canada
  DePompadour, Soci�t� d'Importation Lt�e
     Limoges fine porcelain and french crystal
  JFA Technologies, R&D physicists & engineers
     Instrumentation & control, LabView programming
PGP keys: http://bs.mit.edu:8001/pks-toplev.html
PGP ID:C58ADD0D:529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891
PGP ID:5B51964D:152ACCBCD4A481B0 254011193237822C







From attila at hun.org  Wed Jun 24 09:11:11 1998
From: attila at hun.org (attila)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:11:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Banning privacy: A radical proposal
In-Reply-To: <199806241458.KAA01546@cti06.citenet.net>
Message-ID: 


On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Jean-Francois Avon wrote:

> On Wed, 24 Jun 1998 00:38:06 -0500, William H. Geiger III wrote:
> 
> >And if they really want to save some children why don't they shut down the
> >multi-billion dollar infanticide industry known as abortion. Why are these
> >medical hacks allowed to do to children what they would be jailed for
> >doing to a dog? Perhaps because it serves nicely with the elitist goals of
> >population control (need to keep the number of niggers, bean pickers, and
> >white trash down to a controllable number) not to mention that their
> >pockets are well lined by the hacks.
> 
> Hey William, that's called "woman freedom to choose".  Woman right precedes the 
> baby-that-might-be rights for she is the sine-qua-none condition for the baby-who-might-be 
> to exist.
>
    as I said, I am personally against abortion, but your point is
    absolutely correct: it is "the freedom to chose" on the part of
    the woman who must carry the _potential_ child to term  --and,
    yes, the woman is the 'sine qua non' condition.

    what the absolutists in the Right to Life movements do not
    understand, and refuse to accept, is that they have _no_ God
    given right to tell another what they can or can not do that
    does not _directly_ infringe on their own rights; as a
    consequence, the fanatics believe they have the God given
    right to legislate morality --and then there are back alley
    coat hanger abortions where the nascent mother is placed
    at an unacceptable risk.

    and, there is nothing sadder than an unwanted, often fatherless, 
    child.

	attila out...

and you better believe the following are indisputable truths....

> Definition:  FACISM: n.:  a political and economic movement, strongly nationalistic, 
> magnifying the rights of the state as opposed to those of the individual, in which 
> industry, though remaining largely under private ownership, and all administrative
> political units, are controlled by a strong central government.
>         -------------------------------------------------
> "One of the ordinary modes by which tyrants accomplish their purpose, without resistance, 
> is by disarming the people and making it an offense to keep arms".  - Joseph Story, U.S. 
> Supreme Court Justice.
>         -------------------------------------------------
> "1935 will go down in history! For the first time a civilized nation has full gun 
> registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will 
> follow our lead in the future!"  
> 					-Adolf Hitler, April 1935
>         -------------------------------------------------
__________________________________________________________________________
    go not unto usenet for advice, for the inhabitants thereof will say:
      yes, and no, and maybe, and I don't know, and fuck-off.
_________________________________________________________________ attila__

    To be a ruler of men, you need at least 12 inches....
    There is no safety this side of the grave.  Never was; never will be.







From Hua at teralogic-inc.com  Wed Jun 24 09:35:21 1998
From: Hua at teralogic-inc.com (Ernest Hua)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 09:35:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: OCR'ed versions of Skipjack docs
Message-ID: <413AC08141DBD011A58000A0C924A6D52C357C@MVS2>


Anyone have an OCR'ed version of this?  These PDF's look like scanned or
faxed images.

Ern

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	John Young [SMTP:jya at pipeline.com]
	Sent:	Wednesday, June 24, 1998 6:53 AM
	To:	cypherpunks at toad.com
	Subject:	Skipjack Up


	John,

	The files are up, and hopefully all working OK.  See


	http://csrc.nist.gov/encryption/skipjack-kea.htm

	Ed Roback






From schneier at counterpane.com  Wed Jun 24 10:33:31 1998
From: schneier at counterpane.com (Bruce Schneier)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:33:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Comments on "Encryption is Key to Securing Data" 22 Jun 98
Message-ID: <4.0.1.19980624120317.00e447b0@mail.visi.com>


This note is to comment on your article,  "Encryption is Key to Securing Data," that appeared in the 22 Jun 98 issue of InternetWeek.  I'm not sure where to start.  Almost every statement made in the copy is erroneous.  (There was an error when I tried to download the article from your website, so I will retype.  Apologies for minor typos.)

Encryption is Key to Securing Data
by Dayna DelMonico

"Although encryption terminology can make even the most technically astute user cringe, encryption is fairly simple."  

I agree, although the rest of this article seems to prove me wrong.  

"It's the process of scambling and unscrambling information."

Partly.  It's confidentially (what you said above--making sure secret things stay secret), integrity (making sure data doesn't get modified in transit), authentication (the digital analogue of a signature), and non-repudiation (making sure someone can't say something and then later deny saying it).  Cryptography is a lot more than simple encryption.

"Encryption products showed up when MIS managers adopted two basic encryption technologies from the federal government: private and public-key encryption."

Nothing correct here.  The Federal government has no public-key cryptography standards; MIS managers have nothing to adopt from the Federal government.  You might be thinking of DES, a symmetric encryption algorithm.  (More on this confusion below.)  In any case, commercial use of cryptography products has developed completely independently from government interference.  In fact, things like export control and key escrow are making it harder to buy secure commercial products, not easier.

"With private key encryption, the sends and recieve are the holders and use the same key (algorithm) to secure information."

No.  First off, private-key encryption is a bad term; use "symmetric encryption."  Second, I'm not sure what they are the holders of.  With symmetric encryption, both the sender and the receiver must have the same key; that may be what you mean.  In any case, the key and the algorithm are completely seperate.  This is one of the cornerstones of post-Medieval cryptography.

"With public key encryption, senders and receivers hold a commonly used public key, with an additional private key held only by specific institutions."

Not even close.  With public-key encryption, each receiver has a public key and a private key.  The public key is published.  The private key is held, in secret, by the receiver.  To send a message to someone, the sender gets the public key form some public database and uses it to encrypt the message.  The receiver uses his private key to decrypt it.  There are no specific institutions that have additional private keys, unless you are thinking about key escrow systems (which are related, but not the same).

"To protect systems from the loss of the key, many vendors offer assymetric encypion, which uses two keys."

Sort of.  Assymetric encryption is the same as public-key encryption (just another word), and there are two keys.  But the reason for using public-key encryption is not to prevent the loss of a key, but to facilitate key management.  (With symmetric encryption, both the sender and receiver have to share a key.  How this sharing takes place can be very complicated.)

"Users can choose from products based on various schemes.  Beware, however, that even stronger encryption methods are on the horizon and destined for the next generation of encryption products.  The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) is expected to complete and Advanced Encryption Standard (AES) by the end of the year."

Even NIST has said that AES will not be finalized before 2000.  And AES is just a new symmetric algorithm; it has nothing to do with public-key cryptography.

"The new standard wil luse a 128-bit block size, with key lengths of 128-, 192-, and 256-bits, as opposed to the current 64-bit blocks with 56-bit key standard."

True.  The current standard is DES.

"RSA Data Security also has proposed its own algorithm to content for the new AES standard."

Sort of.  NIST has solicited proposals for algorithms.  Fifteen groups submitted, including RSA Data Security.  RSADSI is competing with other groups--Cylink, IBM, Entrust, Counterpane Systems, NTT, etc--not with NIST.  NIST does not hav an algorithm.

"RSA's extensions to DES, RC4 and RC5 implement multiple keys as well as digital signatures."

Many mistakes here.  RSADSI submitted RC6 to the AES process, which uses many ideas from RC5.  It has nothing to do with DES or RC4.  I'm not sure why multiple keys is something to talk about; as I said above, every algorithm post the Middle Ages uses multiple keys.  And digital signatures have nothing to do with the AES process.  AES is a  new symmetric encryption algorithm; digital signatures are done with public key cryptography.  They are different.

"Another contender is Blowfish II."

I submitted this algorithm.  We called it Twofish, but some early press reports called it Blowfish II.

"The Blowfish scheme, often referred to as PGP (Pretty Good Privacy), lets the sending and receiving computers negotiate a complex number."

First, Blowfish is never referred to as PGP.  Blowfish is a symmetric encryption algorithm.  PGP is an email security product.  PGP could have decided to use Blowfish, but it used IDEA and CAST instead.  Those are two different encrytpion algorithms.  And neither PGP, nor Blowfish, nor anything else discussed to or alluded to in this article, involve sending and receiving computers negotiating complex numbers.

"That number is used to scamble the transmission and unscramble the data that is received."

What you mean to say, I think, is that PGP uses public-key cryptography for key exchange.  The sender uses the reciver's public key to encrypt a session key, and that session key is used to encrypt the email message.

"For more on encryption and encryption products, a buyer's first stop should be the International Computer Security Association.  This ICSA is an independent organization that tests and certifies security products."

ICSA is a private for-profit company, despite what the name implies.  And while they do do some testing and certifying of security products, they do not test or certify encryption products.

Honestly, I can't believe this article made it into print.  Don't you have editors?

Bruce Schneier
President, Counterpane Systems
Author, Applied Cryptography
http://www.counterpane.com





From CTIA_Daily_News at tour.unitymail.com  Wed Jun 24 10:50:36 1998
From: CTIA_Daily_News at tour.unitymail.com (CTIA Daily News)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:50:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: CTIA Daily News from WOW-COM - June 24, 1998
Message-ID: <199806241728.MAA10305@revnet4.revnet.com>



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From caj at math.niu.edu  Wed Jun 24 10:53:51 1998
From: caj at math.niu.edu (Xcott Craver)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 10:53:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Banning privacy: A radical proposal
In-Reply-To: <19980624011241.15925.qmail@hades.rpini.com>
Message-ID: 


On 24 Jun 1998, Anonymous wrote:

> This came from Yahoo/ZDNet. Mr. Pappas suggests that we just ban anonymity
> and privacy to "protect the children." Now where have I heard that before?
> And yet again, the "Ethical Hackers Against Pedophilia" raise their heads,
> no pun intended.

	Thanks for the info.  Maybe some merry band of pranksters
	would be willing to sneak into this guy's house and install
	an obvious-looking mock camera over his shower head?  I mean,
	just in case he's a child molester and all.

	Maybe once we're done legislating the internet, we can
	legislate the topolology of Euclidean space, so that every
	point is within earshot of a mike and eyeshot of a camera.
	After all, those evil child molesting evil bad evil people
	might take to doing evil stuff in their basement, or the
	nearby woods!

==-  Xcott Craver -- Caj at niu.edu -- http://www.math.niu.edu/~caj/  -==
"Also note that elecronagnetic theory proves that if you microwave a
 bar of Ivory soap it turns into a REAL MARSHMALLOW THAT YOU CAN EAT."
                                                   -James "Kibo" Parry






From whgiii at invweb.net  Wed Jun 24 16:49:02 1998
From: whgiii at invweb.net (William H. Geiger III)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:49:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Banning privacy: A radical proposal
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <199806242352.SAA029.59@geiger.com>


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In , on 06/24/98 
   at 11:10 AM, attila  said:

>> Hey William, that's called "woman freedom to choose".  Woman right precedes the 
>> baby-that-might-be rights for she is the sine-qua-none condition for the baby-who-might-be 
>> to exist.
>>
>    as I said, I am personally against abortion, but your point is
>    absolutely correct: it is "the freedom to chose" on the part of
>    the woman who must carry the _potential_ child to term  --and,
>    yes, the woman is the 'sine qua non' condition.

The woman made her choice when her legs went up in the air. Because she
does not wish to be inconvenienced by the consequences of her actions does
not give here the right to commit murder.


>    what the absolutists in the Right to Life movements do not
>    understand, and refuse to accept, is that they have _no_ God
>    given right to tell another what they can or can not do that
>    does not _directly_ infringe on their own rights; as a
>    consequence, the fanatics believe they have the God given
>    right to legislate morality --and then there are back alley
>    coat hanger abortions where the nascent mother is placed
>    at an unacceptable risk.

Bunk, their are numerous laws that tell others what they can or can not
do. It is illegal to steal, it is illegal to commit murder. The fact they
you may be stealing from someone else or trying to kill someone else does
not make it any less illegal (and immoral). Every human has basics rights;
the right to life being the cornerstone of those rights.

I think it quite acceptable for someone to incur risks while in the act of
commiting murder up to and including their own death. As far as the
practitioners of murderer for profit they are no better than the Nazi's
gassing the Jews.

>    and, there is nothing sadder than an unwanted, often fatherless, 
>    child.

Yes their is, a dead one. I suggest you talk to some "unwanted",
fatherless children and ask them if they would rather be dead (not to
mention die a quite painful and barbaric death). I think you will find
that few of them share your opinions on the matter.

 I really didn't want this to turn into an abortion debate. I was
just trying to show the hypocrisy of the "save the children" crowd.

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From attila at hun.org  Wed Jun 24 20:19:00 1998
From: attila at hun.org (attila)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 20:19:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Banning privacy: A radical proposal
In-Reply-To: <199806242352.SAA029.59@geiger.com>
Message-ID: 


On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, William H. Geiger III wrote:

>  I really didn't want this to turn into an abortion debate. I was
> just trying to show the hypocrisy of the "save the children" crowd.
> 
    what I said was that I am _personally_ against abortion;  and,
    yes, I _personally_ consider it a offense against our God; but,
    I do not go so far as to say it is murder in the social context; 
    I do believe that is not my privilege to tell another they can
    not commit the sin of "choosing when their legs went in the 
    air"; and, abortion statistics show that the vast majority of
    abortions are for "mistakes" or failure of birth control. keep
    in mind, the extreme right has also been campaigning to
    eliminate the availability of birth control --which then raises
    the abortion rate... and, if you want to shade the argument,
    should all abortion be illegal?  date rape? rape? deformity?
    downs syndrome, bifidia? health of the mother?

    yes, let's drop the subject as there is no solution.  

    few can debate the issue calmly, or even intelligently. I just
    look at abortion as a fact of society that has been with us for
    milleniums; you cant stop it any more than Prohibition was
    successful, or the War on Drugs has been successful.  why does
    the government continue the war on drugs? simple, it's
    profitable for them in many ways (as the largest vendor, if
    nothing else). 

    besides, if we want to have a pissing contest, I am as far right
    as it goes --with one exception: I dont want to change anyone!
    we call it "free-agency" --them that wish to go to Hell, line 
    up on the left! --or dont, if you do not wish to-- the choice
    is yours.

    'nuff said!

	attila out...

___________________________________________________________________
three things I dont tolerate:  crackers, fed stoolies, and toadies.

	






From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Thu Jun 25 00:04:49 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 00:04:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Skipjack extensibility
Message-ID: <199806250705.JAA31711@basement.replay.com>



NSA made a claim that Skipjack couldn't be extended past 80 bits of key. Most
plausible explanation to my mind is that they're lying. Second is that there is
an attack against a class of Skipjack-like ciphers that requires only a few
plaintexts and 2^80 operations. Third is that some common key-lengthening
tricks like those for 2-key-3DES, DES-X, and DEAL fail when applied to
Skipjack. I can hardly fathom one resistant to all three, but I guess it's
possible with NSA.

Seems to me that you could always figure out some construct so that no
practically-secure cipher with Skipjack's observable properties could evade
having its key lengthened with much probability. Or maybe not. IANAC.

Besides, it's impossible to make a cipher that can't be used to construct
constructs with bigger key lengths: Skipjack(cryptovariable, IDEA(key,
plaintext)) -- terminology jab intended -- provably has an effective key length
as long as IDEA's. Even if that is cheating...






From jya at pipeline.com  Thu Jun 25 04:57:47 1998
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 04:57:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: NSA Declass Query
Message-ID: <199806251157.HAA13191@dewdrop2.mindspring.com>


Spyrus claims in a press release yesterday that NSA
announced declassification of SKIPJACK and KEA on
June 6, earlier than the DoD notice on June 23. 

Does anyone know where and how NSA made this
earlier announcement, and whether there is a document
on it? We've queried Spyrus but no answer yet.

Spyrus has scheduled a June 30 conference on its release
of a FORTEZZA library and products in connection with
the NSA declassification. Bruce Schneier is a keynote
speaker.


http://www.spyrus.com/company/releases/pr_swf.html









From jya at pipeline.com  Thu Jun 25 05:40:34 1998
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 05:40:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: CIA 4 Nags: Hackers Crypto Y2K Foreigners
Message-ID: <199806251240.IAA05050@dewdrop2.mindspring.com>


June 24, 1998
CIA Head Forsees Better Hackers
Filed at 5:43 p.m. EDT
By The Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Intrusion into government computers 
will become increasingly more sophisticated and better 
organized and is likely to involve hostile nations, CIA 
Director George Tenet told lawmakers Wednesday. 

"Potential attackers range from national intelligence 
and military organizations, terrorists, criminals, 
industrial competitors, hackers and disgruntled or 
disloyal insiders," Tenet told the Senate Governmental
Affairs Committee. "We know with specificity of several 
nations that are working on developing an information 
warfare capability." 

While Tenet did not identify the countries, committee 
Chairman Fred Thompson, R-Tenn., who received a classified 
briefing on Tuesday, named some of them. Citing published 
reports, Thompson said China, Russia, Libya, Iraq and Iran 
and at least seven other countries are developing 
information warfare programs. 

The challenge facing U.S. intelligence will be to detect 
attacks on U.S.computers and information systems by 
organized or individual hackers. In some cases, Tenet said, 
disruptive intrusions orchestrated by hostile states may 
be disguised as amateurish efforts by individual hackers. 

"Our electric power grids and our telecommunications 
networks will be targets of the first order," Tenet said. 
"An adversary capable of implanting the right virus or 
accessing the right terminal can cause massive damage." 

The shift of the computer hacker problem from individuals 
and terrorist groups to governments is only beginning, 
Tenet said, but he added, "Down the line we are going to 
encounter more and it will be more organized." 

Tenet cited one case, without naming it, of a foreign 
government targeting the United States for intrusion into 
information systems. 

Sen. Joseph Lieberman, D-Conn., asked if the U.S. 
government is taking steps to develop its own offensive 
hacking capability to disrupt adversaries and to serve as 
a deterrent for computer-based attacks. 

"We're not asleep at the switch in this regard," Tenet 
replied. 

Air Force Lt. Gen. Kenneth Minihan, head of the National 
Security Agency, said it was not going too far to think in 
terms of an "electronic Pearl Harbor," a well-organized 
assault on the United States based on strikes aimed at 
electronic information systems. 

The most sensitive information centers, such as CIA and 
Pentagon classified files, are heavily guarded against 
such intrusion and, in most cases, are fenced off from 
Internet-type transfers. The problems are more likely to
arise in less well-guarded areas such as financial 
networks or industrial control centers. 

"They're not going to attack our strengths," Minihan said. 

A key area of vulnerability within the intelligence 
community, Tenet said, is the possibility of a disloyal 
or disgruntled employee wreaking havoc with CIA computers. 
Another scenario stems from the difficulty the CIA is
encountering finding enough software specialists to grapple 
with the "Year 2000" problem, caused by computers not being 
programmed to recognize the shift in the calendar from 1999 
to 2000. 

Most of the contractors available to help the agency, Tenet 
said, would use foreigners, affording "an easy opportunity 
to come in and see how your system works and what your 
vulnerabilities are." 

The running debate over the availability of increasingly 
sophisticated encryption technology, which scrambles messages 
and data from unauthorized intrusion, also poses a worry, 
Tenet said. 

Unless the computer industry and the government find a 
legislative compromise, the government could fall victim to 
hackers able to hide their own actions in impenetrable 
encryption codes. It may take a major computer-hacker 
incident to create the political pressure needed to allow
the government the "recovery" power to access encrypted 
databases. 

"There is a train wreck waiting to happen unless we deal 

with the recovery aspect of the encryption debate," Tenet 
said. 

------








From billp at nmol.com  Thu Jun 25 07:11:25 1998
From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:11:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Skipjack SIMULATIONS
Message-ID: <3592598D.1EAE@nmol.com>

willis at rand.org            http://www.jya.com/skipjack-fi.htm 
Markus.Kuhn at cl.cam.ac.uk   http://www.jya.com/skipjack-uk.htm
perry at piermont.com         http://jya.com/skipjack-pem.txt
mab at research.att.com       http://www.jya.com/skipjack-mab.htm
colin at nyx.net              http://www.jya.com/skipjack-cp.txt

Guys

I looked at your neat, what I would call, SIMULATIONS of the skipjack
algorithm.

I get an uncomfortable feeling in terms of work involved in implementing

/* The permutation G */
#define G(l, r, key, koff) \
        ((l) ^= F[(r) ^ (key)[(koff)%10]],      \
        (r) ^= F[(l) ^ (key)[((koff)+1)%10]],   \
        (l) ^= F[(r) ^ (key)[((koff)+2)%10]],   \
        (r) ^= F[(l) ^ (key)[((koff)+3)%10]])

on, say, an 8051.

NSA gave Sandia similar algorithm SPECIFICATIONS.

I simulated Benincasa�s NSS/USO algorithm in Forth to make sure
I THOUGH that I understood it.   And could produce the test vectors.
http://jya.com/da/whpda.htm

In the REAL WORLD at Sandia some of the following considerations
IMMEDIATELY DOMINATE THE ALGORITHM.

1    power budget
2    thermal constraints
3    size limitations
4    conducted and radiated emissions
5    radiation-hard requirements
6    speed requirements
7    memory requirements
8    red/black analysis
9    hardware fault tolerance [DELFAS]
10   implementation work GUESS
11   software technology limitations [Can we use Forth?]
12   ...

I am guessing that putting Skipjack on, say, on a smart card might
involve some hairy engineering.  

NSA KG units Brian Snow showed me were fairly small in size.  Say
about 1-2 inches x  1-2 inches x 5-6 inches.

Shift register crypto technology is much simpler than number-based
crypto technology.  Size, power, scalability, ... are the reasons, I
think, 
that NSA uses shift registers for its GOOD STUFF.

Also, NSA/Sandia had SOME REAL project DISASTERS with number-based
crypto.  Expensive, embarrassing, ...  What ever happened to Sandia�s
low- and high-speed public key crypto chips?

I am very pleased to see all of this information getting out so everyone
can look at it.

I may have a project coming up - protecting gas pipeline survey data
from competitors.  I DO NOT plan to TRY TO reinvent a crypto algorithm. 

I will implement someone else�s idea.  Good idea from a liability
standpoint too!

Morales and I need to complete our SETTLEMENT PROJECT so that we
can all move on to other CONSTRUCTIVE projects.

Best
bill

http://www.apcatalog.com/cgi-bin/AP?ISBN=0125475705&LOCATION=US&FORM=FORM2

http://www-hto.usc.edu/software/seqaln/doc/html/gfsr.3.html


Subject: 
        Judicial Misconduct at Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals
  Date: 
        Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:29:01 -0600
  From: 
        bill payne 
    To: 
        art morales , senator_hatch at Hatch.senate.gov, senator at thurmond.senate.gov,
        chuck_grassley at grassley.senate.gov, senator_specter at specter.senate.gov, 
senator_thompson at thompson.senate.gov,
        info at kyl.senate.gov, senator_dewine at dewine.senate.gov, john_ashcroft at ashcroft.senate.gov, 
michigan at abraham.senate.gov,
        senator_leahy at leahy.senate.gov, senator at kennedy.senate.gov, senator at biden.senate.gov, 
senator_kohl at kohl.senate.gov,
        senator at feinstein.senate.gov, russell_feingold at feingold.senate.gov, dick at durbin.senate.gov, 
senator at torricelli.senate.gov
    CC: 
        steve dillingham <" Steven.Dillingham"@hq.doe.gov>, Robert Nordhaus <" 
Robert.Nordhaus"@hq.doe.gov>, mrgall at ix.netcom.com,
        jy at jya.com, art morales , federico pena <" Federico.F.Pena"@hq.doe.gov>, 
RJPARK at sandia.gov,
        cypherpunks at toad.com, ukcrypto at maillist.ox.ac.uk


Monday 6/22/98 1:02 PM

Senate Judiciary Committee
http://www.senate.gov/committee/judiciary.html

Republicans

Orrin G. Hatch, Utah, Chairman   senator_hatch at Hatch.senate.gov
Strom Thurmond, South Carolina   senator at thurmond.senate.gov
Charles E. Grassley, Iowa   chuck_grassley at grassley.senate.gov
Arlen Specter, Pennsylvania   senator_specter at specter.senate.gov
Fred Thompson, Tennessee   senator_thompson at thompson.senate.gov
Jon Kyl, Arizona   info at kyl.senate.gov
Mike DeWine, Ohio   senator_dewine at dewine.senate.gov
John Ashcroft, Missouri   john_ashcroft at ashcroft.senate.gov
Spencer Abraham, Michigan   michigan at abraham.senate.gov
Jeff Sessions, Alabama

Democrats

Patrick J. Leahy, Vermont   senator_leahy at leahy.senate.gov
Edward M. Kennedy, Massachusetts   senator at kennedy.senate.gov
Joseph R.Biden, Jr., Delaware   senator at biden.senate.gov
Herb Kohl, Wisconsin   senator_kohl at kohl.senate.gov
Dianne Feinstein, California   senator at feinstein.senate.gov
Russell D. Feingold, Wisconsin   russell_feingold at feingold.senate.gov
Richard Durbin, Illinois   dick at durbin.senate.gov
Robert Torricelli, New Jersey   senator at torricelli.senate.gov

Purpose of this e-mail is to give written proof of criminal judicial
misconduct by Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals clerks Hoecker, Fisher, and
Judges Moore, Barrett, Weis and help get this matter settled.

Thursday March 30, 1995 I wrote Tenth Circuit clerk Hoecker to request a
copy of the docket sheets for case 94-2205  Payne v. Sandia Corporation,
et al

Hoecker did not answer my letter.

On Tuesday March 5,1996 I  wrote  Judge Lucius D. Bunton to ask his help
to get a copy of the docket sheets.  No response.

On Monday September 23, 1996 Arthur R Morales and I wrote  Henry A.
Politz, Chief Judge U.S. Court of Appeals - Fifth Circuit to ask his
help to get a copy of the docket sheets of my case and Morales� Tenth
Circuit case 95-2204.

Tenth Circuit also refused to send Morales copies of docket sheets for
his case.

Politz is Bunton's boss.  No response.

Friday May 30, 1997 I wrote Antonin Scalia to get this help to get a
copy of the docket sheets.  No response.

5 May 1998 citizen John Young finds docket sheets on

    Source: PACER, U.S. Court of Appeals, 10th Circuit, 1-800-279-9107

and posts them on Internet at http://jya.com/whp-10usca.htm

  Docket as of April 10, 1998 0:05 am
  Proceedings include all events.
  94-2205  Payne v. Sandia Corporation, et al

shows that I filed my Brief of the Appellant on 2/19/95.

2/23/95     [835344] Appellant's brief filed by William H. Payne.
            Original and 7 copies.   c/s: y. Served on 2/19/95  Oral
            argument? pro se. Appellee/Respondent's brief due 3/24/95
            for Thomas P. Wright, for Robert Surran, for Paul A.
            Stokes, for Mary J. Stang, for Tommy A. Sellers, for Craig
            A. Searls, for Albert Narath, for Preston B. Herrington,
            for Peter S. Hamilton, for Roger L. Hagengruber, for James
            R. Gosler, for Harold L. Folley, for Robert L. Ewing, for
            C. William Childers, for Harvey J. Brewster, for Sandia
            Corporation (mbm)

mbm writes "Appellee/Respondent's brief due 3/24/95"

Sandia had sent me a copy of its brief by 3/28/96.

I filed  attached MOTION TO GRANT PLAINTIFF-APPELLANT'S DEMANDS ON BASIS
THAT DEFENDANT-APPELLEES FAILED TO FILE BRIEF WITHIN 30 DAYS SPECIFIED
BY FEDERAL RULE OF APPELLATE PROCEDURE 31 on Tuesday the 28th day of
March, 1995

My February 28 MOTION at the Tenth Circuit is filed WITHOUT notice of
service logged.

4/4/95       [845484] Appellant's motion filed by Appellant William H.
             Payne [94-2205] to grant appellant's demands on basis that
             appellees' failed to file timely brief. Original and 3
             copies  c/s: y (mbm)

In 1995 FRAP 25 (a) stated  "[b]riefs shall be deemed filed on the day
of mailing if the 
most expeditious form of delivery by mail, excepting special delivery,
is used."

FRAP 25 has been changed by 1998 to
http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/docs/frap-iop.htm#25a

Since I mailed Appellant's motion filed by Appellant William H.  Payne
[94-2205] to grant appellant's demands on basis that appellees' failed
to file timely brief on 3/28/98, it is likely Sandia's lawyer Friedman
received it 3/29/95.

Tenth Circuit logs

3/30/95      [844759] Appellee's brief filed by Sandia Corporation,
             Harvey J. Brewster, C. William Childers, Robert L. Ewing,
             Harold L. Folley, James R. Gosler, Roger L. Hagengruber,
             Peter S. Hamilton, Preston B. Herrington, Albert Narath,
             Craig A. Searls, Tommy A. Sellers, Mary J. Stang, Paul A.
             Stokes, Robert Surran, Thomas P. Wright. Original and 7
             copies. c/s: y. Served on 3/27/95  Oral Argument? y
             (appellant is pro se) Appellant's optional reply brief due
             4/13/95 for William H. Payne (mbm)

Federal Rule of Appellate Procedure [FRAP] 26 (c) states

  (c) Additional Time after Service. When a party is required or
permitted to act within a      prescribed period after service of a
paper upon that party, 3 calendar days are added to the     prescribed
period unless the paper is delivered on the date of service stated in
the proof of   service. 

  http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/docs/frap-iop.htm#26c

While the Tenth Circuit ASSERTS Appellees� brief was, in fact, served on
3/27/95
evidence given below points to the brief  was served, in fact, on
3/29/95.  

I allege that Friedman affixed a false date of service to Sandia's
brief.

I WAS NEVER PROPERLY SERVED.  I wrote

          Wednesday March 29, 1995

          Dan Friedman
          Simons, Cuddy & Friedman
          Pecos Trail Office Compound
          1701 Old Pecos Trail
          POB 4160
          Santa Fe, NM 87502-4160
          505-988-4476
          505-984-1807 FAX

          Dear Lawyer Friedman:

          Today at 14:00 hours I found a green and white about 9x13
          inch envelope in our mail box at my home.

          Mailing label indicated that the envelope came from your
          firm.  CONFIDENTIAL was stamped on the mailing label.

          I  wrote "Received at 14:00 hours on W 3/29/95 with no
          POSTMARK OR STAMP by W. H. Payne" at the bottom of the
          envelope.

          There was no STAMP OR POSTAGE METER LABEL or 
          POSTMARK on the envelope.

          Therefore, I gave the envelope to US Postal Service
          supervisor Mel at 14:49 hours today at the Postal Receiving
          station at 9904 Montgomery, NW in Albuquerque.  Mel has a
          copy of the cover of the envelope with Mel's note written on
          it.

          Mel told me the post office was going to return the envelope
          to your firm for proper mailing.

          I ask:

         1    What did this envelope contain?  Please identify
              the documents precisely.

         2    If any Certificates of Service were included in the
              envelope, then what were the dates affixed to these
              documents?

         3    Who placed this envelope in our mail box?

         Lawyer Friedman:  It appears you missed an important filing
         date.  And are in the process of attempt to correct your
         failure.  But may be using illegitimate methods to conceal
         your failure.

         Please respond as soon as possible so that we all may
         discover what has happened here." ...

Lawyer Friedman did not respond to the above letter.

But Friedman did mail me Appellees� brief many days later in envelope
showing TRUE MAILING date.  Certificate of service on received
Appellees� brief
did not reflect postmark date.

10th Cir. R. 25.4 in 1995 page 62 reads
  
  Papers not accepted for filing. -- The clerk shall not file papers
that do not comply
  with the Federal Rules of Appellate Procedure and these rules See
10thCir. R. 42.1

But Tenth Circuit clerks Fisher and Hoecker despite my protests and
submission of
evidence may have stamped FILED on Sandia's IMPROPERLY SERVED 
Appellee/Respondent's brief according to the Federal Rules of Appellate
Procedure.

Laywer Friedman FALSIFIED THE CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE.   

Friedman DID NOT MAIL ME "Served on 3/27/95."

d) Proof of Service; Filing. A paper presented for filing shall contain
an acknowledgment of service by the   person served or proof of service
in the form of a statement of the date and manner of service, of the
name of the person served, and of the addresses to which the papers were
mailed or at which they were delivered, certified by the person who made
service. Proof of service may appear on or be affixed to the papers
filed. When a brief or appendix is filed by mailing or dispatch in
accordance with Rule 25(a)(2)(B), the proof of service shall also state
the date and manner by which the document was mailed or dispatched to
the clerk.

  http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/docs/frap-iop.htm#25a
  
Crime apparently committed by Hoecker and Fisher is

� 1017. Government seals wrongfully used and instruments wrongfully
sealed 

Whoever fraudulently or wrongfully affixes or impresses the seal of any
department or agency of the United States, to or upon any certificate,
instrument, commission, document, or paper or with knowledge of its
fraudulent character, with wrongful or fraudulent intent, uses, buys,
procures, sells, or transfers to another any such certificate,
instrument, commission, document, or paper, to which or upon which said
seal has been so fraudulently affixed or impressed, shall be fined under
this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both. 
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1017.shtml

Despite my protests of judicial misconduct Judges Moore, Barrett, Weis
award decision to Sandia

10/6/95      [890055] Order filed by Judges Moore, Barrett, Weis
             "...All outstanding motions are denied..." (found in Order
             & Judgment of 10/6/95) [879579-1]  Parties served by mail.
             (pdw)

when these judges should not have had Appellees� brief before them.

Then in an apparently attempt to conceal what happened

10/6/95     [890076]  NOTE: THIS ENTIRE CASE IS SEALED. Terminated on
            the Merits after Submission Without Oral Hearing; Judgment
            Affirmed; Written, Signed, Unpublished. Moore, authoring
            judge; Barrett; Weis. [94-2205] (pdw)

I WON MY APPEAL, pro se, ON A TECHNICALITY but judges Judges Moore,
Barrett, Weis
awarded the win to Sandia Labs!

Members of Congress, judicial misconduct in this matter has been
well-documented.  Court records
filed with the Tenth Circuit.  But CURRENTLY under seal.

Lawyers involved in this matter attempt to use the legal strategy of
IGNORE and STONEWALL to
attempt to deny me justice.  

Ignoring and stonewalling by lawyers forced Morales and me to seek
visibility so lawyers
could no longer ignore and stonewall.

Lawyer attitude apparently is that they ignore rules of civil procedure
or even the law so long
as their actions are invisible to public scrutiny.

Visibility was achieved by suing the National Security Agency which
revealed even more judicial misconduct http://www.jya.com/whp052898.htm.

I would like to settle all  matters involved with this unfortunate
cyrpto-related matter,
which includes criminal violations of the Privacy Act.

DOE lawyer Steve Dillingham asked me to prepare a settlement offer in
1994.  I wrote a
settlement letter  May 22, 1994 to Dillingham.  Nothing happened.

June 11, 1998 I made several modifications to my 1994 settlement letter
and sent it e-mail
to Robert Nordhaus, Chief Counsel, DOE.

I ask that you

1  help with settlement of my six-year-old since I won my appeal at the
Tenth Circuit,
2  investigate Tenth Circuit case 94-2205  Payne v. Sandia Corporation,
et al to bring
   the guilty to justice.

Sincerely

william payne

505 292 7037  I am not reading e-mail

http://jya.com/whpfiles.htm
http://www.apcatalog.com/cgi-bin/AP?ISBN=0125475705&LOCATION=US&FORM=FORM2
http://www-hto.usc.edu/software/seqaln/doc/html/gfsr.3.html

Coauthor Lewis in the above is one of my former MS and PhD students in
computer science.

http://www.friction-free-economy.com/



Monday 6/22/98 1:04 PM

Members of Congress

Purpose of this e-mail is to give written proof of criminal judicial
misconduct by Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals clerks Hoecker, Fisher, and
Judges Anderson, Barrett, Logan and request a congressional
investigation.

After several years, with Payne, of trying to get Tenth Circuit to send
docket sheets from my case,
citizen John Young  http://www.jya.com/index.htm  locates docket sheets
and posts them
    
  Morales Case Dockets 10th USCA                    June 12, 1998

on Internet at http://www.jya.com/arm061298.htm.

  Source: Online records Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals via PACER 

  GENERAL DOCKET FOR
  Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals

  Court of Appeals Docket #: 95-2204                           Filed:
9/29/95
  Nsuit: 3440
  Morales v. Sandia National Lab.
  Appeal from: United States District Court for the District of New
Mexico

I filed

11/9/95     [898274] Appellant's brief filed by Arthur R. Morales.
            Original and 2 copies.   c/s: y. Served on 11/7/95.  Oral
            argument? pro se. Appellee's brief due 12/11/95 for Sandia
            National Lab. (pdw)

Sandia files its FIRST ATTEMPT at

12/11/95   [905033] Appellee's deficient brief filed by Sandia
           National Lab.. Appellee's corrected brief due 12/21/95 for
           Sandia National Lab.  additional copies received 12/11/95.
           (fg)

Tenth Circuit court clerk Patrick Fisher writes Wells on December 11,
1995
concerning Sandia's deficient brief

  [C]orrections, however made, must be accompanied by proof of service
  upon all other parties to the appeal. ...

and issues

12/14/95   [905975] FIRST notice of rules violation for Deborah D.
           Wells for Appellee Sandia National Lab. (sls)

Wells submits

12/21/95    [907974] Appellee's brief filed by Sandia National Lab..
            Original and 7 copies.   c/s: y. Served on 12/20/95  Oral
            Argument? n Appellant's optional reply brief due 1/8/96 for
            Arthur R. Morales (mbm)

but DOES NOT serve me with a copy.

Wells later admits in

2/1/96        [917660] Response filed by Sandia National Lab.
              Appellant/Petitioner motion to clarify   Original and 3
              copies.  c/s: y response Null Relief Code (fg)

Certificate of Service date 30th day of January, 1996,

  [h]ad Appellant simply made a phone call to the Tenth Circuit, he
could
  have established that the Defendant-Appellee's corrected brief was
indeed
  filed on a timely basis, ...

I protested by filing

1/3/96       [909965] Appellant's motion "for the Court to Grant
             Appeal" filed by Appellant Arthur R. Morales [95-2204].
             Original and 3 copies.  c/s: y. (pdw)

1/3/96       [909966] Appellant's motion "for New Trial" filed by
             Appellant Arthur R. Morales [95-2204]. Original and 3
             copies.  c/s: y. (pdw)

1/3/96       [909967] Appellant's motion "to Discipline
             Defendant-Appellee" filed by Appellant Arthur R. Morales
             [95-2204]. Original and 3 copies.  c/s: y. (pdw)

because Sandia did not properly serve me in violation of Fisher's
December
11, 1995 order.

The Tenth Circuit court of appeals should NOT, by its own rules, filed
Appellee's brief filed by Sandia National Lab..  Original and 7
copies.   
c/s: y. Served on 12/20/95

10th Cir. R. 25.4 in 1995 page 62 reads
  
  Papers not accepted for filing. -- The clerk shall not file papers
that do not comply
  with the Federal Rules of Appellate Procedure and these rules See
10thCir. R. 42.1

And is doubtful whether court clerk Fisher had any authority under
appellate procedure
to permit Wells to correct her deficient brief.  

Rather Sandia's  brief did not comply with with Federal Rules of
Appellate Procedure and should have been summarily rejected for filing.

I WON, pro se, my appeal to the Tenth circuit on a technicality but
Judges Anderson, Barrett, Logan
awarded the win to Sandia Labs.

4/2/96        [932848] Order filed by Judges Anderson, Barrett, Logan
              denying parties' motions for general relief(found in Order
              and Judgment of 4/2/96)--"...During the course of this
              appeal, the parties have filed various motions for
              dismissal, summary grant, and sanctions. We find no merit
              to any of these motions, and they are [920851-1] Parties
              served by mail. (pdw)

by accepting and judging on a documents which was not permitted to be
before the court by
its own rules.

Judicial misconduct in my case has been well-documented as it is in
Payne's case.

Payne and I speculate that similar judicial misconduct may have occurred
at the Tenth Circuit.

Sandia lawyer Robert J Park wrote me a settlement letter on Feb 18,
1998.

I filled in the blanks and made minor handwritten chages and returned it
on February 22, 1998.  

But my offer has not yet been accepted.

I ask that you

1  help have my settlement offer accepted,
2  investigate judicial misconduct in case 95-2204 and punish the
guilty.

Some citizens can only express such frustrations with the US court
system with violence.

I seek change by legal reform.

Sincerely

Arthur R Morales
505 345 1381




From ATU5713 at compuserve.com  Thu Jun 25 07:31:35 1998
From: ATU5713 at compuserve.com (Alan Tu)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 07:31:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Registering Euphoria
Message-ID: <199806251030_MC2-514B-F306@compuserve.com>


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--Alan
 





From Hua at teralogic-inc.com  Thu Jun 25 09:45:19 1998
From: Hua at teralogic-inc.com (Ernest Hua)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:45:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: CIA 4 Nags: Hackers Crypto Y2K Foreigners
Message-ID: <413AC08141DBD011A58000A0C924A6D52C357D@MVS2>


I just don't understand how, in 1998, anyone could let Tenet get away
with a claim about key recovery like this.  Didn't anyone ask him how he
expected high-tech hackers (especially those possibly aided by foreign
intelligence agencies) to use key recovery?

Ern

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	John Young [SMTP:jya at pipeline.com]
	Sent:	Thursday, June 25, 1998 5:37 AM
	To:	cypherpunks at toad.com
	Subject:	CIA 4 Nags: Hackers Crypto Y2K Foreigners


	June 24, 1998
	CIA Head Forsees Better Hackers
	Filed at 5:43 p.m. EDT
	By The Associated Press

	WASHINGTON (AP) -- Intrusion into government computers 

	[SNIP]

	Unless the computer industry and the government find a 
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	"There is a train wreck waiting to happen unless we deal 
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	said. 





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From jya at pipeline.com  Thu Jun 25 10:01:34 1998
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:01:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Dupes in NSA Release
Message-ID: <199806251701.NAA09644@dewdrop2.mindspring.com>


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We've asked ever-helpful Ed Roback at NIST about it but 
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Amazingly, thanks to Vanessa Talieri, NSA has cheerfully 
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From: jf_avon at citenet.net (Jean-Francois Avon)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:06:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: CIA 4 Nags: Hackers Crypto Y2K Foreigners
Message-ID: <199806251817.OAA23911@cti06.citenet.net>


On Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:35:40 -0700, Ernest Hua wrote:

>I just don't understand how, in 1998, anyone could let Tenet get away
>with a claim about key recovery like this.  Didn't anyone ask him how he
>expected high-tech hackers (especially those possibly aided by foreign
>intelligence agencies) to use key recovery?


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From maksim at volga.net  Thu Jun 25 11:19:42 1998
From: maksim at volga.net (Maksim Otstavnov)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:19:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: SORM: New ex-KGB moves in telecom
Message-ID: <199806251819.LAA21699@geocities.com>


-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

To whom it may concern:

The text between [Start of translation] and [End of translation] lines below
is a verbatim translation of the two drafts of documents which are currently
in the state of approvement by the two Russian ministries: Federal Security
Service (FSB, one of the five special services inheriting to KGB) and State
Committee on Communications (Goskomsvyaz'). The originals (and comments) are
available at the Libertarium Webpages (www.ice.ru/libertarium/sorm).

Inconsistencies of the original texts (including but not restrictive to:
paragraph misnumbering, language vagueness etc.) are left intact. I left the
two Russian abbreviations: SORM for the System of effitient research measures,
and FSB for the Federal Security Service, to avoid confusion in future.

In short: if approved, the rules will provide exKGB with technical facility to
_directly_ and covertly wiretap _any_ information transmitted via
telecommunication networks including telephone, telegraph, Internet etc. and
there will be no means to ensure KGBists obtained a court warrant (required by
Constitution and other federal legislation) before wiretapping.

Any informed comments (of legal and technological, not emotional nature) from
both organisations and from individual experts are welcome.

I am grateful to all involved with obtaining the documents. Hope some day I
will be in a position to mention them by their names...

- - Maksim Otstavnov

[Start of translation]

Approved                                                   
Deputy Director Federal Security Service
A.A.Bespalov
"____"___________1998

Confirmed
"____"___________1998

TECHNICAL  REQUIREMENTS 
TO THE SYSTEM OF TECHNICAL MEANS 
PROVIDING FOR THE FULLFILMENT OF EFFICIENT RESEARCH MEASURES 
IN THE DOCUMENTAL TELECOMMUNICATIONS NETWORKS

Approved
Head of the Telecommunications Management
A.Yu.Rokotyan
"____"___________1998�.

First Deputy to the Director General 
Of the Central Research Institute 
of the State Telecommunications of Russia
Yu.A.Alekseev
"____"___________1998�.

1. PURPOSE

1.1. The system of technical means destined to provide for the system of
efficient research measures (SORM) in the networks of the documental
telecommunications (NDTC) is being arranged at the basis of the Russian
Federation legislation and is meant to provide for technical support of the
above research measures in the telecommunications networks which are used for
supplying customers with telematic services, data transmission services, and
access to the world global information network of INTERNET. 

1.2 The actual technical requirements (TR) concern all NDTC regardless of
their forms of ownership formed previously or being currently formed according
to the Russian State Communications Committee licenses. 

1.3. SORM should provide for reading of all information (both incoming and
outgoing) belonging to the specific subscribers of the network(s) in question.

1.4. The actual TR should be observed regardless of what means of
information protection may be used in the NDTC.

1.5. The actual TR should be observed while providing additional services to
the NDTC subscribers.

1.6. The actual TR should be observed for each individual subscriber
regardless of the type of his connection to the DTC networks (individual or
collective). 

2. SET OF EQUIPMENT The set of SORM equipment should include:

  hardware and software means (HSM) providing for the requirements
fulfillment by SORM, these means should be part of the distant control center
(DCC) -  HSM SORM DCC;

  hardware and software means (HSM) providing for the requirements
fulfillment by SORM these means should be part of the NDTC node equipment -
HSM SORM NDTC;

  communication channel (communication lines and channeling hardware)
providing for establishing of communication between HSM SORM DCC and HSM
SORM NDTC; 

Note: The channeling hardware should be part of the HSM SORM NDTC equipment. 

  SORM software security and confidentiality protection means.

3. GENERAL REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SORM ORGANIZATION

3.1. NDTC SORM management should be controlled from the DCC by way of its
cooperation with the HSM SORM DCC via communication channels providing for
controlling commands transmission from the DCC to HSM SORM NDTC and for
information transmission from HSM SORM NDTC to the DCC. 

3.2 SORM should provide for transmission of the following information from the
HSM SORM NDTC to the DCC: 

  about the HSM SORM NDTC readiness; 

  about the results of DCC commands fulfillment; 

  about unauthorized interference with the HSM SORM NDTC work. 

3.3. SORM should provide for transmission to the DCC the NDTC
subscribers data base with the following information about subscribers at the
request of the DCC operator: 

  registration date in the DTC networks; 

  electronic address; 

  registration address; 

  additional services provided (including internet roaming (and voice
communication services). 

3.4. At the DCC command SORM should provide for receiving of the following
information pertaining to any individual user: 

  statistic information reading; 

  reading of information (both incoming and outgoing) belonging to specific
subscribers. 

Note: This command may be documented by the communications operator. 

3.5. SORM should provide for determination of: 

  subscriber's telephone number if he uses common carrier telephone line
(providing this line allows for this) for using telematic services and data
transmission;

  subscriber's electronic address if the latter uses other telecommunication
networks for using telematic services and data transmission. 

3.6. While reading statistical information SORM should provide for
transmission of the following information to the DCC HSM SORM NDTC: 

  period of work in the NDTC;

  telephone or commuted telephone line number or network address (of an other
network) used for NDTC access; 

  network addresses used for reception or transmission of information via
NDTC. 

3.7. While reading information SORM
should provide for transmission of the following information to the DCC HSM
SORM NDTC: 

  period of work in the NDTC; 

  telephone or commuted telephone line number or network address (other
network address) used for NDTC access; 

  real-time information transmitted via NDTC and belonging to specific
subscribers. 

3.8. The SORM reaction time from the moment of DCC command transmission to the
moment of its fulfillment confirmation by the HSM SORM NDTC reception should
not exceed 30 seconds (excluding the communication services access
discontinuation). 

4. HSM SORM NDTC AND HSM SORM DCC COMMUNICATION  INTERFACE 

4.1. Communication between SORM and DCC should be
conducted via the data transmission channel. 

4.2. Data transmission channel reservation should be provided. 

4.3. Switch to the reserve channel should be provided in case of the main
channel fault. 

4.4. The information exchange should be conducted via isolated communication
channel in a duplex regime at a speed not less than maximally allowed for the
NDTC subscribers. 

4.5. Interface of communication with the channeling equipment should comply
with the ITTU recommendations V.36, V.24, G.703. 

4.6. Protocol of digital data exchange between SORM and DCC should comply with
the X.25 ITTU recommendation (edition of 1995) for single chain LAPB
procedure. 

Note: When protocols used for the networks information exchange differ from
those recommended by the ITTU X.25 (such as TCP/IP), the protocol of
information exchange between SORM and DCC may differ from the protocol
mentioned in paragraph 4.6. as agreed with the FSB of Russia and the network
administration. 

4.7. The protocol of connection between SORM and DCC (the type of service
information, SORM/DCC interaction algorithm, arrangement of the information
transmission) should be defined in the process of SORM software development by
agreement with the FSB of Russia. 

5. SORM EFFICIENCY CONTROL 

5.1. Functional control of the SORM hardware and software efficiency against
the background of the NDTC equipment functioning should be provided for during
the exploitation. 

5.2. DCC should receive information concerning faults interfering with the
work of the NDTC SORM. 

5.3. Performance control of the information exchange channels between SORM and
DCC should be provided for. In case of the damage of information exchange
equipment data transmission should be cancelled and a corresponding message
should be transmitted to the maintenance personnel while automatic switch on
to the reserve channel should be fulfilled. 

6. UNAUTHORIZED INFORMATION ACCESS CONTROL 

6.1. The possibility of unauthorized interference with the process of
functioning and interaction between the HSM SORM NDTC and HSM SORM DCC should
be excluded. 

6.2. The possibility of unauthorized access to the data and software
providing for the HSM SORM NDTC interaction should be excluded. 

6.4. DCC should receive reports on all attempts of unauthorized access and
interference with the HSM SORM NDTC functioning. 

6.5. Information exchange between SORM and DCC should be secured. 

7. SORM INITIALIZING AND RESTART 

7.2. In case of SORM node software restart the information about this fact
should be transmitted to the DCC. 

7.3. Technological conditions of the SORM node software restart should
include the procedure of HSM SORM NDTC restart. 

7.4. A possibility of restarting part of the software controlling the work of
the HSM SORM NDTC should be provided for at the DCC command. 


_____________________________________________________________________________

Approved 
Deputy Director 
of the Federal Security Service 
of the Russian
Federation 
A.A.Bespalov 
"____"___________1998

Confirmed
"___"___________1998

THE ORDER OF IMPLEMENTATION OF THE SYSTEM OF THE EFFICIENT RESEARCH MEASURES
IN THE DOCUMENT TELECOMMUNICATIONS NETWORKS 

First Deputy to the Director General 
of the Central Research Institute 
of the State Telecommunications of Russia 
Yu.A.Alekseev

"____"___________1998


Administrations of the telecommunications documental networks (DTC) including
the services of data transmission, telematic services, Internet informational
resources access services that are guided by the "Technical  Requirements To
The System Of Technical Means Providing For  The Fullfilment Of Effecient
Research Measures In The Documental Telecommunications" should conduct the
following technical and administrative operations. A plan of measures to be
taken in order to implement the system of efficient research measures (SORM)
in the network consisting of two stages (the first stage may be missing)
should be developed and coordinated with the Federal Security Service of the
Russian Federation. 

The first stage - implementation of limited functions SORM using standard
equipment of the telecommunications provider, experimental running of the
system and evaluation of its compliance with the main technical SORM
requirements. 

The second stage - full fledged SORM implementation considering the results of
the experimental exploitation. The first stage provides for: 

1. Development and coordination with the FSB of the technological scheme and
SORM functioning algorithms at the telecommunications operator's network based
on the technical requirements. 

2. Correction if necessary of SORM technical requirements considering the
results of the first stage implementation. 

3. Development of the list of SORM hardware and software used at the first
stage and according to the results of the first stage (stating type, cost,
supply conditions and payer for each item). 

4. Preparation of proposals and coordination with the FSB of Russia of the
necessary communication protocols for data exchange between SORM equipment and
standard equipment of the telecommunications provider if the provider complies
with the SORM technical requirements (stage 2). 

5. Purchase and delivery of the SORM equipment in accordance with the list
provided by p. 3 

6. Allocation of necessary technical means for checking and tuning of the SORM
software at the provider's equipment. 

8. Organization of the intercity communication line between
telecommunications operator and the DCC.

9. Preparation of the exploitation and technical documentation for the SORM
including the regulations for the duty services interaction. 10. Testing and
tuning of the SORM hardware and software during interaction with the
telecommunications operator standard equipment. 

The first stage is completed as the SORM acceptance report is signed and it is
accepted for experimental exploitation as the result of the joint tests (FSB
as the contractor and the telecommunications operator as the performer.)

The second stage provides for:

1. Development of the SORM requirements for the telecommunications operator
equipment based on the "Technical  Requirements To The System Of Technical
Means Providing For  The Fulfillment Of Efficient Research Measures In The
Documental Telecommunications" (adjusted if necessary according to the results
of the first stage) containing the list of: 

  hardware and software means providing for the implementation of the SORM
requirements and included into the equipment of the node (nodes) of DTC
network - HSM SORM NDTC; 

  hardware and software means providing for implementation of the SORM
requirements and included into the DCC equipment - HSM SORM DCC; 

  type of channel for communication between NDTC and HSM SORM DCC; 

  type of equipment for the communication channel between the HSM SORM NDTC
and HSM SORM DCC; 

  the data exchange velocity between the HSM SORM NDTC and HSM SORM DCC; 

  protocol of the data exchange in the communication channel between HSM SORM
NDTC and HSM SORM DCC; 

  protocol of junction between HSM SORM NDTC and HSM SORM DCC; 

  information security and privacy protection software for the SORM.
Telecommunications operator should coordinate technical requirements with the
FSB of Russia. 

2. The specification of the specific hardware and software that should be
included as part of the standard equipment of the telecommunications operator
and of the DCC (stating type, cost, supply conditions and payer for each item)
is compiled according to the technical requirements. The specification is
coordinated by the telecommunications operator with the FSB of Russia organs. 

3. Technical design development for the SORM implementation by the
telecommunications operator's enterprise is fulfilled by the organization
licensed for the fulfillment of design works by the order of the
telecommunications operator. 

4. Development of the SORM technical exploitation documentation  including
regulation for duty services interaction. 

5. SORM equipment assembling at the telecommunications operator's enterprise
is fulfilled by the organization licensed for the fulfillment of assembling
works by the order of the telecommunications operator. 

6. Testing and tuning of the SORM software at the telecommunications
operator's equipment. 

7. Conducting joint SORM tests (FSB of the Russian Federation as a contractor
and the telecommunications operator as a performer). The second stage is
concluded with the SORM industrial exploitation acceptance report which is
jointly approved by the telecommunications operator management and the FSB of
Russia representatives. 

[End of translation]

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-- Maksim Otstavnov  http://www.ice.ru/otstavnov/
--   - chief, Labs of Civil & Financial Crypto
--   - editor, "CompuNomika" monthly
--   - maintainer of The Russian PGP HomePage





From CTIA_Daily_News at tour.unitymail.com  Thu Jun 25 11:43:47 1998
From: CTIA_Daily_News at tour.unitymail.com (CTIA Daily News)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 11:43:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: CTIA Daily News from WOW-COM - June 25, 1998
Message-ID: <199806251830.NAA11990@revnet4.revnet.com>



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From mgraffam at mhv.net  Thu Jun 25 12:14:55 1998
From: mgraffam at mhv.net (mgraffam at mhv.net)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:14:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: CIA 4 Nags: Hackers Crypto Y2K Foreigners
In-Reply-To: <413AC08141DBD011A58000A0C924A6D52C357D@MVS2>
Message-ID: 


On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, Ernest Hua wrote:

> I just don't understand how, in 1998, anyone could let Tenet get away
> with a claim about key recovery like this.  Didn't anyone ask him how he
> expected high-tech hackers (especially those possibly aided by foreign
> intelligence agencies) to use key recovery?

Easy. Make not using key recovery a crime with stiffer penalties than
any hack. If you can't get 'em on the hack, you get em on a crypto-related
charge. Scary stuff.

Michael J. Graffam (mgraffam at mhv.net)
http://www.mhv.net/~mgraffam -- Philosophy, Religion, Computers, Crypto, etc
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-incurred immaturity.
Immaturity is the inability to use one's own understanding without the
guidance of another. . .Sapere aude! Have the courage to use your own
understanding!" - Immanuel Kant "What is Enlightenment?"






From Hua at teralogic-inc.com  Thu Jun 25 12:28:55 1998
From: Hua at teralogic-inc.com (Ernest Hua)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:28:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: CIA 4 Nags: Hackers Crypto Y2K Foreigners
Message-ID: <413AC08141DBD011A58000A0C924A6D52C357F@MVS2>


It is my humble opinion that possession of something physical that the
average person does not have the means to manufacture without
significant cost is very different from possession of something anyone
with high school math/CS skills can create from freely available books.

Now, if, next week, someone demonstrates a gun or some other physical
offensive weapon easily manufacturable using off the shelf parts at $10
a pop with less than $50 start-up costs (these numbers must include the
entire mechanism; in the case of a gun, it would include the bullets).

My objection to crypto regulations have nothing to do with rights; it
has to do with enforcement.  If you have almost no hope of enforcing
significant percentages of the violations of a crime law without posting
policemen at every PC and workstation, it would seem that the law is
pointless.  If the behavior is truly undesirable, then other means are
required to minimize the negative consequences of that behavior.

If you or anyone else really really want to follow up on this line of
discussion, please E-Mail me directly, and I will be happy to Cc: anyone
else expressing interest; I suspect I will not want to waste net
bandwidth debating this because it is largely theoretical.

Ern

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Jean-Francois Avon [SMTP:jf_avon at citenet.net]
	Sent:	Thursday, June 25, 1998 11:59 AM
	To:	Ernest Hua
	Cc:	Cypherpunks
	Subject:	RE: CIA 4 Nags: Hackers Crypto Y2K Foreigners

	On Thu, 25 Jun 1998 09:35:40 -0700, Ernest Hua wrote:

	>I just don't understand how, in 1998, anyone could let Tenet
get away
	>with a claim about key recovery like this.  Didn't anyone ask
him how he
	>expected high-tech hackers (especially those possibly aided by
foreign
	>intelligence agencies) to use key recovery?


	Same thing (gross lies) happens in the "freedom to own and keep
arms" context...


	Ciao

	jfa


	Definition:  FACISM: n.:  a political and economic movement,
strongly nationalistic, magnifying the rights of the state as opposed to
those of the individual, in which industry, though remaining largely
under private ownership, and all administrative
	political units, are controlled by a strong central government.
	        -------------------------------------------------
	"One of the ordinary modes by which tyrants accomplish their
purpose, without resistance, is by disarming the people and making it an
offense to keep arms".  - Joseph Story, U.S. Supreme Court Justice.
	        -------------------------------------------------
	the German gun control laws were enacted by the "liberal" Weimar
Republic government that preceded Hitler, and were a strong aid to his
coming to power -- because they disarmed Hitler's opponents, and
Hitler's adherents ignored them -- as criminals have always ignored gun
control laws.

	Disarming the public is a frequent first step toward
dictatorships and genocides.  Once the disarming is complete, the public
is helpless against those who have the guns.
-------------------------------------------------

	PGP keys: http://bs.mit.edu:8001/pks-toplev.html
	PGP ID:C58ADD0D:529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891 
	PGP ID:5B51964D:152ACCBCD4A481B0 254011193237822C






From declan at well.com  Thu Jun 25 14:16:02 1998
From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:16:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: CIA 4 Nags: Hackers Crypto Y2K Foreigners
In-Reply-To: <413AC08141DBD011A58000A0C924A6D52C357D@MVS2>
Message-ID: 


Is your question rhetorical? Audience members can't ask questions at a
Senate hearing... And the point was probably too subtle for the
senators...

-Declan

On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, Ernest Hua wrote:

> I just don't understand how, in 1998, anyone could let Tenet get away
> with a claim about key recovery like this.  Didn't anyone ask him how he
> expected high-tech hackers (especially those possibly aided by foreign
> intelligence agencies) to use key recovery?






From jya at pipeline.com  Thu Jun 25 14:37:02 1998
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 14:37:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Skipjack HTM
Message-ID: <199806252136.RAA16853@dewdrop2.mindspring.com>


We've transcribed a hardcopy of the 23-page SKIPJACK
doc into HTML:

   http://jya.com/skipjack-spec.htm  

  (350K, 41K text, 309K JPEG images of equations and figures)

A Zipped version:

   http://jya.com/skipjack-spec.zip  (295K)

Reports of typos in the tables welcomed.








From lreed at west.cscwc.pima.edu  Thu Jun 25 15:27:10 1998
From: lreed at west.cscwc.pima.edu (Linda Reed--PCC West Campus CSC)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:27:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: BumBoy I - Space Aliens Hide My Drugs!!!
Message-ID: <009C83D6.67E0FB60.27@west.cscwc.pima.edu>


Entertainment for Victims             June 1998 * $7.09
_________________________

Trojan
Anniversary
Issue

BumBoy
Interview:
Wham! Bam!
C-J VAN DAMNNED
{AKA-Tutu, TruthMangler, ASlayerToBeNamedLater, ad infinitum}

VIAGRA AND
NIGHTSTICKS
The Untold Story

Mrs. Tom
Snyder
LATE NIGHT
BIG MOUTH

_____________________________________________________________

			DEAR BUMBO

GREAT BALLS OF FIRE!
   "Regarding the well-researched article claiming that the
length of President Clinton's dick and the circumference of
his two balls results in the number '666', I was wondering
if the dick-length was a surface measurement taking into 
account the famous 'bend', or if it was measured 'as the
crow flies.'
Paula Lewinski, Lincoln Bedroom Decorat(or/tion)

  {Next time, Monica, don't write your question on the back
   of your personalized stationery, and you won't have to
   eat crow, instead of flies. - BB}


		     THE BUMBO ADVISOR
K- JELL0
  "Does it violate a Canadian citizen's Charter Rights when
the RCMP put sand in the Vaseline?"
~ Sandy SandFart, A Radical Moderator

[Not if they are good kissers. - BB]


			 MOVIES

WAG THE STRAW DOG
The movie opens with great promise, as ClitOn's OpenFly-
Behind-Closed-Doors policy is exposed by BlackBalls
operatives of a former president referred to only as
'Dick' who break into Ken Starr's offices to plant X-Rays
suggesting that Monica Jones' pussy was bent *before*
her accusations of PresiBent ClitOn promising her a job
as a favor for her favours, when the credit card he
originally tried to pay her with turned out to have
expired long before his erection had done so.
The following scene, however, with PresiBent ClitOn dancing
in front of a Ferral Grand Jury, having a large penis rising
out of his shirt collar, and with a small 'head' sticking
out of his open fly, singing "If I Only Had A Brain," turned
out to be the highlight of a movie that was five years in the
making, at a cost to the US Government of eighty million
dollars.
BUMBO RATING - One Prick Up

__________________________________________________________

BumBoy Interview: C-J VAN DAMNNED
 A candied conversation with CyberSpace's most understood
 FUD Disseminator whose BadForgeries under the auspices of
 the Electronic Forgery Foundation have thus far failed to
 trick anyone but Adam Back and Alec McCrackin into being
 initiated by the Author into the mythical Circle of Eunuchs

{  It was a scene from a Film Blanc as AnInterviewerToBe-
  NamedLater was met at the door of the TrojanSafeHouse by
  a TruthMongrel wearing White Lipstick and no panties.
   It was immediately obvious that Blanc Weber's attempts
  to deflect the Author's obsession with her by forging
  love-letters to HimOrHer, purporting to be from Carol
  AnnaChrist CypherPunk, had not only failed miserably,
  but had also resulted in tremendous psychological trauma
  to Baby, who continually interrupted the BumBoy Interview
  by dropping a BadBillyG mask at the Author's feet, and
  backing towards him with her tail lifted.
   When asked about the vile-colored discharge coming from
  TruthMongrel's rear area, the Author merely mumbled an
  unintelligible statement about 'A tribute to Lucky Green'
  and forced a couple of antibotic pills down her throat
  with his penis.
   AnInterviewerToBeNamedLater, finding the door had locked
  behind her, quickly sat down and started her tape recorder
  before holding tightly onto the edges of her chair with
  both hands and attempting to smile as if nothing was wrong.}

BUMBO: I guess I should start by asking you for the True
Story (TM) behind the Legendary CypherPunks Moderation/
Censorship Experiment.
VAN DAMNNED: The True Story (TM), never before told, is that
the CypherPunks Censorship Crisis, which, incidentally, has
the same acronym (current CypherPunks Word of the Week) as
the Canadian Criminal Code, was, in reality, an attempt to
forcefully remove me from the CypherPunks Classic Mailing
List, after which the mailing list was scheduled to return
to normal, much along the lines of the NewCoke-ClassicCoke
ruse.

BUMBO: Declan McCullagh, a MainDream journalist with the
Netly News, and a media shill for Time Magazine, who was
the first false profit to announce 'The Death of the
CypherPunks', reported that the controversy began over the
forced unsuscbriving of Dr. Dimitri Vulis, KOTM as a result
of his relentless spamming of the CypherPunks Classic
Mailing List. Are you suggesting that Declan is a lying piece
of crap?
VAN DAMNED: ou don't understand...
There *is*no* Declan...there *is*no* Dimitri.

BUMBO: Well bend me over, and call me Mary...are you serious?
VAN DAMNNED: Fucking eh! Excuse me, but that's an old Canadian
TouretTic saying...
Believe me, I was as surprised as you are when I first began 
to suspect that the CypherPunks Classic Mailing List had at
its heart the classic scent of a dark, hidden conspiracy.
At first I thought it was part of the WorldWidePlot (TM) against
me by Gomez and the Dark Allies, but I later discovered it to 
be the work of a lone gunman, operating from behind the grass
grown on the knoll known as Mayonaisse Mountain.

BUMBO: Timothy C. May?
VAN DAMNNED: If that is his *real* name...

BUMBO: Are you sure you're not full of shit and just trying
to distract me while you try to peek up my skirt to see if
I'm wearing any panties?
VAN DAMNNED: Those are two separate issues...
Actually, my underlover investigation, with Baby on top,
eventually revealed that Tim May is a senile, grouchy old
fart whose redneck, racist cynicism resulted in him being
shunned by every decent, law-abiding, moral person on the
InterNet, and he single-handedly began the CypherPunks
Classic Mailing List by assuming the personas of a variety
of alleged founders of the list, including Gilmore, Hughes,
et al.
TCM's original plan was to create a mystique around the list
which would draw others into his sticky PreWorldWideWeb and
result in his being able to twist the minds of others with
his criminal, anarchistic beliefs. Over the years, however,
the lack of response by others on the InterNet forced him
to invent such a wide variety of CypherPunks Consistent
Net Personas (TM) that he eventually went mad, identifying
with each and every persona and subconsiously fearing the
intrusion of 'outsiders' into the CypherReality that he
had created.

BUMBO: And he managed to maintain the illusion all of 
these years?
VAN DAMNNED: es. As hard as it is to believe, little Timmy
Mayonnaise, a sorry, pathetic loser whose CyberLoneliness
drove him to madness, is solely responsible for the prodigious
output of the CypherPunks over the years. BlackNet, Remailers,
HashCash, StrangleHold and Comanche software...

BUMBO: Are you saying that Sameer, Ian Goldberg, Peter Trei,
Matt Blaze, Lance Cottrell, et al, don't exist?
VAN DAMNNED: Never have, never will.

BUMBO: And Sandy SandFart?
VAN DAMNNED: The best-kept-secret in CypherPunks CyberHistory
is that *I* am Sandy SandFart.

BUMBO: Get out of here...
VAN DAMNNED: OK, I'm leaving...

BUMBO: No, you fucking idiot...that's just an expression!
VAN DAMNNED: Oh...sorry...
Anyway, the whole CypherPunks Censorship Crisis (not to be
confused with the Canadian Criminal Code), began when I
innocently joined the CypherPunks Classic Mailing List,
believing it to be real. Tim May at first believed that
I was just another one of his invented personas, but he
inadvertantly stumbled upon documentation that I was
actually a separate individual, and thus a threat to the
CypherReality that he had so painstakingly created over
the years.
When I began to realize that my existence as an actual
person was creating problems on the list, due to my
post mathematically proving that I had broken PGP having
mysteriously failed to show up on the CypherPunks list,
I quickly changed my NetPersona to an imaginary being
known as Toto, but the mental infirmities that prevented
me from maintaining a Consistent CypherPunks Net Persona
made it a useless exercise in redundant uselessness.
Timothy C. May, under his John Gilmore persona, announced
the forceful unsribiving of another of his CypherPunks
personas, Dimitri Vulis, with the intention of having the
CypherPunks Classic Mailing List moderated/censored by
an entity introduced as Sandy SandFart.
  Recognizing TCM's clever ruse, I blindsided his devious
plan by assuming the role of Sandy SandFart on the list,
forcing little Timmy into a schizoid break during which
he withdrew from the CypherPunks list as Tim C. May,
while subconsiously maintaining his other personas.

BUMBO: This is getting too weird... Do you have any actual
*proof* of all this?
VAN DAMNNED: Think about it...
When did pouting little Timmy return to the list?
After 'Toto' posted a message to the list, with the
Subject: Cyphernomicon, Tim May was finally
driven beyond the boundaries of bizarre brainiatic
bedlam to the point where it broke the PGP-encrypted
brainwaves holding apart his separate CypherPunks 
Consistent Net Personas, and he reached a level where
he was 'Hun With Everything', including Attila.

BUMBO: Uuhhh...are you starting to 'lose it'?
VAN DAMNNED: Must be time to take my medication. Let's put
a right-square bracket in and continue this interview after
I suck up the pills I stashed up TruthMongrel's twat...]











From lreed at west.cscwc.pima.edu  Thu Jun 25 15:27:50 1998
From: lreed at west.cscwc.pima.edu (Linda Reed--PCC West Campus CSC)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 15:27:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: BumBoy II - Space Aliens Hide My Drugs!!!
Message-ID: <009C83D6.824D3400.29@west.cscwc.pima.edu>


{ AnInterviewerToBeNamedLater, though sickened by the totally
  disgusting display of oral sodomy committed by the Author
  on the SingleInnocentChildDog, Baby, NunTheLess held her
  tight grip on the edges of her chair, keeping her knees
  together to thwart the depraved bastard from discovering
  whether or not she was wearing panties, and fulfilled her
  obligation to BUMBO to provide a completed interview in
  return for the drugs she had received as an advance}

BUMBO: How did you finally confirm your suspicions as to
Tim C. May being the only real subscriber to the CypherPunks
Classic Mailing List?
VAN DAMNNED: I reverse-engineered the Perl Beer script that
Ignoramous ChewedOff, that dickless prick, sent to the list,
explaining that it could be used to create forged posts from
allegedly real Net Personas.
Actually, I was trying to use the program to forge messages
to the list, but I was stinking fucking drunk, and the next
thing you know, EveryThing became EverClear.

BUMBO: ou have...uuhhh...*something* sticking to your 
upper lip...
VAN DAMNNED: Trade you a green one for a yellow one...

BUMBO: Quit trying to peek up my goddamn skirt!
VAN DAMNNED: Sorry, I can't help myself...
Anyway, although the results of the reverse-engineering of
Tim May's CommieSchill CypherPunks Consistent Net Persona,
Ignoramous, proved my previously perceived preponderance
of proof to be proven, it also revealed the presence of
a second gunman lurking in the gunsmoke from the seedless
grass behind the knoll on Mayonnaise mountain, even though
at first it didn't make any SenseToMeA.

BUMBO: JohnBob Hettinga-oung?
VAN DAMNNED: Exactly.
I had long suspected that Hettinga and oung were the same
person, due to their Consistent CypherPunks Net Personas
undergoing parallel degeneration into semi-coherent mad
ramblings similar to those experienced by TruthMonger when
I ran short of medications.
At first, I suspected they were two separate individuals
with the same drug connection, but when I made the final
connection between Hettinga-oung and Kent Crispin, it
became obvious that the 'Spooks' alleged to be operating
in the background of the CypherPunks Classic Mailing List
were actually only a single 'Spook', who, upon subversively
joining the CypherPunks list as an undocumentable persona
capable of sneaking in under Tim May's ever watchful, paranoid
eyes, fell prey to TCM's madness, developing a wide variety
of Consistent CypherPunks Net Spook Personas.

BUMBO: What gave rise to the CypherPunks Disturbed Male
List?
VAN DAMNNED: Previous to the Legendary CypherPunks Moderation/
Censorship Experiment/Crisis, little Timmy Mayonnaise's 
inability to reconcile his masculine and feminine sides resulted
in his few Female CypherPunks Consistent Net Personas being
incapable of balancing the strong male presence represented by
the majority of the CypherPunks personas he had created.
In order to prevent his extreme homophobia from destroying the
balance of the CypherTao, he was forced to personify it as
Dr. Dimitri Vulis, KOTM, publically accusing all of TCM's
other CypherPunks personas of being 'cocksuckers'. This enabled
the other personas, chiefly John Gilmore, to manifest the parts
of TCM's disturbed psyche that were warring against his feminine
side, threatening to prevent his continued residency in NewAge
California under the watchful eyes of Gloria Steinham clones.
Once little Timmy had reconciled his masculine side with his
feminine side, by listening to C.J. Parker's 'Song For Rose (I'll
Give ou My Heart But My Dick Belongs To Momma)', he felt more
comfortable wearing his Freudian Slip, and his CypherPunks
personas began to break up into sub-groups with lives of their
own.
His Jim Choate persona runs the Austin CypherPunks Node, with
the Einstein/Genius sub-personality peacefully coexisting with
the Feminine/Hysteria sub-personality that flipped out when Toto
violated Choate's identity by forging a post to the list in 
the WEBeastMaster's name.
His Commie Schill persona, Igor, runs the Algebra/Semantics
CypherPunks Node, with Igor's understanding of the similarities
between the strict logic of mathematics and the flowing music
of semantics making up for Tim's inability to understand the
connection between Comrade Lenin and John Lennon, or why the
sound of a Volkswagon engine was so hard to dance to.
Lance Cottrel's InfoNextStep CypherPunks Node secretly funded
by Steven BlowJobs, acts as a release valve for TCM's remaining
homophobic repressions, allowing him to justify his anal-
penetration fantasies by imagining that he is being victimized
by manly Nazis while trapped under the snowmobile that flipped
over while racing across the tundra, while still punishing
himself by the pain that results at night, when the ice-weasels
cum.
Joichi Ito (a play-on-words referring to Pearl Harbor
Computer's motto, "We Don't Eat [Ito] [Sushi] Dogs") as
the TCM sub-personality running the CypherNip Node, allows
TCM to indulge the S&M Bondage fantasies which are a 
prerequisite for buying land in NewAge California, while
telling himself that he's not *really* a fucking weirdo,
because he is only binding his feet.

BUMBO: And TCM's blatant redneck racism?
VAN DAMNNED: The Japanese CypherPunks Disturbed Male Node was
one of TCM's subconsious creations, designed to balance his
round-eyed, redneck imperialist side with the suppressed
slant-eyed gook in his California NewAge CosmicMakeUp.
Serious students of secular semantics soon saw that the
'Chop-chop' insults hurled by Tim May at his suppressed
errowMenace CyphelPunks Consistent Net Pelsonas were 
actually a pidgen-English variation on a red-white-and-blue/
stars-and-stripes Harley Davidson phrase, 'Chopper-Chopper'.

BUMBO: Uuhhh...it's getting a little deep. Is it medication
time again?
VAN DAMNNED: Think about it...
David Formosa, AKA ? the Platypus. It was an early sign of
the Chinc within struggling to get out, yet having to adopt
an Australian alias because TCM was not yet ready to face
butchering the English language without the excuse of being
drunk, or a victim of an imaginary disease named agraphia,
which was developed in a secret underground lavoratory by
Kent Crispin, who was desperately trying to keep Tim May
from consciously transposing his 'r's and 'l's, and realizing
that Pearl Harbor Computer's motto, "We don't eat dogs." was
not a reference to the disgusting dietary habits of Orientals,
but a veiled reference to the Reptilian Nazis who sated their
unnatural, carnal cuisenary desires by disguising themselves
as alligators crawling out of the Florida swamps to savagely
savour the sumptuous PuppyFlesh of TruthMongrel's distant
cousins, the FrenchConnection Poodles, whose heroin habits
were a survival mechanism designed to make them comfortably
numb as the Reptilian Nazis dined on their gonads, long
considered a delicacy by Space Aliens across the Universe,
turning them into Circle Of Eunuchs DoggieInitiates just
like Baby TruthMongrel, who was a Bitch trapped in a
Stud's body before being interrogated as a suspected member
of the Magic Circle by Gomez's Soviet dwarf, Hobbit uri
Kokoff? the Platypus, who was the inspiration for Tim May's
David 'The Australian Chinc' Formosa Consistent CypherPunks
Net Persona, completing the Magic Circle that began as a
defensive mechanism to thwart the Dark Forces that arise
every time that a Unix system is booted, releasing Daemons,
Zombies, Orphan Zombies, and the Dreaded Cron, enabling
students to face these imaginary creations of their drug-
addled minds with the comforting support of an equally
nonexistent creation by a mentally disturbed FrostBack
who bought into the drug-induced, Berzerkely Dungeons
and Dragons fantasies resulting from secret digital implants
into the brains of Bell Labs employees by Bill Gates in order
to promote his less versatile DOS Operating System as a safe
alternative to a Unix Operating System proliferating in the 
Bay Area, dangerously within reach of the Dark Forces in 
Oakland who were a threat to property values, in sharp contrast
to the safety of Redmond, Washington, where BadBillyG's secret
lover, Blanc Weber, kept the Dark Forces within the Author's
mind at bay, by resisting HisOrHer efforts to psychically 
peek up her skirt, to see if she was wearing panties.

BUMBO: If you're not going to take any medication, then
I *am*...
Baby! Come here...]





From vznuri at netcom.com  Thu Jun 25 21:05:26 1998
From: vznuri at netcom.com (Vladimir Z. Nuri)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 21:05:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: "deadbeat parents"
Message-ID: <199806260405.VAA23457@netcom3.netcom.com>


apparently one of the 4 horsemen of the infocalypse...?!?!
whatever can be used as an excuse to take away rights, eh?


------- Forwarded Message

Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 15:18:11 -0500
To: believer at telepath.com
From: believer at telepath.com
Subject: IP: Clinton Signs New Deadbeat Parents Penalties into Law 

Source:  USIA

Clinton Signs New Deadbeat Parents Penalties into Law 
U.S. Newswire
24 Jun 9:06

 President Clinton Signs New Deadbeat Parents Penalties into Law
 To: National Desk
 Contact: White House Press Office, 202-456-2100

   WASHINGTON, June 24 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The following was released
today by the White House:

  Today, President Clinton will announce new statistics highlighting
the success of Administration child support enforcement efforts and
will sign into law tough new penalties for parents who repeatedly
refuse to pay child support.  At an Oval Office ceremony, the
President will announce that a new child support collection system
launched nine months ago has already located one million deliquent
parents, and the child support enforcement program established a
record 1.3 million paternities in 1997.  Overall, 68 percent more
child support was collected in 1997 than in 1992.  The bill he will
sign into law, the Deadbeat Parents Punishment Act of 1998, is based
on his 1996 proposal for tougher penalties for parents who repeatedly
fail to support children living in another state or who flee across
state lines to avoid supporting them.  Finally, the President will
reiterate his position that bankruptcy reform legislation should not
make it harder to collect child support and alimony.

  New Hire Directory Finds One Million Deliquent Parents.  Today, the
President will announce that the new National Directory of New Hires
had located one million deliquent parents since its October 1, 1997
launch.  The directory, proposed by the President in 1994, and
enacted as part of the 1996 welfare reform law, helps track parents
across state lines and withhold their wages by enabling child support
officials to match records of delinquent parents with wage records
from throughout the nation.  Approximately one-third of all child
support cases involve parents living in different states.  (See
attached chart)

  A Record Number of Paternity Establishments.  The President will
also announce that the child support enforcement program established
a record 1.3 million paternities in 1997, two and a half times the
1992 figure of 510,000.  Much of this success is due to the
in-hospital voluntary paternity establishment program begun by the
Clinton Administration in 1994, which encourages fathers to
acknowledge paternity at the time of the child's birth.

  A Record Increase in Child Support Collections.  In 1997, the state
and federal child support enforcement program collected a record $13.
4 billion for children, an increase of 68% from 1992, when $8 billion
was collected.  Not only are collections up, but the number of
families that are actually receiving child support has also
increased.  In 1997, the number of child support cases with
collections rose to 4.2 million, an increase of 48% from 2.8 million
in 1992.

  New Felony Penalties for Egregious Failure to Pay Child Support.
The President called for these tough new penalties in July 1996 and
again in his 1997 State of the Union address.  This new law creates
two new categories of felonies, with penalties of up to two years in
prison, for more egregious child support evaders:

   Traveling across state or country lines with the intent to evade
child support payments will now be considered a felony if the
obligation has remained unpaid for a period longer than one year or
is greater than $5,000.

   When the obligation has remained unpaid for a period of longer
than two years or is greater than $10,000, willful failure to pay
child support to a child residing in another state will be considered
a felony.

  This bill was sponsored in Congress by Representatives Hyde and
Hoyer and Senators DeWine and Kohl, and had overwhelming bipartisan
support in both houses.

  Responsible Bankruptcy Reform that Doesn't Hurt Children.  Finally,
the President will reiterate his position that bankruptcy reform
legislation should not make it harder to collect child support and
alimony.  The Administration will work with Congress to produce a
bankruptcy reform bill that asks responsibility of both creditors and
debtors, while stemming abuse.  In those discussions, the President
will continue to make protecting child support and alimony a top
priority.  The House and Senate bills still raise the concern that
additional debts will survive bankruptcy and compete with child
support and alimony payments for scarce funds.

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 06/24 09:06

Copyright 1998, U.S. Newswire
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From jf_avon at citenet.net  Thu Jun 25 22:35:50 1998
From: jf_avon at citenet.net (Jean-Francois Avon)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 22:35:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: CIA 4 Nags: Hackers Crypto Y2K Foreigners
Message-ID: <199806260547.BAA05417@cti06.citenet.net>



On Thu, 25 Jun 1998 12:18:44 -0700, Ernest Hua wrote:

>Now, if, next week, someone demonstrates a gun or some other physical
>offensive weapon easily manufacturable using off the shelf parts at $10
>a pop with less than $50 start-up costs (these numbers must include the
>entire mechanism; in the case of a gun, it would include the bullets).


Operational homemade firearms are often found to have been built by convicts in high security prisons...

Check with the NRA or with the NFA (Canada)
 e-mail: nfadat at telusplanet.net   Web site: http://nfa.ca/

Ask David Tomlinson for info on the topic, he'll tell you...

Ciao

jfa







Definition:  FACISM: n.:  a political and economic movement, strongly nationalistic, magnifying the rights of the state as opposed to those of the individual, in which industry, though remaining largely under private ownership, and all administrative
political units, are controlled by a strong central government.
        -------------------------------------------------
"One of the ordinary modes by which tyrants accomplish their purpose, without resistance, is by disarming the people and making it an offense to keep arms".  - Joseph Story, U.S. Supreme Court Justice.
        -------------------------------------------------
the German gun control laws were enacted by the "liberal" Weimar Republic government that preceded Hitler, and were a strong aid to his coming to power -- because they disarmed Hitler's opponents, and Hitler's adherents ignored them -- as criminals have always ignored gun control laws.

Disarming the public is a frequent first step toward dictatorships and genocides.  Once the disarming is complete, the public is helpless against those who have the guns.        -------------------------------------------------

PGP keys: http://bs.mit.edu:8001/pks-toplev.html
PGP ID:C58ADD0D:529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891 
PGP ID:5B51964D:152ACCBCD4A481B0 254011193237822C




From mitch at duzen.com.tr  Thu Jun 25 23:24:55 1998
From: mitch at duzen.com.tr (S. M. Halloran)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 23:24:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: "deadbeat parents"
In-Reply-To: <199806260405.VAA23457@netcom3.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <199806260522.IAA08459@ankara.192.168.3.5>


On 25 Jun 98, Vladimir Z. Nuri was found to have commented thusly:

> apparently one of the 4 horsemen of the infocalypse...?!?!
> whatever can be used as an excuse to take away rights, eh?
> 
> 
[news clip  regarding new Deadbeat Parents federal law excised]

I have a strong feeling that this new law is going to turn around and bite 
the Great Society II (GSII) advocates in their federal ass.  Considering 
some of the minimum limits regarding child support sums in arrears, it 
really won't take any time for prominent members, subscribers, and 
believers in GSII, including Friends of Bill and Friends of Hillary, to 
find themselves on the other side of a federal arrest warrant.  The $5000 
limit could be reached in a matter of a few months, it seems, for quite a 
few of even the "middle-class" child support payers.  (Anyone reading this 
who pays child support willing to divulge how many months it would take 
for them to reach that limit?)  I don't believe that deadbeat parents 
should evade their responsibility, but this law pretty much is the wrong 
way to deal with it.

Prosecutors of any stripe are not going to bother with making a judgment 
regarding 'intent', which they probably don't consider their duty anyway. 
They will have a formulae all worked out in concert with the presiding 
judge--whose duty should be the 'justice' end of any bum rap, deciding the 
issue of 'intent'--to nail anyone who violates the letter (and disregard 
the question of the violation of the spirit) of the law.  The poor will 
necessarily cop a plea and probably do some federal time AND/or find 
themselves assessed federal fines that will essentially make them 
indentured servants to the state for years.  The rich will work a deal to 
stay out of prison since the feds don't want to waste time with the 
delaying tactics of their savvy lawyers.

Perhaps at some point, after thousands of well-meaning but misfortunate 
parents find themselves considered felons in their society because they 
got behind in the support although there was no clear intent to do so, the 
law or certain elements of it will be sensibly repealed or reformed to 
target those whose intent to evade is really indisputable.  There are 
probably as well "minor" provisions and clauses in the law not reported in 
the news clip, but which certainly make life impossible for the well-
meaning to obtain complete rehabilitation;  those parts of the code would 
need attention as well.


Mitch Halloran
Research (Bio)chemist
Duzen Laboratories Group
Ankara   TURKEY
mitch at duzen.com.tr

"Tonight, again, the strong and arrogant opponent
           felt the bitter taste of defeat at your hands"
---Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, addressing the jubilant Iranian soccer team
        whose very unexpected victory over the US eliminated them
        from the France 1998 World Cup





From frantz at netcom.com  Thu Jun 25 23:32:36 1998
From: frantz at netcom.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 23:32:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Skipjack extensibility
In-Reply-To: <199806250705.JAA31711@basement.replay.com>
Message-ID: 


At 11:05 PM -0800 6/24/98, Anonymous wrote:
>NSA made a claim that Skipjack couldn't be extended past 80 bits of key. Most
>plausible explanation to my mind is that they're lying. Second is that
>there is
>an attack against a class of Skipjack-like ciphers that requires only a few
>plaintexts and 2^80 operations. Third is that some common key-lengthening
>tricks like those for 2-key-3DES, DES-X, and DEAL fail when applied to
>Skipjack. I can hardly fathom one resistant to all three, but I guess it's
>possible with NSA.

3DES is useful because DES does not form a group.  To the best of my
knowledge, Skipjack has not been analysed in this area (outside of Never
Say Anything).


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From nobody at remailer.ch  Fri Jun 26 01:56:34 1998
From: nobody at remailer.ch (Anonymous)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 01:56:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: ACLU Action Update 06-25-98 -- Victory!  (fwd)
Message-ID: <19980626091418.18178.qmail@hades.rpini.com>


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TO:	 Action Network
FR:	 Penny Crawley, Cyber Organizer (pcrawley at aclu.org)
DT:	 June 25, 1998

1. Victims' Rights Amendment
2. Child Custody Protection:/"Teen Endagerment" Act
3. New E-mail address

1.  We did it! With both the House and Senate now adjourned for the Fourth of
July recess,  "Amend the Constitution Month" in Congress has come to an end a
victory: the Constitution remains intact!

The Senate Judiciary met briefly this morning to consider the so-called
Victims' Rights Amendment (SJ Res. 44), the last of the three amendments
targeted by the Republican leadership for passage during June.  Although there
was a brief debate on this measure, the Committee adjourned for the recess
without taking action.  It is anticipated that it will take up the proposed
amendment shortly after Senators return to Washington on July 6.

A new website can be found on the Internet containing editorials and other
resources (testimony, position statements and letters to Congress) on why a
constitutional amendment is the wrong way to assist victims of crime.  The
site is located at:

http://soiroom.hyperchat.com/celestin/vrainfo.html

ACTION NEEDED:

A. Urge your U.S. Senators to honor the founding of our nation this Fourth of
July by preserving the original Bill of Rights and voting against the victims'
rights amendment by sending a FREE FAX from the ACLU website at:

http://www.aclu.org/action/victim.html

B. Because no advocacy tactic is more effective than personal interaction,
push home the point about preserving the Bill of Rights during any public
appearance your Senators make during the Fourth of July recess. 

2.  Child Custody Protection/"Teen Endangerment" Bill

Like the Victims' Rights amendment, action on the anti-choice Child Custody
Protection Act (S 1645/HR 3682), which was also on today's agenda in the
Senate Judiciary Committee, was postponed when the Committee adjourned for
recess.  It, too, is expected to be taken up when Senators return to the
Capitol.

ACTION NEEDED:

Urge your Senators to oppose this misguided bill, which would intrude into
Americans' private relationships, isolate young women by discouraging them
from seeking the caring support of a trusted adult, and endanger their lives
by forcing them to travel alone to an abortion provider and back home after
the surgery.  Send a FREE FAX from the ACLU website at:

http://www.aclu.org/action/custody.html

3. My e-mail address has changed!  All future e-mail should be sent to:

pcrawley at aclu.org 

Please update any listings in your address book to reflect the change.  (My
AOL address will remain active until July 31, 1998.)

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From privsoft at ix.netcom.com  Fri Jun 26 07:27:48 1998
From: privsoft at ix.netcom.com (Steve Orrin)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 07:27:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: RSA and Others work on SSL Fix
Message-ID: <199806261426.JAA08740@dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com>


FYI



RSA DATA SECURITY WORKS WITH INTERNET SOFTWARE VENDORS TO RESPON
6/26/98 7:19

 to Potential
                 Security Attack on Secure Web Communications

    SAN MATEO, Calif., June 26 /PRNewswire/ -- RSA Data Security, Inc.
today
announced it is working with a group of leading Internet software vendors
on
pre-emptive countermeasures to thwart a newly-discovered potential attack
against secure Web communications.  This vulnerability is currently the
subject of research and has not been reported by any users.
    These countermeasures enhance the security of popular Internet server
software products based on the Secure Sockets Layer (SSL) protocol.  The
countermeasures are, or will be, available from respective vendors' Web
sites,
and include configuration guidelines, software updates where applicable and
additional information.  Currently available vendor information may be
found
at the following sites:

    * C2Net Software, Inc.
    http://www.c2.net
    * Consensus Development Corporation
    http://www.consensus.com/ssl-rsa.html
    * IBM Corporation
    http://www.ibm.com/security
    * Lotus Development Corporation
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    * Microsoft Corporation
    http://www.microsoft.com/security
    * Netscape Communications Corporation
    http://help.netscape.com/products/server/ssldiscovery/index.html
    * Open Market, Inc.
    http://www.openmarket.com/security
    * RSA Data Security, Inc.
    http://www.rsa.com/rsalabs/

    RSA will also maintain an updated list of all vendors' countermeasure
site
links at its site. In addition, RSA has been working closely with the CERT
Coordination Center on this problem. CERT has made a technical advisory on
this vulnerability available at http://www.cert.org.
    These countermeasures address a potential vulnerability discovered by
cryptographer Daniel Bleichenbacher of the Secure Systems Research
Department
of Bell Labs, the research and development arm of Lucent Technologies.
Bleichenbacher identified a cryptanalytic vulnerability that could
potentially
be used to discover the key for a particular encrypted session through a
process of repeatedly sending on the order of one million carefully
constructed messages to a target server and observing the server's
response.
Due to the large number of messages needed, the potential attack is
detectable
by network administrators.  Additional information is available on the Bell
Labs Web site at http://www.bell-labs.com.
    The vulnerability affects interactive key establishment protocols that
use
the Public Key Cryptography Standard (PKCS) #1, including SSL.  The PKCS
series of standards are defined by RSA Laboratories, reviewed by industry
and
have been adopted by many major vendors of information systems and
incorporated in national and international standards.  The vulnerability
does
not apply to PKCS #1-based secure messaging protocols, such as Secure
Electronic Transactions (SET) and Secure Multipurpose Internet Mail
Extension
(S/MIME) because they are not susceptible to, or already implement
mechanisms
preventing this potential vulnerability.
    A technical overview of the attack and recommended countermeasures for
installed SSL-based server software are available now on the RSA Labs Web
site
at http://www.rsa.com/rsalabs/.
    Software developers interested in testing their products for this
potential vulnerability should visit RSA's site at http://www.rsa.com where
they can find diagnostic instructions and prescriptive information for
updating their applications.   In  July, RSA plans to provide developers
using
the company's BSAFE security suite with free software enhancements designed
to
eliminate this threat.
    RSA Laboratories plans to release for comment a draft PKCS #1 v2 in
July
following a revision process that began early in the year.

    RSA Data Security, Inc.
    RSA Data Security, Inc., a wholly owned subsidiary of Security Dynamics
Technologies, Inc. (Nasdaq: SDTI), is a leading supplier of software
components that secure electronic data, with more than 300 million copies
of
RSA encryption and authentication technologies installed worldwide.  RSA
technologies are part of existing and proposed standards for the Internet
and
World Wide Web, ISO, ITU-T, ANSI, IEEE, and business, financial and
electronic
commerce networks around the globe.  RSA develops and markets platform-
independent security components and related developer kits and provides
comprehensive cryptographic consulting services.  RSA can be reached at
http://www.rsa.com.

    All products and companies mentioned herein may be trademarks or
registered trademarks of their respective holdings and are hereby
recognized.

SOURCE  RSA Data Security, Inc.
    -0-                             06/26/98
    /CONTACT:  Patrick Corman, Corman Communications, 650-326-9648,
patrick at cormancom.com/
    /Web site:  http://www.rsa.com/
    (SDTI)

CO:  RSA Data Security, Inc.
ST:  California
IN:  CPR
SU:



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From billp at nmol.com  Fri Jun 26 12:37:06 1998
From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 12:37:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: ?
Message-ID: <3593F79B.797B@nmol.com>

Friday 6/26/98 1:23 PM

John Young

I wonder what the effect of all of the like

  http://www.jya.com/rsa-pkcs1.htm

and other materials you have posted at http://www.jya.com/crypto.htm
are going to be on those controlling the money?  

Some key congressmen and their advisors.

Crypto, in my mind, represents pseudomathematics at its finest.

Also, the guy that is going to break-in will do it before encryption or 
after decryption. 

http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ricono.htm

Or, of course, TRANSMIT THE KEY WITH THE CYPHERTEXT!

My mind is getting back to finishing the digital FX - and revising
my book!

Morales and I do not know what to make of Mitchell's JUN 22 motion.

But, with us now complaining to the Senate Judiciary Committee, WITH
HARD DOCKET EVIDENCE of wrongdoing life for lawyers is now more
complicated.

I will respond to the JUN 22 motion about next Wednesday.

Won't be hard.  This is an INSIDE JOB.  I KNOW where the documents
are since I know the AUTHORS.  No search is required.

This should be settled before it gets WORSE.

Later
bill

http://www.apcatalog.com/cgi-bin/AP?ISBN=0125475705&LOCATION=US&FORM=FORM2

http://www-hto.usc.edu/software/seqaln/doc/html/gfsr.3.html


Subject: 
        Judicial Misconduct at Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals
  Date: 
        Mon, 22 Jun 1998 13:29:01 -0600
  From: 
        bill payne 
    To: 
        art morales , senator_hatch at Hatch.senate.gov, senator at thurmond.senate.gov,
        chuck_grassley at grassley.senate.gov, senator_specter at specter.senate.gov, 
senator_thompson at thompson.senate.gov,
        info at kyl.senate.gov, senator_dewine at dewine.senate.gov, john_ashcroft at ashcroft.senate.gov, 
michigan at abraham.senate.gov,
        senator_leahy at leahy.senate.gov, senator at kennedy.senate.gov, senator at biden.senate.gov, 
senator_kohl at kohl.senate.gov,
        senator at feinstein.senate.gov, russell_feingold at feingold.senate.gov, dick at durbin.senate.gov, 
senator at torricelli.senate.gov
    CC: 
        steve dillingham <" Steven.Dillingham"@hq.doe.gov>, Robert Nordhaus <" 
Robert.Nordhaus"@hq.doe.gov>, mrgall at ix.netcom.com,
        jy at jya.com, art morales , federico pena <" Federico.F.Pena"@hq.doe.gov>, 
RJPARK at sandia.gov,
        cypherpunks at toad.com, ukcrypto at maillist.ox.ac.uk


Monday 6/22/98 1:02 PM

Senate Judiciary Committee
http://www.senate.gov/committee/judiciary.html

Republicans

Orrin G. Hatch, Utah, Chairman   senator_hatch at Hatch.senate.gov
Strom Thurmond, South Carolina   senator at thurmond.senate.gov
Charles E. Grassley, Iowa   chuck_grassley at grassley.senate.gov
Arlen Specter, Pennsylvania   senator_specter at specter.senate.gov
Fred Thompson, Tennessee   senator_thompson at thompson.senate.gov
Jon Kyl, Arizona   info at kyl.senate.gov
Mike DeWine, Ohio   senator_dewine at dewine.senate.gov
John Ashcroft, Missouri   john_ashcroft at ashcroft.senate.gov
Spencer Abraham, Michigan   michigan at abraham.senate.gov
Jeff Sessions, Alabama

Democrats

Patrick J. Leahy, Vermont   senator_leahy at leahy.senate.gov
Edward M. Kennedy, Massachusetts   senator at kennedy.senate.gov
Joseph R.Biden, Jr., Delaware   senator at biden.senate.gov
Herb Kohl, Wisconsin   senator_kohl at kohl.senate.gov
Dianne Feinstein, California   senator at feinstein.senate.gov
Russell D. Feingold, Wisconsin   russell_feingold at feingold.senate.gov
Richard Durbin, Illinois   dick at durbin.senate.gov
Robert Torricelli, New Jersey   senator at torricelli.senate.gov

Purpose of this e-mail is to give written proof of criminal judicial
misconduct by Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals clerks Hoecker, Fisher, and
Judges Moore, Barrett, Weis and help get this matter settled.

Thursday March 30, 1995 I wrote Tenth Circuit clerk Hoecker to request a
copy of the docket sheets for case 94-2205  Payne v. Sandia Corporation,
et al

Hoecker did not answer my letter.

On Tuesday March 5,1996 I  wrote  Judge Lucius D. Bunton to ask his help
to get a copy of the docket sheets.  No response.

On Monday September 23, 1996 Arthur R Morales and I wrote  Henry A.
Politz, Chief Judge U.S. Court of Appeals - Fifth Circuit to ask his
help to get a copy of the docket sheets of my case and Morales� Tenth
Circuit case 95-2204.

Tenth Circuit also refused to send Morales copies of docket sheets for
his case.

Politz is Bunton's boss.  No response.

Friday May 30, 1997 I wrote Antonin Scalia to get this help to get a
copy of the docket sheets.  No response.

5 May 1998 citizen John Young finds docket sheets on

    Source: PACER, U.S. Court of Appeals, 10th Circuit, 1-800-279-9107

and posts them on Internet at http://jya.com/whp-10usca.htm

  Docket as of April 10, 1998 0:05 am
  Proceedings include all events.
  94-2205  Payne v. Sandia Corporation, et al

shows that I filed my Brief of the Appellant on 2/19/95.

2/23/95     [835344] Appellant's brief filed by William H. Payne.
            Original and 7 copies.   c/s: y. Served on 2/19/95  Oral
            argument? pro se. Appellee/Respondent's brief due 3/24/95
            for Thomas P. Wright, for Robert Surran, for Paul A.
            Stokes, for Mary J. Stang, for Tommy A. Sellers, for Craig
            A. Searls, for Albert Narath, for Preston B. Herrington,
            for Peter S. Hamilton, for Roger L. Hagengruber, for James
            R. Gosler, for Harold L. Folley, for Robert L. Ewing, for
            C. William Childers, for Harvey J. Brewster, for Sandia
            Corporation (mbm)

mbm writes "Appellee/Respondent's brief due 3/24/95"

Sandia had sent me a copy of its brief by 3/28/96.

I filed  attached MOTION TO GRANT PLAINTIFF-APPELLANT'S DEMANDS ON BASIS
THAT DEFENDANT-APPELLEES FAILED TO FILE BRIEF WITHIN 30 DAYS SPECIFIED
BY FEDERAL RULE OF APPELLATE PROCEDURE 31 on Tuesday the 28th day of
March, 1995

My February 28 MOTION at the Tenth Circuit is filed WITHOUT notice of
service logged.

4/4/95       [845484] Appellant's motion filed by Appellant William H.
             Payne [94-2205] to grant appellant's demands on basis that
             appellees' failed to file timely brief. Original and 3
             copies  c/s: y (mbm)

In 1995 FRAP 25 (a) stated  "[b]riefs shall be deemed filed on the day
of mailing if the 
most expeditious form of delivery by mail, excepting special delivery,
is used."

FRAP 25 has been changed by 1998 to
http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/docs/frap-iop.htm#25a

Since I mailed Appellant's motion filed by Appellant William H.  Payne
[94-2205] to grant appellant's demands on basis that appellees' failed
to file timely brief on 3/28/98, it is likely Sandia's lawyer Friedman
received it 3/29/95.

Tenth Circuit logs

3/30/95      [844759] Appellee's brief filed by Sandia Corporation,
             Harvey J. Brewster, C. William Childers, Robert L. Ewing,
             Harold L. Folley, James R. Gosler, Roger L. Hagengruber,
             Peter S. Hamilton, Preston B. Herrington, Albert Narath,
             Craig A. Searls, Tommy A. Sellers, Mary J. Stang, Paul A.
             Stokes, Robert Surran, Thomas P. Wright. Original and 7
             copies. c/s: y. Served on 3/27/95  Oral Argument? y
             (appellant is pro se) Appellant's optional reply brief due
             4/13/95 for William H. Payne (mbm)

Federal Rule of Appellate Procedure [FRAP] 26 (c) states

  (c) Additional Time after Service. When a party is required or
permitted to act within a      prescribed period after service of a
paper upon that party, 3 calendar days are added to the     prescribed
period unless the paper is delivered on the date of service stated in
the proof of   service. 

  http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/docs/frap-iop.htm#26c

While the Tenth Circuit ASSERTS Appellees� brief was, in fact, served on
3/27/95
evidence given below points to the brief  was served, in fact, on
3/29/95.  

I allege that Friedman affixed a false date of service to Sandia's
brief.

I WAS NEVER PROPERLY SERVED.  I wrote

          Wednesday March 29, 1995

          Dan Friedman
          Simons, Cuddy & Friedman
          Pecos Trail Office Compound
          1701 Old Pecos Trail
          POB 4160
          Santa Fe, NM 87502-4160
          505-988-4476
          505-984-1807 FAX

          Dear Lawyer Friedman:

          Today at 14:00 hours I found a green and white about 9x13
          inch envelope in our mail box at my home.

          Mailing label indicated that the envelope came from your
          firm.  CONFIDENTIAL was stamped on the mailing label.

          I  wrote "Received at 14:00 hours on W 3/29/95 with no
          POSTMARK OR STAMP by W. H. Payne" at the bottom of the
          envelope.

          There was no STAMP OR POSTAGE METER LABEL or 
          POSTMARK on the envelope.

          Therefore, I gave the envelope to US Postal Service
          supervisor Mel at 14:49 hours today at the Postal Receiving
          station at 9904 Montgomery, NW in Albuquerque.  Mel has a
          copy of the cover of the envelope with Mel's note written on
          it.

          Mel told me the post office was going to return the envelope
          to your firm for proper mailing.

          I ask:

         1    What did this envelope contain?  Please identify
              the documents precisely.

         2    If any Certificates of Service were included in the
              envelope, then what were the dates affixed to these
              documents?

         3    Who placed this envelope in our mail box?

         Lawyer Friedman:  It appears you missed an important filing
         date.  And are in the process of attempt to correct your
         failure.  But may be using illegitimate methods to conceal
         your failure.

         Please respond as soon as possible so that we all may
         discover what has happened here." ...

Lawyer Friedman did not respond to the above letter.

But Friedman did mail me Appellees� brief many days later in envelope
showing TRUE MAILING date.  Certificate of service on received
Appellees� brief
did not reflect postmark date.

10th Cir. R. 25.4 in 1995 page 62 reads
  
  Papers not accepted for filing. -- The clerk shall not file papers
that do not comply
  with the Federal Rules of Appellate Procedure and these rules See
10thCir. R. 42.1

But Tenth Circuit clerks Fisher and Hoecker despite my protests and
submission of
evidence may have stamped FILED on Sandia's IMPROPERLY SERVED 
Appellee/Respondent's brief according to the Federal Rules of Appellate
Procedure.

Laywer Friedman FALSIFIED THE CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE.   

Friedman DID NOT MAIL ME "Served on 3/27/95."

d) Proof of Service; Filing. A paper presented for filing shall contain
an acknowledgment of service by the   person served or proof of service
in the form of a statement of the date and manner of service, of the
name of the person served, and of the addresses to which the papers were
mailed or at which they were delivered, certified by the person who made
service. Proof of service may appear on or be affixed to the papers
filed. When a brief or appendix is filed by mailing or dispatch in
accordance with Rule 25(a)(2)(B), the proof of service shall also state
the date and manner by which the document was mailed or dispatched to
the clerk.

  http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/docs/frap-iop.htm#25a
  
Crime apparently committed by Hoecker and Fisher is

� 1017. Government seals wrongfully used and instruments wrongfully
sealed 

Whoever fraudulently or wrongfully affixes or impresses the seal of any
department or agency of the United States, to or upon any certificate,
instrument, commission, document, or paper or with knowledge of its
fraudulent character, with wrongful or fraudulent intent, uses, buys,
procures, sells, or transfers to another any such certificate,
instrument, commission, document, or paper, to which or upon which said
seal has been so fraudulently affixed or impressed, shall be fined under
this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both. 
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1017.shtml

Despite my protests of judicial misconduct Judges Moore, Barrett, Weis
award decision to Sandia

10/6/95      [890055] Order filed by Judges Moore, Barrett, Weis
             "...All outstanding motions are denied..." (found in Order
             & Judgment of 10/6/95) [879579-1]  Parties served by mail.
             (pdw)

when these judges should not have had Appellees� brief before them.

Then in an apparently attempt to conceal what happened

10/6/95     [890076]  NOTE: THIS ENTIRE CASE IS SEALED. Terminated on
            the Merits after Submission Without Oral Hearing; Judgment
            Affirmed; Written, Signed, Unpublished. Moore, authoring
            judge; Barrett; Weis. [94-2205] (pdw)

I WON MY APPEAL, pro se, ON A TECHNICALITY but judges Judges Moore,
Barrett, Weis
awarded the win to Sandia Labs!

Members of Congress, judicial misconduct in this matter has been
well-documented.  Court records
filed with the Tenth Circuit.  But CURRENTLY under seal.

Lawyers involved in this matter attempt to use the legal strategy of
IGNORE and STONEWALL to
attempt to deny me justice.  

Ignoring and stonewalling by lawyers forced Morales and me to seek
visibility so lawyers
could no longer ignore and stonewall.

Lawyer attitude apparently is that they ignore rules of civil procedure
or even the law so long
as their actions are invisible to public scrutiny.

Visibility was achieved by suing the National Security Agency which
revealed even more judicial misconduct http://www.jya.com/whp052898.htm.

I would like to settle all  matters involved with this unfortunate
cyrpto-related matter,
which includes criminal violations of the Privacy Act.

DOE lawyer Steve Dillingham asked me to prepare a settlement offer in
1994.  I wrote a
settlement letter  May 22, 1994 to Dillingham.  Nothing happened.

June 11, 1998 I made several modifications to my 1994 settlement letter
and sent it e-mail
to Robert Nordhaus, Chief Counsel, DOE.

I ask that you

1  help with settlement of my six-year-old since I won my appeal at the
Tenth Circuit,
2  investigate Tenth Circuit case 94-2205  Payne v. Sandia Corporation,
et al to bring
   the guilty to justice.

Sincerely

william payne

505 292 7037  I am not reading e-mail

http://jya.com/whpfiles.htm
http://www.apcatalog.com/cgi-bin/AP?ISBN=0125475705&LOCATION=US&FORM=FORM2
http://www-hto.usc.edu/software/seqaln/doc/html/gfsr.3.html

Coauthor Lewis in the above is one of my former MS and PhD students in
computer science.

http://www.friction-free-economy.com/



Monday 6/22/98 1:04 PM

Members of Congress

Purpose of this e-mail is to give written proof of criminal judicial
misconduct by Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals clerks Hoecker, Fisher, and
Judges Anderson, Barrett, Logan and request a congressional
investigation.

After several years, with Payne, of trying to get Tenth Circuit to send
docket sheets from my case,
citizen John Young  http://www.jya.com/index.htm  locates docket sheets
and posts them
    
  Morales Case Dockets 10th USCA                    June 12, 1998

on Internet at http://www.jya.com/arm061298.htm.

  Source: Online records Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals via PACER 

  GENERAL DOCKET FOR
  Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals

  Court of Appeals Docket #: 95-2204                           Filed:
9/29/95
  Nsuit: 3440
  Morales v. Sandia National Lab.
  Appeal from: United States District Court for the District of New
Mexico

I filed

11/9/95     [898274] Appellant's brief filed by Arthur R. Morales.
            Original and 2 copies.   c/s: y. Served on 11/7/95.  Oral
            argument? pro se. Appellee's brief due 12/11/95 for Sandia
            National Lab. (pdw)

Sandia files its FIRST ATTEMPT at

12/11/95   [905033] Appellee's deficient brief filed by Sandia
           National Lab.. Appellee's corrected brief due 12/21/95 for
           Sandia National Lab.  additional copies received 12/11/95.
           (fg)

Tenth Circuit court clerk Patrick Fisher writes Wells on December 11,
1995
concerning Sandia's deficient brief

  [C]orrections, however made, must be accompanied by proof of service
  upon all other parties to the appeal. ...

and issues

12/14/95   [905975] FIRST notice of rules violation for Deborah D.
           Wells for Appellee Sandia National Lab. (sls)

Wells submits

12/21/95    [907974] Appellee's brief filed by Sandia National Lab..
            Original and 7 copies.   c/s: y. Served on 12/20/95  Oral
            Argument? n Appellant's optional reply brief due 1/8/96 for
            Arthur R. Morales (mbm)

but DOES NOT serve me with a copy.

Wells later admits in

2/1/96        [917660] Response filed by Sandia National Lab.
              Appellant/Petitioner motion to clarify   Original and 3
              copies.  c/s: y response Null Relief Code (fg)

Certificate of Service date 30th day of January, 1996,

  [h]ad Appellant simply made a phone call to the Tenth Circuit, he
could
  have established that the Defendant-Appellee's corrected brief was
indeed
  filed on a timely basis, ...

I protested by filing

1/3/96       [909965] Appellant's motion "for the Court to Grant
             Appeal" filed by Appellant Arthur R. Morales [95-2204].
             Original and 3 copies.  c/s: y. (pdw)

1/3/96       [909966] Appellant's motion "for New Trial" filed by
             Appellant Arthur R. Morales [95-2204]. Original and 3
             copies.  c/s: y. (pdw)

1/3/96       [909967] Appellant's motion "to Discipline
             Defendant-Appellee" filed by Appellant Arthur R. Morales
             [95-2204]. Original and 3 copies.  c/s: y. (pdw)

because Sandia did not properly serve me in violation of Fisher's
December
11, 1995 order.

The Tenth Circuit court of appeals should NOT, by its own rules, filed
Appellee's brief filed by Sandia National Lab..  Original and 7
copies.   
c/s: y. Served on 12/20/95

10th Cir. R. 25.4 in 1995 page 62 reads
  
  Papers not accepted for filing. -- The clerk shall not file papers
that do not comply
  with the Federal Rules of Appellate Procedure and these rules See
10thCir. R. 42.1

And is doubtful whether court clerk Fisher had any authority under
appellate procedure
to permit Wells to correct her deficient brief.  

Rather Sandia's  brief did not comply with with Federal Rules of
Appellate Procedure and should have been summarily rejected for filing.

I WON, pro se, my appeal to the Tenth circuit on a technicality but
Judges Anderson, Barrett, Logan
awarded the win to Sandia Labs.

4/2/96        [932848] Order filed by Judges Anderson, Barrett, Logan
              denying parties' motions for general relief(found in Order
              and Judgment of 4/2/96)--"...During the course of this
              appeal, the parties have filed various motions for
              dismissal, summary grant, and sanctions. We find no merit
              to any of these motions, and they are [920851-1] Parties
              served by mail. (pdw)

by accepting and judging on a documents which was not permitted to be
before the court by
its own rules.

Judicial misconduct in my case has been well-documented as it is in
Payne's case.

Payne and I speculate that similar judicial misconduct may have occurred
at the Tenth Circuit.

Sandia lawyer Robert J Park wrote me a settlement letter on Feb 18,
1998.

I filled in the blanks and made minor handwritten chages and returned it
on February 22, 1998.  

But my offer has not yet been accepted.

I ask that you

1  help have my settlement offer accepted,
2  investigate judicial misconduct in case 95-2204 and punish the
guilty.

Some citizens can only express such frustrations with the US court
system with violence.

I seek change by legal reform.

Sincerely

Arthur R Morales
505 345 1381




From bill.stewart at pobox.com  Fri Jun 26 18:14:13 1998
From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 18:14:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Lucent Researcher Cracks PKCS#1, SSL
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980626181343.0098a8e0@popd.ix.netcom.com>


http://www.rsa.com/rsalabs/pkcs1/
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/zdnn_display/0,3440,332372,00.html



Lucent researcher cracks encryption code

By Margaret Kane, ZDNet

An encryption researcher has discovered a software flaw that could allow 
a hacker to break the software codes used for electronic commerce.

The problem protocols use the Public Key Cryptography Standard #1, 
including the Secure Sockets Layer, or SSL standard. RSA Data Security 
Inc., which defined the standard, said that the vulnerability does not
apply to PKCS #1-based secure messaging protocols, such as Secure 
Electronic Transactions and Secure Multipurpose Internet Mail Extension 
because they are not susceptible to -- and already implement --
mechanisms preventing this potential vulnerability. But at a Web site 
using SSL, a hacker could break the code by sending millions of messages 
to the target server and observing the server's response.

That information could be used to decode an intercepted session, said 
Daniel Bleichenbacher, a researcher at Lucent Technologies Inc.'s 
(Nasdaq:LU) Bell Labs. 

A slew of software companies announced today that they are working on a 
patch for the problem, and will post it on their Web sites. RSA, a 
division of Security Dynamics 
Technologies, (Nasdaq:SDTI) said it is working with IBM (Nasdaq:IBM), 
Microsoft Corp.(Nasdaq:MSFT), Netscape 
Communications Corp. (Nasdaq:NSCP), Open Market Inc. (Nasdaq:OMKT), and 
others on the problem. 

RSA is also working with the CERT Coordination Center on the problem, 
which has posted a technical advisory about the situation. 

Reuters contributed to this story. 


++++++++++++++++++ Extracted From Another web page there m+++++++++++++
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/zdnn_display/0,3440,332372,00.html

SSL flaw could expose encrypted data

A researcher at Lucent Technologies Inc.'s Bell Laboratories has discovered a vulnerability in the SSL encryption commonly used in electronic commerce transactions.



The flaw, which has been exposed only in a laboratory setting, would allow a hacker to capture encrypted data in a session between a browser and server.



The vulnerability is hardly a fatal flaw in SSL (Secure Sockets Layer). Rather, it's a hole that a savvy Web site administrator should be able to spot before a hacker can do any damage.



"The good news here is that you still have to be pretty smart to break it," said Julie Ferguson, chief technology officer of ClearCommerce Corp., in Austin, Texas.



The researcher, Daniel Bleichenbacher, who works in the secure systems research department of Bell Labs, in Murray Hill, N.J., found a way for a hacker to derive the session key used in a transaction by feeding off the error messages created by a server.



First, the hacker must prepare roughly 1 million messages to send against the server to capture the information. Bleichenbacher said he created an algorithm that analyzes those messages and derives the session key--which is randomly generated for each transaction by a combination of public and private keys at the Web site and the consumer's browser. Still, a competent site administrator should notice that his Web site has suddenly received a barrage of bad messages.



"It should be very easy to see that an attack is taking place," Bleichenbacher said. The hacker would also have to capture a session at some point on the line, likely at an Internet service provider, not knowing whether there is information within it that is worth stealing.



Because a session key is randomly generated for each session, it's possible for a hacker to capture information only about that individual session, said officials at RSA Data Security Inc., which developed SSL in conjunction with Netscape Communications Corp.


The flaw, technically found in the standard called the Public Key Cryptography System #1, does not apply to encryption algorithms themselves but rather to the way packets are placed into encrypted envelopes. PKCS#1 is due to be upgraded next month, and the latest revision will account for the newly found vulnerability, said Scott Schnell, vice president of marketing at RSA, in Redwood City, Calif.


 The implications are perhaps most serious for home banking, because a hacker using this flaw could capture a user's banking information.



Although there are no known real-world attacks taking advantage of this SSL flaw, software vendors promise to have patches that mask the error messages. Netscape, in Mountain View, Calif., already has one available on its Web site for several applications, including Netscape Enterprise Server, Netscape Proxy Server and the company's messaging servers.



Microsoft Corp. also has created a fix that masks the error messages that a hacker would rely upon. Officials of the Redmond, Wash., company said they have worked with Netscape to ensure that their respective fixes do not create interoperability problems.



Both companies said they have already alerted major customers about the problem and provided them with fixes.




				Thanks! 
					Bill
Bill Stewart, bill.stewart at pobox.com
PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF  3C85 B884 0ABE 4639





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From billp at nmol.com  Fri Jun 26 19:24:30 1998
From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 19:24:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Wooden sculpture
Message-ID: <35945717.2653@nmol.com>


Friday 6/26/98 7:44 PM

John Young

I am reading

  http://www.jya.com/gak-fails.htm

Tonight I retrieved a wooden sculpture given to me by
numerical analyst 

  LINPACK  http://av.yahoo.com/bin/query?p=linpack&z=2&hc=0&hs=0

Richard Hanson.

That's him!  http://www.vni.com/products/imsl/hanson.html

Hanson gave me the sculpture in about 1978.

Hanson and I have been colleagues for about 25 years.

I will forward it to you.  With initials on the bottom.

And, of course, YOU must pass on the sculpture to the 
NEXT DESERVING.

Our buddies aren't happy about what happened.  http://www.wpiran.org/

Allahu akbar ... and keep up wind. 

Until we get SETTLMENT, of course.

Settlment must include support payments for Iranian mothers who lost
sons in the Iraq/Iran war, retirement benfits for them, health insurance
and a LETTER OF APOLOGY.  All paid for by NSA and the CIA.

We are ALL working for settlment.

bill

http://www.apcatalog.com/cgi-bin/AP?ISBN=0125475705&LOCATION=US&FORM=FORM2

http://www-hto.usc.edu/software/seqaln/doc/html/gfsr.3.html







From bill.stewart at pobox.com  Fri Jun 26 19:49:29 1998
From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 19:49:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: RSA Material on PKCS#1 Crack
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980626194913.00909b10@popd.ix.netcom.com>


The attack: ftp://ftp.rsa.com/pub/pdfs/bulletn7.pdf
	4-page PDF file.  There's also a Postscript version available.
	The paper is by Bleichenbacher of Lucent and
	Burt Kaliski and Jessica Staddon of RSA Labs.
OEM Countermeasures: http://www.rsa.com/rsalabs/pkcs1/oem_counter.html
	(below)
Countermeasures for Users of Servers: http://www.rsa.com/rsalabs/pkcs1/countermeasures.html
	(below - it's pointers to vendor home pages, pleasantly including C2.
	Apparently they've done a good job coordinating it...)
Q&A : http://www.rsa.com/rsalabs/pkcs1/qa.html


======         RSA to Provide OEM Customers
               with Guidelines and Technology to
               Thwart Potential Web Server
               Security Attack

               OAEP Formatting Adds Important Security to
               Vulnerable Applications

               June 26, 1998 -- RSA Data Security, Inc. today
               announced guidelines to assist its OEM customers in
               both assessing their products� vulnerability to a newly
               discovered potential security attack, and to identify
               pre-emptive countermeasures to thwart such an attack. 
               The guidelines are designed to help developers
               understand the nature and mechanism of the threat,
               pose a series of technical questions to identify
               vulnerable constructs in the developer�s software
               design, and provide a set of countermeasures from
               which to choose based on the developer�s needs. 
               These guidelines are available online at
               http://www.rsa.com/rsalabs/.

               The potential threat affects server products that employ
               an interactive key establishment protocol in conjunction
               with the PKCS #1 standard for digital envelopes,
               including SSL-based servers.  SET (Secure Electronic
               Transaction) and other secure messaging protocols,
               such as S/MIME (Secure Multipurpose Internet Mail
               Extension), are not susceptible to or already implement
               mechanisms preventing this potential attack. 

               Recent research by cryptographer Daniel
               Bleichenbacher of the Bell Labs Secure Systems
               Research Department, the research and development
               arm of Lucent Technologies, indicate that the above
               combination is potentially vulnerable to a class of attack
               known as Adaptive Chosen Ciphertext Attacks.  The
               potential attack noted by Mr. Bleichenbacher relies on
               sending a target server on the order of a million carefully
               constructed messages and observing variations in the
               server�s response.  As such, the attack is both
               detectable and can be prevented with countermeasures.

               For some developers, the most effective countermeasure
               is incorporation of the Optimal Asymmetric Encryption
               Padding (OAEP) technology, a method of formatting an
               encrypted message so that attackers cannot learn
               information about the contents through repeated
               probing.  OAEP is designed to thwart a variety of
               attacks, including the Adaptive Chosen Ciphertext
               Attack.

               For other developers, the most effective countermeasure
               will be preventing an assailant from gaining information
               from messages returned from their server.  RSA�s
               guidelines provide design information for developers to
               use in implementing this form of countermeasure as well.

               RSA Laboratories, the research arm of RSA, plans to
               include OAEP in the next version of  PKCS #1, a widely
               used cryptography standard, that will be available as a
               draft for comment in July.  PKCS #1 is used in SSL and
               other popular security mechanisms to provide
               confidentiality for exchange of symmetric encryption
               keys (digital envelopes), as well as to construct digital
               signatures.  

               OAEP has already been integrated into RSA�s newest
               release of BSAFE� 4.0, the company�s flagship
               cryptographic security development suite which began
               shipping this month.  RSA intends to make available
               OAEP updates conforming to the new PKCS #1
               specification for its BSAFE 3.0 and 4.0 products in July,
               and to incorporate OAEP in an upcoming version of
               JSAFE�, RSA�s security engine for Java�.  RSA
               recommends that developers target these upcoming
               OAEP updates for inclusion in their products.  Check
               this site for more information on OAEP updates in the
               coming weeks.  

               RSA�s Website will also host links to vendors� sites
               where countermeasures are made available as a service
               to both OEMs and end customers.  See RSA�s related
               announcement on this subject.  Currently, the following
               vendor information Website links are available: 

                    C2Net Software, Inc. http://www.c2.net 
                    Consensus Development Corporation
                    http://www.consensus.com/ssl-rsa.html 
                    IBM Corporation http://www.ibm.com/security 
                    Lotus Development Corporation
                    http://www.lotus.com/security 
                    Microsoft Corporation
                    http://www.microsoft.com/security 
                    Netscape Communications Corporation
                    http://www.netscape.com 
                    Open Market, Inc.
                    http://www.openmarket.com/security/ 
                    RSA Data Security, Inc.
                    http://www.rsa.com/rsalabs 

                

               An RSA Labs technical paper discussing this
               vulnerability, as well as additional information, is
               available on RSA�s Website,
               http://www.rsa.com/rsalabs.


============ SSL Countermeasures

These countermeasures enhance the security of popular Internet servers 
and  software products based on the Secure Sockets Layer (SSL) protocol.  
The countermeasures are available from respective vendors' Web sites, 
and include configuration guidelines, software updates where applicable 
and additional information.  
Currently available vendor information may be found at the following sites:
                Aventail Corporation
                                            http://www.aventail.com/  
                C2Net Software, Inc. 
                                            http://www.c2.net/
                Consensus Development Corporation
                                            http://www.consensus.com/
                Lotus Development Corporation
                                            http://www.lotus.com/security
                IBM Corporation
                                            http://www.ibm.com/security/
                Microsoft Corporation
                                            http://www.microsoft.com/security/
                Netscape Communications Corporation
                                            http://help.netscape.com/products/server/ssldisc overy/index.html
                Open Market, Inc. 
                                            http://www.openmarket.com/security/
                RSA Data Security, Inc.
                                            http://www.rsa.com/rsalabs/


				Thanks! 
					Bill
Bill Stewart, bill.stewart at pobox.com
PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF  3C85 B884 0ABE 4639





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From lreed at west.cscwc.pima.edu  Fri Jun 26 21:55:15 1998
From: lreed at west.cscwc.pima.edu (Linda Reed--PCC West Campus CSC)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 21:55:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: BumBoy III - SPACE ALIENS HIDE MY DRUGS!!!
Message-ID: <009C84D5.C921D340.16@west.cscwc.pima.edu>


BumBoy III - SPACE ALIENS HIDE M DRUGS!!!
__________________________________________

BumBoy Interview: C-J VAN DAMNNED (will it never end?)
{ AnInterViewerToBeNamedLater, sucking medication out of
  Baby's twat, only to find that it was a surprisingly
  pleasureable experience, made the mistake of allowing
  the Author to continue the interview on his own, while
  she and the TruthMongrel engaged in behavior that even
  the disgusting perverts on the BumBoy staff found to
  be revolting, since it was being done by two females.}

VOICES: "Tell them about US..."
VAN DAMNNED: It's not always voices...sometimes it's dreams...
sometimes the TV, or the Radio, or...anything, really...
Like the dream where I'm in the front row at a prizefight,
and two guys are beating the living shit out of each other,
until the final bell sounds and the winner is declared.
Then the two guys get out of the ring and come after me. The
one wearing the elephant-colored boxing trunks holds me down
while the one wearing the donkey-colored trunks starts shoving
a large box up my asshole, and pieces of paper fall out, giving
me papercuts, until one of the pieces of paper cuts my throat
as I puke it out, and the two guys who pretended to be fighting
each other are sucking up my blood out of the trough at the 
edge of the boxing ring, which turns out to be a pig-pen.
As the last of my lifeblood drains out of me, a person in
a dirty white smock appears, saying, "I'm from the government,
and I'm here to help you." As the person places the piece of
paper that cut my throat onto my juglar vein, to stop the 
bleeding, I notice that it is an election ballot--it is *my* 
election ballot.
As the ambulance rushes me back to my office, to return to
work, with the attendants telling me I should be back to normal
in about forty months, the two boxers walk past me, arm in
arm, with two sinister-looking agents walking behind them,
discussing their 'fighters' rematch, four years hence.
They have decided to raise the price of tickets from $100.00
to $500.00, since the government automatically deducts it
from everyone's paycheck, whether they attend the 'fight'
or not. As they discuss how much to raise the concession
prices for beer, soda, peanuts, popcorn and hot dogs, they
seem to suddenly notice me, and stop to offer their sincere
condolences for my 'accident', and say that they hope it
won't prevent me from attending the rematch.
As if on cue, the fight-promoter, who tells me he is from
the government, and is here to help me, picks up a pig-turd
containing a small piece of the hot-dog I was eating when I
was sodomized by the boxers, and hands it to me, saying, "This
is your share of the 'take'. ou know, in Communist countries,
the government keeps it all..."
I don't think I'll attend the rematch. I have a feeling that
I already know who wins...and who loses...

VOICES: "ou're getting excited again. Why don't you take your
medicine, and read a book, or something, to calm you down?"
VAN DAMNNED: ou sadistic pricks, you *know* that the only 
book I have with me is Collier and Horowitz's, 'The KENNEDS,
AN AMERICAN DRAMA,' and it's not in the least bit entertaining,
since I just finished a book about the Mafia, so I know how
everything in the Kennedy book, or *any book on politics, is 
going to turn out even before the authors even finish writing 
about it.
It's even more depressing than reading Hitler's "Mein Kamf" and
"New World Order" and then reading mainstream press reports about
government news conferences. Doesn't anybody do 'original material'
any more, or is everyone just plagarizing President Henny oungman,
who said, "Take my citizens...please!"
And take them...and take them...and take them...

VOICES: "We *told* you that everything since the Big Bang has
been plagarism..."
VAN DAMNNED: Oh, yeah? What about my song, "Booger-Eating Dog
(Don't Bite The Nose That Feeds ou)," or, "I Was Sitting On
My Horse, And She Jerked Me Off," and all of the other sick,
depraved songs I've written? Do you see a big lineup of people
claiming credit for the lyrics?

VOICES: "ou're getting excited again. See, you even placed your
quote marks in the correct place..."
VAN DAMNNED: See, there is another thing that proves that people
are capable of original, independent thought and actions...
Just because I'm the Author doesn't mean I have to use correct
spelling, punctuation, syntax (whatever the hell that is), or
write in a manner that indicates a well-researched and well-
reasoned train of thought. 

VOICES: "That doesn't make you unique, you fucking imbecile.
Just ask any one of a thousand publishing editors who have
to wade through the mountains of trash sent to them by self-
declared 'authors' who eventually end up cashing in Andy
Warhol's IOU for 'Fifteen Minutes Of Fame' by becoming a
guest on the Jerry Springer Show and telling the whole world
about how they got their dog pregnant by sucking themselves
off and blowing their sperm up her twat."
VAN DAMNNED: That wasn't *me*! That was someone who just
looked like me and deposited Jerry Springer's check in my
bank account to make me look bad.
But I don't mind, because it makes me unique!

VOICES: "Everything since the BigBang is Plagarism. ou're just
like all the other Sheeple."
VAN DAMNNED: No! ou're trying to trick me into thinking that
I'm not a free, independent human being. ou're trying to take
away the only things I have to hold on to that make me unique. 
ou want me to believe that I am not the only sick, depraved
pervert in the world who spreads FUD (Fear, Uncertainty and 
Disinformation) in an attempt to cloak my evil, wretched life
in an aura of grandoise importance and imagined righteousness.

VOICES: "ou haven't been following the Clinton-Lewinski affair
in the news, have you?"
VAN DAMNNED: Shut up! I'm not listening! I AM *NOT* LIKE 
PRESIDENT CLINTON!!!
I did *not* give strong encryption to those Chinese people who
let me have my way with Buddy in the Lincoln bedroom before they
ate him. I'm the one who tried to expose the fact that the *real*
Buddy had been replaced by a cross-cloning of Spuds Mackenzie and
Janet Reno. I told the CypherPunks to draw glasses on a picture
of Buddy and see if it looked like Reno.
That was *me*, *really*! I just forged Mark Hedges name to that
post to make him look like an asshole! Honest!

VOICES: "ou're just like all of the other sorry, pathetic losers
who can't get a *real* publishing contract with a *real* publisher
who is helping to destroy the Rain Forests by printing millions of
hardcover and paperback books decrying the destruction and loss 
of the Rain Forests.
"Instead, you continue to contribute to the destruction of the
Digital Environment by sending mountains of your rotting, greasy
Digital SPAM to the CypherPunks Disturbed Male List, where your
sins are compounded in MeatSpace as a result of the millions of
plastic  keys that need to be created every day in order
for decent, moral, law-abiding NetiZens to protect themselves and
their children from your mindless drivel.
"As punishment, WE are going to tell you the *real* name of the
right-hand square bracket..."
VAN DAMNNED: Noooo!!! I'M NOT LISTENING!!!
AAARRRRRGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

{The BumBoy Interview with C-J VAN DAMNNED came to a sudden end,
 as heavily armed, black-clad ninja agents of ACypherNipsNode-
 ToBeNamedLater, came bursting through the door, screaming,
 "Torah! Torah! Torah! Chop! Chop! ", surrounding the
 Author and allowing AnInterviewerToBeNamedLater to grab Baby
 and the tape recorder, making her escape while clutching her skirt
 close to her body, as the Author was trying to peek up it even
 as he lie on the floor taking a tremendous beating.
 "ou've got to admire his persistence." she told BumBoy editors
 while dropping off the interview tapes.
 Sadly, we must report that Baby, obviously a codependent enabler
 of the Author's sickness, failed to make it to California, where
 BumBoy was prepared to foot the bill for her to see a Doggie
 Therapist, instead choosing to return to the Author, once again
 dropping the BadBillyG mask at HisOrHer feet and backing toward
 him with her tail raised in eager anticipation.
 Redoubtable sources inform us that the black-clad ninja agents
 of ACypherNipsNodeToBeNamedLater sat back, drinking the Author's
 Scotch and enjoying the spectacle, as well as tucking money in
 the Author's panties when HeOrShe bound Baby's feet for the
 second performance.
 Official Police Reports indicate that, when officers arrived in
 response to noise complaints from the neighbors, that the ninjas
 were fighting violently over a Din-Din Tin roasting pan and a
 bottle of barbeque sauce, seemingly surprised that the Author 
 and Baby TruthMongrel had vanished.
 The leader of the black-clad ninja agents was quoted as saying,
 "Shit! We come to Ito his dog, and now we have to go home and
 Ito mole of his SPAM, instead." Turning to his companions, he
 said, "We go now...chop-chop!"
 Looking embarassed, the leader explained to police, "We not 
 even know what that mean, until oul fliend, Timmy-San, point
 us to the alchives, whele we find out it mean we have big
 cocks, rike Amelican bikels. Then we aporogized fol accusing
 Timmy-San of making fun of us. He good guy..."
 The editors at BumBoy, upon receiving Declan McCullagh's 
 expense receipts for the clothing he purchased to go undercover
 as AnInterviewerToBeNamedLater, could not help but notice that
 an article of clothing conspicuously missing from the receipts
 was...panties.}






From jya at pipeline.com  Sat Jun 27 13:05:28 1998
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:05:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Jim Bell Update
Message-ID: <199806272005.QAA08989@camel8.mindspring.com>


According to the June 26 court docket:

1. Jim was arrested June 22;

2. A hearing was held on June 23, USDC Western WA, 
Tacoma;

3. A new defense attorney present, Peter Voelker;

4. Jim advised of rights and of allegations in violation petition 
(not specified); 

5. Gov moves for detention; 

6. Gov and defense attorneys make unspecified proffers; 

7. Jim is ordered detained; 

8. Probation revocation hearing set for July 10;

9. Judge appoints an (unamed) Federal Public Defender.








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From: jorgec at mundivia.es (Jorge C. Palma)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:16:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: What does it mean and How much does it cost a healthy diet? A natural foods one !
Message-ID: <6n3jrl$27h$14645@talia.mad.ibernet.es>


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From jdobruck at kki.net.pl  Sat Jun 27 13:31:21 1998
From: jdobruck at kki.net.pl (Jan)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:31:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Program: 'Speak Feely' for "secure comminucations"...
Message-ID: <3595576A.A100CB77@kki.net.pl>


Greetings,

I've come across this program on the net which claims to give "secure
communications"... could any of you folks comment of this program? 

	Speak Freely 6.1 For Windows 95/NT (295K) 
	Author: John Walker 
	Homepage: http://www.fourmilab.ch/speakfree/windows/
	Description: Real time one to one audio chat, half or full duplex,
bitmap 	transfer. Encryption for secure communications. Might be slow
with modem 	connections. 

The text below is part of the text on the homepage...

========================
Speak Freely for Windows

                         Release 6.1

Speak Freely is a Windows application that allows you to talk
(actually send voice, not typed characters) over a network. If your
network connection isn't fast enough to support real-time voice data,
four forms of compression may allow you, assuming your computer is
fast enough, to converse nonetheless. To enable secure communications,
encryption with DES, IDEA, and/or a key file is available. If PGP is
installed on the user's machine, it can be invoked automatically to
exchange IDEA session keys for a given conversation. Speak Freely for
Windows is compatible with Speak Freely for Unix, and users of the two
programs can intercommunicate. Users can find one another by
communicating with a "Look Who's Listening" phone book server. You can
designate a bitmap file to be sent to users who connect so they can
see who they're talking to. Speak Freely supports Internet RTP
protocol, allowing it to communicate with other Internet voice
programs which use that protocol; in addition, Speak Freely can also
communicate with programs which support the VAT (Visual Audio Tool)
protocol.

...

[remainder snipped]

Jan out.





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From jya at pipeline.com  Sat Jun 27 15:34:16 1998
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 15:34:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: CIA Hires Lo/Hi-Tech Spies
Message-ID: <199806272234.SAA30802@camel7.mindspring.com>


NYT, June 27, 1998:

Getting Back to Basics, C.I.A. Is Hiring More Spies 

Taking steps to reduce dependence on high-tech spying. 

By James Risen

Washington, June 26--The Central Intelligence Agency 
is beginning the largest recruitment drive for new spies 
in its history, in an ambitious effort to rebuild its 
espionage service, which has been severely damaged by 
spy scandals, budget cutbacks and high turnover since 
the end of the cold war, officials said.
 
With Congress already providing increased financing, 
the Directorate of Operations, the C.I.A.'s clandestine 
espionage arm, will hire record numbers of case officers
--spies-- beginning this year as part of a new strategic 
plan to repair the decaying espionage capabilities of 
the United States by 2005, officials said. 

In addition to expanded hiring, the agency also plans to 
reopen several overseas stations that were closed in the 
early 1990's after the demise of the Soviet Union led 
Congress and the White House to reduce the C.I.A.'s 
budget sharply. 

The recruitment plan is a sign that the C.I.A. recognizes 
that it has become far too dependent on so-called technical 
intelligence, or eavesdropping devices and spy satellites. 
Now, the agency wants to get back to espionage basics, by 
increasing its ability to place a spy behind enemy lines 
or inside the offices of a rival government. 

The spread of new technologies like encryption and computer 
networks has eroded the value of spy satellites and listening 
devices and has led the C.I.A. to see the need for an 
expanded cadre of spies. Without having an agent in place, 
the C.I.A. has found it much harder to gain access to secrets 
from rival governments, terrorists and international 
organized crime groups.  ...

The C.I.A. is recruiting case officers, and people to support 
them with technical skills that spies have rarely been asked 
to learn in the past. 

"As we tried to figure out our requirements for the future, 
we realized we needed to have greater technical support for 
agent operations," said one American official. 

At the top of the list of requirements is computer expertise. 
The proliferation of global computer data networks, for example, 
has made it more difficult for the agency to slip into a 
country using false identifications. Only computer experts 
can defeat those local computer systems, and even developing 
countries routinely make sophisticated computer checks on 
passports and visas. ...

-----

Full story: http://jya.com/cia-hires.htm






From gwb at gwb.com.au  Sat Jun 27 18:25:41 1998
From: gwb at gwb.com.au (Global Web Builders)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 18:25:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: New on-line moderated forum for Pauline Hanson's One Nation
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980628010014.00a78dbc@mail.pronet.net.au>


G'day One Nation supporter in NSW

Pauline Hanson's One Nation now has its own moderated discussion group on-line.

You may participate by requesting a unique username and password from GWB by
reply email.

The URL for the discussion board is:

http://plato.cc.adfa.oz.au/auspolitics/

Follow the link to Pauline Hanson's One Nation discussion group in the frame
on the right.

The purpose of the discussion group is to discuss One Nation policy, issues
and brain storm.

Please not IT IS a moderated discussion group and any offensive posts will
result in the poster being taken off the forum.

GWB



Scott Balson







From jya at pipeline.com  Sat Jun 27 18:43:00 1998
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 18:43:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: AU Cryptozilla Attack
Message-ID: <199806280142.VAA19935@camel7.mindspring.com>


Thanks to Anonymous we offer the article which
describes the AU government attack on Eric Young's 
and Tim Hudson's full-strength Cryptozilla for Netscape:

   http://jya.com/oz-crypto.htm

It's also a good overview of crypto policy battles down 
under -- the pols, the crats, the laws, the regs, the 
obfuscations, the work arounds of export controls
and runarounds with chicken heads off -- like like 
all around hereabouts.






From ci0u at worldnet.att.net  Sat Jun 27 19:32:29 1998
From: ci0u at worldnet.att.net (ci0u at worldnet.att.net)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 19:32:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Earn $100 every time OUR phone rings...
Message-ID: 



ALL YOU DO IS ADVERTISE THIS 800 NUMBER! THAT'S ALL!! 

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  ALL YOU DO IS ADVERTISE the toll-free number and your ID number. 

* You can get STARTED TODAY. Just advertise the business toll-free 
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  with a 1/10th of a percent (0.1%) sales rate at $100 per sale nets 
  $10,000... not too bad.

There is nothing else out there that will provide you with an immediate income 
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From whgiii at invweb.net  Sat Jun 27 20:06:47 1998
From: whgiii at invweb.net (William H. Geiger III)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 20:06:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: CIA Hires Lo/Hi-Tech Spies
In-Reply-To: <199806272234.SAA30802@camel7.mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <199806280312.WAA005.26@geiger.com>


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   at 06:29 PM, John Young  said:

>Washington, June 26--The Central Intelligence Agency 
>is beginning the largest recruitment drive for new spies 
>in its history, in an ambitious effort to rebuild its 
>espionage service, which has been severely damaged by 
>spy scandals, budget cutbacks and high turnover since 
>the end of the cold war, officials said.

Sounds like a good time to get some moles in place. :)

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From whgiii at invweb.net  Sat Jun 27 21:05:16 1998
From: whgiii at invweb.net (William H. Geiger III)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 21:05:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Jim Bell Update
In-Reply-To: <199806272005.QAA08989@camel8.mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <199806280410.XAA006.76@geiger.com>


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In <199806272005.QAA08989 at camel8.mindspring.com>, on 06/27/98 
   at 04:01 PM, John Young  said:

>According to the June 26 court docket:

>1. Jim was arrested June 22;

>2. A hearing was held on June 23, USDC Western WA, 
>Tacoma;

>3. A new defense attorney present, Peter Voelker;

>4. Jim advised of rights and of allegations in violation petition  (not
>specified); 

>5. Gov moves for detention; 

>6. Gov and defense attorneys make unspecified proffers; 

>7. Jim is ordered detained; 

>8. Probation revocation hearing set for July 10;

>9. Judge appoints an (unamed) Federal Public Defender.


If I were Jim the next time I got out they would never find me again. It
seems quite obvious that they are going to hound him to the day he dies.

Jim has a chem degree doesn't he? I know a few countries where such
talents are in demand :)

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From attila at hun.org  Sat Jun 27 21:34:04 1998
From: attila at hun.org (attila)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 1998 21:34:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Jim Bell Update
In-Reply-To: <199806280410.XAA006.76@geiger.com>
Message-ID: 


On Sat, 27 Jun 1998, William H. Geiger III wrote:

>If I were Jim the next time I got out they would never find me again. It
>seems quite obvious that they are going to hound him to the day he dies.
>
>Jim has a chem degree doesn't he? I know a few countries where such
>talents are in demand :)
>
	yeah, but the weather in Baghdad is not only hot, but 
  	occasionally rains clusters.







From q4ix at worldnet.att.net  Sun Jun 28 01:25:58 1998
From: q4ix at worldnet.att.net (q4ix at worldnet.att.net)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 01:25:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Earn $100 every time OUR phone rings...
Message-ID: 



ALL YOU DO IS ADVERTISE THIS 800 NUMBER! THAT'S ALL!! 

$100 goes to you for EVERY sale that the company closes!

Does the idea of making at least $1,000 per week beginning your 2nd week of 
doing business excite you? 

How about never having to sell a thing to your customer and never having 
to talk to ANYONE to make money? I don't know how this could get any easier.

EVERY aspect of selling or talking to someone is DONE COMPLETELY by the company!  

The number one home based business for the 2nd year in a row, Fortune 5000 
is a member of the Better Business Bureau and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

WHAT THIS BUSINESS WILL DO FOR YOU:

* Handles all your calls, closes your sales, and 
  sends you WEEKLY commission checks! 

* It pays you a $100 commission (that's over 50% of the total sale)
  for EVERY sale. CHECKS put $$$ in your pocket in less than your first 
  week or two... Quick commission earnings build and maintain motivation. 
  ALL YOU DO IS ADVERTISE the toll-free number and your ID number. 

* You can get STARTED TODAY. Just advertise the business toll-free 
  number with your ID # and let this business CLOSE YOUR SALES every day...
  They do all the work and YOU GET PAID FOR IT! 

* You may advertise any way you choose: Bulk E-Mail, Flyers, Classifieds, 
  Postcards, etc. Suppose you use bulk E-Mail, as I am: 100,000 E-Mails
  with a 1/10th of a percent (0.1%) sales rate at $100 per sale nets 
  $10,000... not too bad.

There is nothing else out there that will provide you with an immediate income 
beginning THIS WEEK with minimal effort.

Before you call, I want you to think about the quality of the live 
operators handling your call. I am convinced you will not find 
a better team of closers for your own personal sales.  You will 
clearly understand what I am talking about once you call.  

PLEASE DON'T LET THIS PASS YOU BY. MAKE THE CALL!!

1-800-811-2141

You will be asked for ID #50030 when you call.

(Live operators are available from 8 AM-10 PM CST Monday through Saturday and 
will be able to answer any questions you may have.)

Call one of the 24hr TESTIMONIAL lines at 888-703-5389, 888-446-6949, 888-446-6951
or 888-731-3457 (all toll free). 






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From: creditmedic at earthlink.net (creditmedic at earthlink.net)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 06:30:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Credit Medic
Message-ID: <199806281325.GAA12072@scotland.it.earthlink.net>


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From hihe57 at texas.net  Sun Jun 28 10:52:38 1998
From: hihe57 at texas.net (Cherry Pit)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 10:52:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: New Web Site
Message-ID: <19980628206FAA56484@post.pge.com>


Cherry Pit



Check Out My Free Adult Site with Lots of Pictures




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From Ivestheis at aol.com  Sun Jun 28 17:27:54 1998
From: Ivestheis at aol.com (Ivestheis at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 17:27:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: tell me about digi cash if you know about it
Message-ID: <121815ca.3596df68@aol.com>


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From billp at nmol.com  Sun Jun 28 18:28:58 1998
From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 18:28:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Just clicked on http://www.jya.com/crypto.htm
Message-ID: <3596ED18.890@nmol.com>


Sunday 6/28/98 7:12 PM

John Young

Just looked at http://www.jya.com/crypto.htm

usa062698.htm      Payne v. NSA: US on Classified NSA Declaration   
June 27, 1998

usa062298.htm      Payne v. NSA: US Motion on FOIA for NSA Algos    
June 27, 1998

See you got the Saturday fax.

Dinner is ready, said Patty.

Glad you enjoyed the hat I sent you  ...

FLASH

Patty just called me to dinner.  Patty yelled J Orlin Grabbe!

J ORLIN GRABBE appeared on 60 Minutes. http://www.aci.net/kalliste/

Leslie Stall was critital.

Watched remainder of 60 minutes.

For the record, Patty is my SAME wife since 1962, 

  Implementing Basics : How Basics Work
  by William H. and Patricia Payne

 
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/subst/home/home.html/002-8309979-0236834

Patty and I met John Gilmore http://www.cygnus.com/~gnu/
and his girl friend Cindy for dinner in about October.

It took about 15 minutes for Patty and I to discover if Gilmore and his
girl friend were of THE SAME SPECIES.

I am a TOTAL CONSERVATIVE.  

I FINALLY saw J Orlin Grabbe on 60 Minutes tonight.

http://www.aci.net/kalliste/speccoll.htm
http://www.aci.net/kalliste/nukearse.htm
http://www.aci.net/kalliste/sandcryp.htm

Looks like he may be from a different spicies too.  

But from our minds, Gilmore, Grabbe, and LOTS OF YOU
think the same thoughts.  

And likely John Young too. Good ones.  No evil.

I need to collect my thoughts after seeing 60 minutes tonight.

Best 
bill







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Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 21:49:23 -0700 (PDT)
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From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Mon Jun 29 04:07:25 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 04:07:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: (no subject)Re: Premail (and Replay)
Message-ID: <199806291108.NAA19606@basement.replay.com>


Anonymous #49812 wrote:
> On 28 Jun 1998, Secret Squirrel wrote:
>
> > Also, remailer at replay.com appears to have been deleted. The 'remailer'
> > user is unknown.
> 
> That's correct. I don't know what happened.

Oh, really?





From attila at hun.org  Mon Jun 29 04:31:51 1998
From: attila at hun.org (attila)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 04:31:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: saving the world from a cancerous monopoly
Message-ID: 


	there is only one _sane_ course of action against M$:
	divestiture  --before Gates becomes the Hydra.

	to make it short: at 90% of the OS market, and 95% of the 
	current	office software (w/p, spreadsheet, database, etc) 
	market worldwide, M$ _is_ in a position of total market 
	dominance.

	the real issue is not the 90% of the OS market, it is the
	95% (expected to grow to 98% before 2000) of the office s/w.
	the office software, available _only_ on M$ platforms 
	creates a self-perpetuating juggernaut: no other OS can
	even begin to make market penetraton without the key
	product (office s/w) --and people are not willing to
	learn a new application-- that's just human nature.

	it will take two technical factors to make M$ subject to 
	market pressures and responsive to further competitive
	innovation (and this involves extensive ongoing regulation
	and oversight which I consider anathema):

	1.  M$' base operating system must be fully defined; eg-
	    the API interface must be made available to all. if
	    the API is not a moving target, emulators can be 
	    written enabling native WinTel s/w to run correctly
	    on other platforms (unix variants, OS/2, beos, apple,
	    etc). the increasing CPU "horsepower" makes this 
	    approach at least feasible.
	    
	2.  M$ must be required to port it's major products to
	    other operating systems; it is worth noting that 
	    freeBSD, for instance, will run native binaries from
	    Linux and SCO variants which simplifies on set.

	    as a corollary, M$ must be required to support some 
	    of the non-Intel hardware ports such as freeBSD or 
	    Linux on Alpha (almost 5 years ago, Alpha was at the 
	    performance level of the current Intel 400 Mhz). M$
	    does support Word and Explorer on Apple, but major
	    features were not ported in both instances --this is
	    not acceptable.

	I am not in favour of the government meddling in the design
	or integration of M$ products...  but:

	the Sherman Act, passed in 1890 is designed to level the 
	playing field, not regulate/administrate. the real issue 
	of the act is that it acts _in the interest of society_ 
	to curtail monopolistic and anti-competitive actions and
	excesses  --M$ certainly qualifies for the remedies far
	more than John D. Rockefeller's Standard Oil did in 1908.

	Bill Gates, through his _total_ dominance of the desktop, 
	
	  (with exceptiom of a few of the hardheaded/stubborn who
	  refuse to run _any_ M$ products (author included))

	is using his cash cow, swollen by gouging the consumer, to
	acquire _significant_ interests in industries which use
	computers: cable networks, cellular networks, satellite 
	networks, etc. and related industries dependent on 
	communications: news (MSNBC), television, productions, 
	etc.

	this horizontal and vertical spread of M$ is even more 
	dangerous. Bill Gates is quickly approaching critical mass
	--Bill Gates could literally bring the world to its knees--
	and Gates is a notorious control freak: there is Bill's
	way, there is Bill's way, there is...    sorry, there is
	no other way.
	
	unless the DOJ shows some spine, particularly in light of
	the appeals court ruling dumping the injunction _and_ the
	special master (which is far more critical than the public
	perceives, which is why M$ went after Lessig), the DOJ is
	going to be in and out of court with M$ until M$ literally
	buys the government or intimidates the DOJ out of the deal.  

	the scenario of forcing M$ to accommodate other OSs and
	hardware platforms might be workable, but Gates will not
	only fight it, but it will be a constant additional legal
	burden to force M$ to make the services available in a
	timely manner; in other words, the government will end
	up establishing an agency the size of the FCC just to
	regulate M$ the "controlled" monopoly (as Sen. Hatch
	threatened).

	nothing in American law says we can not have a regulated 
	monopoly if it serves the public interest --AT&T provided 
	superb and universal service for decades (many of us would 
	love to have that service today), but AT&T did _not_ 
	innovate in a timely manner at the market demand. and
	telephones are rather low tech compared to computers
	which have been subject to Grove's Law for two decades.

	M$ has not been a creative company --it is a marketing
	and control machine which acquires technology, often by
	less than socially acceptable means, and integrates it
	into M$' market offerings. credit must be given to M$
	for making the PC ubiquitous, but that value starts to
	wear very thin with M$' current market domination.

	from the perspective of serving the future interests
	of our society, the only effective option for the DOJ
	is to litigate for the divestiture of M$ into several
	operating companies --and to prevent Bill Gates from
	owning or controlling more than one division --much
	on the line of the AT&T divestiture.  

	anything less will mean continuing litigation and further
	dominance of Gates as he uses his enormous cash reserves 
	to buy control in additional markets. likewise, the orders
	must prohibit Gates from further market horizontal and
	vertical "octopussing".  

	the Sherman Act also permits market damages (M$' 50-80% 
	gross profit margin certainly qualifies as gouging) 

	    --which are then trebled; 

	that would put a cramp on Bill's $50 _billion_ net worth 
	and probably force even further divestiture of his 
	controlling stock interests.

	Gates' personality needs to be considered as a factor
	as he must control, totally control. it is not enough
	to be first in a market, he must be the only player in
	the market.  

	Gates' tactics have been deplorable: his minions go forth to
	companies and say: "...we dont know whether to buy you out, 
	or force you out..." and if the company is purchased, it is
	purchased for much less than potential or fair market value.  

	Gates does not buy just the leader, he buys outright, 
	or controls, _all_ of the players in an emerging technology
	so there will be no competition to the direction chosen for
	inclusion in the M$ product line --and the choice may not 
	be the best choice...  the market is stifled.

	unfortunately, Bill Gates is a cancer on society. it is
	the old story: deal with it today, or deal with it later
	when Gates has become an even more cash bloated and
        arrogant monster which has devoured more of societies' 
	rights and destroyed even more of the worlds' technical 
	infrastructure.  

	Bill Gates is not going to mellow with age; if anything,
	he will get more difficult. the world will be in less of
	a shock knocking the pins out from under Gates now rather
	than later.

	    attila out....
__________________________________________________________________________
    go not unto usenet for advice, for the inhabitants thereof will say:
      yes, and no, and maybe, and I don't know, and fuck-off.
_________________________________________________________________ attila__

On Sun, 28 Jun 1998, Brian wrote:

>> 	...(Compared to Gates,  Hannibal lacks vision...) 
>>
>> 	I read a statistic yesterday (I think) that 90%
>> of all PCs have Win95 installed, and Gates wants 90% of them to 'upgrade'
>> to Win98. He has 90% of the WORLD market. And the Zionist theory people
>> worry about 6% controlling 90%? What about one guy controlling 90% of the
>> PC in the world? And stopping him is a restriction of his rights as defined
>> by the American Constitution? During a debate on this, people happened to
>> mention that the constitution was partially about resisting tyranny. Gates
>> could bury ANYTHING DEEP into a new OS (remember the windows bomb joke that
>> made the rounds a while back?), and no one would know. even then, people in
>> businesses don't speak up, cause those who dissent, get fired.
>>
>>     I think that Gates should be slowed down now, while the chance is still
>> there, and (somehow) get some alternative, workable, opposition OS's up and
>> running, yet are compatible with win95/98 as well. The only way forward is
>> through both unity and diversity.
>>








From jf_avon at citenet.net  Mon Jun 29 06:52:40 1998
From: jf_avon at citenet.net (Jean-Francois Avon)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 06:52:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: saving the world from a cancerous monopoly
Message-ID: <199806291404.KAA16743@cti06.citenet.net>


On Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:31:43 +0000 (GMT), attila wrote:


>	I am not in favour of the government meddling in the design
>	or integration of M$ products...  but:
>
>	the Sherman Act, passed in 1890 is designed to level the 
>	playing field, not regulate/administrate. the real issue 
>	of the act is that it acts _in the interest of society_ 
>	to curtail monopolistic and anti-competitive actions and
>	excesses  --M$ certainly qualifies for the remedies far
>	more than John D. Rockefeller's Standard Oil did in 1908.

That is B$, i.e. pork barelled gold plated bullshit!  Standard Oil story was simply some 
businessmen whoring to politicians whoring to businessmen.  But what a price did we pay for 
that!

The Sherman Act is simply another appropriation of market by physical force, made morally 
acceptable by legislating it.  

When a country legalize the use of force for profits, their citizens will suffer the 
consequences sooner or later.

Ciao

jfa



Jean-Francois Avon, Montreal QC Canada
"One of theses centuries, the brutes, private or public, who believe
that they can rule their betters by force, will learn the lesson of
what happens when brute force encounters mind and force."
                                              - Ragnar Danneskjold
PGP key at:    http://bs.mit.edu:8001/pks-toplev.html
ID# C58ADD0D : 529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891 







From StanSqncrs at aol.com  Mon Jun 29 08:17:54 1998
From: StanSqncrs at aol.com (StanSqncrs at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 08:17:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Premail (and Replay)
Message-ID: <51a3bf4e.3597affc@aol.com>


In a message dated 6/29/98 6:31:46 AM Central Daylight Time, nobody at REPLAY.COM
writes:

<< Anonymous #49812 wrote:
 > On 28 Jun 1998, Secret Squirrel wrote:
 >
 > > Also, remailer at replay.com appears to have been deleted. The 'remailer'
 > > user is unknown.
 > 
 > That's correct. I don't know what happened.
 
 Oh, really? >>

ROFLOL!

Stan





From hrook at exchange.microsoft.com  Mon Jun 29 10:39:33 1998
From: hrook at exchange.microsoft.com (Harvey Rook (Exchange))
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 10:39:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: saving the world from a cancerous monopoly
Message-ID: <2FBF98FC7852CF11912A00000000000108A78AC5@DINO>


From: attila [mailto:attila at hun.org]
> 	1.  M$' base operating system must be fully defined; eg-
> 	    the API interface must be made available to all. if
> 	    the API is not a moving target, emulators can be 
> 	    written enabling native WinTel s/w to run correctly
> 	    on other platforms (unix variants, OS/2, beos, apple,
> 	    etc). the increasing CPU "horsepower" makes this 
> 	    approach at least feasible.
> 	    
How do you plan on accomplishing this? The courts have said that they will
not design computers. Since freezing an API is tantamount to computer
design, this isn't going to happen any time soon.

More generlly, API's only freeze when the system is dead. Windows has, for
better or for worse, many years of life left in it. This means one way or
the other, MS will extend Windows as it needs. For them, freezing Windows
would be killing one of their cash cows.

> 	2.  M$ must be required to port it's major products to
> 	    other operating systems; it is worth noting that 
> 	    freeBSD, for instance, will run native binaries from
> 	    Linux and SCO variants which simplifies on set.

This is also very difficult to implement. How do you choose what OS/s to
port to? If MS can't expect to earn a profit from the port, then MS is
dumping software, which is not legal. Why choose x86 UNIX's (less than 10
million users) Why not MVS (more than 20 million users)?

Attila, I think you're jealous, and confused by MS's success. You don't
understand why someone would choose Windows (NT or 98) when OS's are
available that have a better core. And you desperatly want to change that.

Some terrible truths...

#1 Only MS, and Apple know how to make and OS that the mass market wants.
Apple unfortunatly doesn't know how to make hardware that the mass market
wants. 

#2 If people made decisions rationally, advertisements would consist of
nothing but readings from Consumer Reports.

#3 The typical computer user is getting less, not more intelligent. If an
x86 unix is to gain mass market popularity, it must become vastly more
usable. Most people don't know and don't care about the internals of the OS.
They don't want to think about it. They just want their documents and games
to be there when they click on them, and they want to surf the internet. Not
that Windows is perfect for usability, but it's a hell of a lot better than
UNIX.

But enough of this... this is cypherpunks, not alt.bash.microsoft. 

Take a peek at my email address if you want to see my bias.

ob cypher... I've got a validated C++ implementation of RC-6 email me if
you'd like a copy of the source.

Harv.






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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:17:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: CTIA Daily News from WOW-COM - June 29, 1998
Message-ID: <199806291808.NAA00067@revnet4.revnet.com>



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From bill.stewart at pobox.com  Mon Jun 29 11:20:37 1998
From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (bill.stewart at pobox.com)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:20:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: saving the world from a cancerous monopoly
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980629095745.009bbae0@popd.ix.netcom.com>


At 11:31 AM 6/29/98 +0000, attila wrote:
>	there is only one _sane_ course of action against M$:
>	divestiture  --before Gates becomes the Hydra.  [...]
>	the real issue is not the 90% of the OS market, it is the
>	95% (expected to grow to 98% before 2000) of the office s/w.
>	the office software, available _only_ on M$ platforms 
>	creates a self-perpetuating juggernaut: no other OS can
>	even begin to make market penetraton without the key
>	product (office s/w) --and people are not willing to
>	learn a new application-- that's just human nature.

Attlia - you'd probably enjoy reading
	"Barbarians Led By Bill Gates",
a recent book by some MS ex-insiders on how MS became what it is.
Windows 3.0, for instance, wasn't supposed to muscle out OS/2,
but the developers of Word/Excel/Powerpoint (which they originally
wrote for the Macintosh) got better development/porting support 
from the small group of developers on the low-status backwater
leftover Windoze team than from the high-profile IBM OS/2 partnership,
and Win3.0 was ready to ship when they were, unlike the upcoming
insanely great next version of OS/2.  When it sold a million copies
in a few months, Gates had to deal with it, and suddenly Windows
became a strategic product again, and gradually OS/2 became the leftover.

>	is using his cash cow, swollen by gouging the consumer, to

Gates has only gouged consumers by selling us crap which we buy,
either because we need compatibility with other users of their products,
or because we work for big companies who have centralized decision-
making droids who buy it.  

Better than Gates tells my corporate droids what to buy than Janet Reno,
Louis Freeh, or FCCmeister Kennard.  Not only do they have even less taste,
but they'd solve the problem by taking a long time to do the spec,
which wouldn't have enough details to interoperate with anything except the
National Information Infrastructure Data Entry Escrow Protocol.

Personally, I disliked WordPerfect immensely
(though I last used it back when it and MSWord were character-based),
and Word has acquired enough features to be about as flaky and 
unpredictable as WP was back then.  Excel is friendly, and I don't use s
preadsheets enough to prefer something else.  Powerpoint reeks,
and the integration between Word and Powerpoint reeks badly.

>	acquire _significant_ interests in industries which use
>	computers: cable networks, cellular networks, satellite 
>	networks, etc. and related industries dependent on 
>	communications: news (MSNBC), television, productions, 

Good for him - would you rather he spent the money acquiring 
other parts of the software industry or Seattle real estate?
He also spent a pile of money trying to outflank the Internet with MSN,
and lost badly.  Are you still running Microsoft BoB?


				Thanks! 
					Bill
Bill Stewart, bill.stewart at pobox.com
PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF  3C85 B884 0ABE 4639





From waters at ultimateprivacy.com  Mon Jun 29 11:36:54 1998
From: waters at ultimateprivacy.com (Bryan Waters)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:36:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Finally... a One-Time-Pad implementation that works!!!
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <199806291836.OAA02926@omniwork.com>


At 05:49 PM 6/27/98 -0400, Geoffrey C. Grabow wrote:
>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>
>TriStrata has announced that is has a product that provides OTP without the
>pad distribution problem.  The product also has a unique key-recovery
>system.  Check out:
>
>
>http://www.tristrata.com
>
>for details.
>
I wish there were more details.  Namely how they generate their 10^30 byte
"virtual keystream".
In order to be a true one-time pad the keystream needs to be completely
random, this looks more like a psuedo-random stream cypher to me.  But it
should be fast and still might be secure.  

As a competing one-time pad vendor I don't want to be a pot calling the
kettle black, but If I've learned anything from the cypherpunks, it's prove
it.  Which is what we've tried to do.


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From lreed at west.cscwc.pima.edu  Mon Jun 29 11:55:25 1998
From: lreed at west.cscwc.pima.edu (Linda Reed--PCC West Campus CSC)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 11:55:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Dina Moe Hmmm... - SPACE ALIENS HIDE MYDR
Message-ID: <009C86DD.7C367360.5@west.cscwc.pima.edu>


Dina Moe Hmmm... - SPACE ALIENS HIDE M DRUGS!!!
____________________________________________

>Return To Sender: ElvisImpersonatorChainsawMassacre at mccullagh.stihl
>Return Of Server: MX%RodLaver at west.cscw.pima.edu
>Date: Fri 13(*2) June 1998 ; 7:09 am/pm
>Subject: Hmmmm...
>
>"So what prompted you to start writing those missives to cypherpunks?" 
>
>Rectum McCullagh-Caulkin
>(aka Tim C. May, Sir Stan Sequin, Joicho Ito-Dogs, No Body,
> AnEnvelopeManufacturerToBeNamedLater, Nanny Anna Mess, etc.)

On the advice of my lawyers:
        GoDoG & DoGoD,
        Attorneys At Law & Lawlessness,
        Alpha & Omego Building, Suite 16,
        Nymphomani aks, N 010101
I have decided to tell the Truth, the Whole Truth, and also a
variety of Half-Truths, leaving it up to the responedent to
decide what level of truth HeOrShe can deal with without 
becoming despondent, thus putting even more of a burden on
the American R&D Department's booth at Juxtaposition '98 in
their competition with the Japanese L&R Juxtaposition '98
Booth, widely rumored to have been behind the Abraham Lincoln 
assassination.
In other words, your chances of getting a 'straight' answer are
comparable to the lengthy discussions in regard to the 'dick'
of a President whose name isn't even Richard, in the first place.

In defense of my rudimentary rudeness in replying ridiculously to
a perfectly reasonable and seemingly serious question, I must admit
that my intentions to provide an equally serious response to the
question above were thwarted by the intervention of a HigherPower-
CapableOfSquaringTheShitOutOfJason, in a process providing pretty
persuasive proof that the CranialConsipiracyCrapola I am about
to provide for your non-racist, but nevertheless discriminating,
mind, is nothing more nor less than as honest and direct anwer to
your question as I am capable of giving, given the grandoise nature
of the nature of the claim I am about to stake claim to, not as a
Wooden Indian nor a Vampire, but simply one who is driven by Forces
of Light and Darkness that are not only beyond my Ken to understand,
but also beyond the Barbie Wired to the MeatSpace Manifestation of
the magazine which was ultimately responsible for my ultimately
sending my intimate informational infatuations with CypherPunks
Issues, whether digital or organic, to the Disturbed Male LISP.

In short, it is those depraved motherfuckers at Wired Magazine who
must ultimately be held responsible for my continued spamming of
a SingleInnocentCypherPunk (TCM-aka Bill Helm-RadiationMan III,
Forever Hettinga, Politician Lefty Frissel, ChevyBlazer FloorMatt,
and Peter SonOfTheSumOfOneAndTuTuBeNamedLater.)
  The True Story (TM) of why I originally subscribed to the 
CPUNX Cardinal & Ms. Spelling LISP has been confirmed by the
Nine UnKnowing to be the result of a subconscious desire to
destroy the Band of Mary Anarchists by forcing them to band
together, forming a well-organized and tightly-knit political
organization dedicated to eliminating me from both DigitalSpace
and MeatSpace. In draw-string shorts, to yank the CPUNKS 
cotton chains and expose their private parts in a manner that
would leave no doubt about the fact that the Magic Circle of
WhiteLipstick around all of the 'members' provides postive
proof of the accuracy of Dr. Dimitri Vulis, KOTM's contention
that Nun of the CypherPunks were born female, and that they
are not, in fact, Anarchists, but merely LostBoys from Lost
Alamo who are alone in the world because they cannot accept
the diagnosis of Dr. Stephan Goodman, who theorizes that
they are "men who love men, every now and then," to whom the
phrase, 'blow it out your ass', has more meaning than it does
for most people.
[Spin Editor: What the Author *meant* to say, is that, as a
 result of being the subject of Direct Electrical Shock Radio 
 Experiments during his youth, he soon learned that, unless
 others in the room were gathered around the radio, the
 correct answer to the question, "Do you hear Voices?" is
 an emphatic "Nope! Not me...nosiree, Bob. Nope...not me!"]

What the Spin Editor *meant* to say, is that my early
exposure to the True Agenda (TM) of the MindPolice left
little doubt in my mind (little of practically *anything*,
actually) that one's career as a TruthMonger would allow
them to keep their head longer with a 'CourtJester at dev.null'
alias, than as "AnneBolyne at head.null', particularly if the
name of the person saying "I'd just like to ask you a few
questions." is OffWithSir Head, or who holds a position
titled 'Head Doctor' in a non-medical surgical facility.
To make a short story long, with a bend in the middle, Dog
spoke to me in a Stream piped through the fillings in my
teeth, and told me that there was one who would come before
me, to prepare my way, who would be a 'voice lying in the
wilderness', telling the masses, "I am a messenger for one
who will come after me, who is (a) greater (bullshitter) than
I, sent by Dog to sniff the rear parts of the front-men posing
as wolves, in wolves clothing, who say 'What big teeth I have...
the better to make you render unto Ceasar, that which you
mistakenly thought was yours."
Long before the Starr appeared over DC, I knew that the Virgin
Birth of William Lewinski would never have taken place if there
had not been no room for burning the double-negatives in the 
Ovulate Office which told the True Story (TM) of what had taken
place in the Lincoln bedroom as a result of a sexual Jones that
the King of the Juice could not satisfy, no matter how large
a vein he punctured in women, or vice versa, with his dirty 
needle.

Upon purchasing a copy of the Wired Magazine edition which had
the Jasons of CypherSpace on the front cover, with an article
accompanying it which I did not bother to read, instinctively 
knowing that their Goal was to XOR the Net, so that after
Jesus Saves, Louis Freeh would not be able to put in the
rebound, yanking a man's parole as a result of Space Alien FUD
indicating he had participated in the VirtualNuclearBombing
of pubic buildings eleven KILLometers from MongerItaVille.
Knowing that, even though "Ignorance is no excuse." in the 'ayes'
of a Rigged Justice System, it is better to remain silent than to
speak up and remove all doubt as to one's guilt, I merely glanced
through the copy of Wired sufficiently to confirm the Marshall
Dillon theory that smoking guns doesn't kill people, the
Message kills people, or, more accurately, that the Department
of Justice people covering up the INSLAW affair killed those on
the List of Adrian Messenger, and then put the magazine away
in DeepThroatStorage until Dog, the only Horse I ever bet on
(although I have shot a lot of Horse over the years, sometimes
on the basketball court, sometimes in a seedy alley behind the
GreyHound Computer Buss Station), gave me a No Smoking Gun sign,
with the election of a Wise Man who rose from the dead three
times, as LazerAss Long (cousin of Johnny Wadd), drinking cold
HeinleinKin, playing the SexAPhone at $4.99/minute, running up
the WhiteHouse phone bill and the Federal Deficit, and making
such outstanding use of BlatantLies that his Pole rose in the
Polls at a rate that astounded even Poles named Lewinski, 
leading me to realize that, had I, like Marlo Branded, the 
Rifleman on the grassy knoll, despite my reputation as a 
traitorous, lying coward, followed my instincts and run for 
President of the United States of America, "I could'a been 
a contend'a..."

My point, if I may be so Bold (although without Italics, having
never been to Sicily) to state it plainly (without extra cheese),
is that Lucky Green is a fucking idiot...
He is such an ignorant, Robotically Programmed Sheeple, 
incapable of free, independent thought, that the only possible
way to accurately impress upon you his total devoidness (coming
soon to a dictionary near you) of hope in ever truly understanding
the concepts of True Freedom, Liberty and the Pursuit of Felony
Happiness, can be illustrated only by sharing with you the
"True Story (TM) of TruthMangler", Penguin Books, FrostBack
Division.
  'The True Story of the InterNet' when stripped of all of the
grandoise, pretentious, mystical FUD surrounding its artificial
dissemination across HyperSpace, can be summarized by quoting
"All My Lies Are True", by Carroll.
  "All my lies are true.
   And everything I do, I really am."
Believe it or not, Ripley, that's all there is... That's the
whole fucking poem. In the end, that's all there really is
to say.

Upon receiving an email from AnInterViewerToBeNamedLater, who
was named earlier, in the 'BumBoy III' chapter of Space Aliens
Hide My Drugs (which, correctly, should also have single quotes
around the title), I was quite prepared to write a short, simple
response to the question, "So what prompted you to start writing 
those missives to cypherpunks?"
As always, the fillings in my teeth convinced Reality to become
a participant in an Intervention program designed to thwart my
efforts to continue the heavy drug-use enabling me to be 'normal'
and 'saved' me from sanity by using the TV program, '60 Minutes',
to embody The Voice (TM) coming from the BurningBush, calling
for a "New World Order", reminding me that the BurningBush in
the bunker outside of Berlin was a clever ruse, later to become
a 'play on words' in a Braun Shaver advertising campaign that
referred to a 'close shave', to disguise the fact that it is
the AdamAntartic that holds the key to FrostBack Musicians
embedding hints in their music in regard to the Reptilian
Nazis biding their time, emerging from Florida puddles to
dine on the gonads of FrenchConnection Poodles, leading me to
realize that I forgot to mention how my insanity illustrates 
Lucky Green's ignorance.
(But, before I return to that subject, I should take the time
to explain that this disjointed '60 Minutes' diatribe refers
to the fact that my efforts at a 'direct reply' to D.M. Stihl's
question was interrupted by a sychronicitious eruption from
The Tube ("Watch me and I'll bleed you, 'Cause you eat the
shit I feed you") during which Leslie Stahl (not to be confused
with the chainsaw with a similar name), presented a piece called
'The Rumor Mill', in which she ignored the attempts of InterNet
Magazine's Edwin Cantor (?) to explain that the Freedom Of The
InterNet was a Healing Force capable of returning HumanKind to
a Wholistic State wherein we use our minds to discriminate 
between FUD (Fear/Uncertainty/Disinformation), MUD (Mind/
Uniformity/Disinformation) and CRUD (Conscious Realists
Using Discrimination), thereby forcing the InterNet User/
Consumer to actually Think (TM) before accepting any of
the information that is pulled, prodded or pushed into the
range of their perceptive attention...
Hang on a second, I lost my train of thought...
Oh, yeah! Anyway, Leslie Stahl, desperately attempting to
maintain the illusion that MainStream Lies piped through
the OfficialNewsStream are preferable to Non-Officially-
Recognized-Lies on J. Orlin Grabbe's 'World's 50 Greatest 
Conspiracies' website, subliminally inserted the bent logic
of the pricks in DC, using words such as Junk/Regulation/
OnLinePoliceMan(no mention of toilet plungers...go figure)/
BadInformation...
Fuck completing that train of thought! 'BadInformation' implies
that the Freedom To Choose To Believe BadInformation does not
exist, and that NetiZens, like CitiZens, are all Sheeple who
need the people from the government, who are here to help us,
to step in and regulate/legislate which BadInformation will be
magically transformed into Reality by blessing it with the
OfficalSealOfApproval.
Random Thought That MayOrMayNot Apply #27:
Question: "Who was not happy to see the Prodigal Son return?"
Answer: "The fatted calf."
My point is this: "Penned cattle have been found to gain as
much weight when fed a combination of drugs, shredded newspaper
and animal excrement, as when fed whole grains."
Therefore, it is not in the best interests of the ProfitMongers
to feed us the Truth, and, CitiZen or NetiZen, it is in our own
best interest, when we meet the Bubba on the road, to kill him.)

[Idioter's Note: Good prosecutors, recognizing the limited
 attention span of the spawn of pawns of modern civilization,
 due to being force-fed ten-second sound-bytes, and hyphenated
 words designed to evoke emotive responses rather than logical
 thought processes, would have long ago begged the Court Of
 Public Opinion for a short recess, in order to allow the
 Readers/Jurors time to grab a bite to eat, suck down a cold
 beer or two, and engage in sexual fantasies about their
 fellow jurors.
 However, the Author plans to proceed, uninterrupted, even
 though HeOrShe risks once again letting the SAHMD manuscript
 fall into semi-coherent mad ramblings, since HeOrShe realizes
 that, if the Reader has not yet learned to order Pizza, Beer,
 and AMasseuseToBeMaimedLater before undertaking the burdensome
 task of reading the True Story manuscripts, then they are most
 likely a goddamn Republican, anyway, with little hope of ever
 truly understanding a missive meant to manipulate their mind
 toward a realistic, non-discriminatory political point of view
 which can only be understood by Democrats who are willing to
 sit in the back of the bus with niggers and spics, although
 they inevitably shit their pants and jump back on the bus
 if one of those thieving fucking darkies happens to get off
 at the same stop as they do.*
 *This racist interlude is a paid advertisement, sponsered by
  Democratic Friends of the Kluless Klux Klan.
 Anyway, I have forgotten where this aside was going, but I
 just remembered I was attempting to get back to explaining
 how my derision of Lucky Green is, in reality, a veiled
 reference to my own idiocy, so I will do that...]

I was devestated when Lucky Green, wearing a Prozac T-Shirt,
while I, on the other hand, had a pocket full of Prozac, told
me, "I read 'The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre', but I didn't
understand what it was about."
I was devastated as a result of realizing that Lucky was nothing
more nor less than a mindless, robotic result of the *new*
generation of programmed, robotic Sheeple. I was devastated
because Lucky was a reminder that, despite my great pretensions
of being an anarchistic, free, individual, capable of independent
thought, I was just as guilty of unthinking automatism, with the
main difference between myself and Lucky being that the programming
I had bought into had tailfins and cruise control, instead of
point-and-click and multimedia capability.
In effect, although I considered myself some exemplary example
of the evolution of mankind (usually remembering to refer to
'humankind' to illustrate my UniSexual/NonRacist/Politically 
Correct rEvolutionAiryFairy development), I was actually a
fraud--not a TruthMonger, but a JokeMonger.

  While allowing myself the luxury of consternation over Lucky
Green being of a GenerationX which could not recognize the
prophetic warnings contained in 'The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre',
due to having been educated in an era where the 'BB/BB' tattoo
on a child's forehead, indicating that one was a BumBoy owned
by BigBrother (replacing childhood circumcision indicating that
a child was owned by the GodOfMoses), I nonetheless comforted
myself with the thought that *my* cowardly acceptance of 'the
way things are', illustrated by using my sense of ironic humor
to poke fun at things I knew to be insane, instead of taking
a firm, serious stand that ultimately results in crucifixion,
in Palestine, or to being barbequed, in Texas (see...there I 
go again), was somehow superior to the cowardice of Lucky's
generation, which gives Non-Sexual LipService to freedom,
privacy and anarchy, while preparing for an old-age where
they will undoubtedly justify their lack of total committment
to fighting the GreatEvil of their time by saying, "es, but
when the Computer was Fuhrer, the trains ran on time...until
the year 2000, of course."
I, like Lucky and the rest of the CypherPunks, told myself
that the problem was Dimitri, always trying to push Black
Unicorn's envelope, and not accepting my excuse that I wasn't 
really a cocksucker, but merely accepting of the fact that
BigBrother had a lot of mouths to feed...

[I know that I've rambled on too long to really hold the
 attention of a generation that traded in twenty-minute
 guitar solos for a Pentium processor, and really don't
 have time to wait for me to get to the point of what
 I am trying to say (despite their refusal to admit that
 the only reason they need a Pentium processor, in the
 first place, is to speed up the downloading of the ads
 on the Anti-SPAM Anarchist WebPage they are accessing,
 not to mention the mountains of excess commas contained
 in the 'True Story' manuscripts...).
 However, I need to run to the Liquor Store, giving the
 soft-drug old farts on the CPUNKS list a chance to "smoke
 'em if you got 'em," (<--correct punctuation, will wonders
 never cease?) and the young pissants on the CPUNX list a
 chance to throw on a New Crusty Nostrils CD, 'Ramblin', 
 featuring 'Green, Green', (<--incorrect punctuation)
 little realizing that the USENET post referring to the
 album as the product of a CypherPunks Action Project first
 appeared on April 1st, and that Lucky wasn't even born when
 it was recorded.
 BAD NEWS!!! - I'll be back...]





From caj at math.niu.edu  Mon Jun 29 13:35:07 1998
From: caj at math.niu.edu (Xcott Craver)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:35:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Finally... a One-Time-Pad implementation that works!!!
In-Reply-To: <199806291836.OAA02926@omniwork.com>
Message-ID: 


On Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Bryan Waters wrote:

> >TriStrata has announced that is has a product that provides OTP without the
> >pad distribution problem.  The product also has a unique key-recovery
> >system.  Check out:

	No pad distribution problem, but it has a key-recovery system,
	AND the pad is truly random?

> >http://www.tristrata.com
> >
> >for details.

	This must be a typo:  that URL doesn't contain any details.

> I wish there were more details.  Namely how they generate their 10^30 byte
> "virtual keystream".

	Which brings up one more point:  the web page mentions the
	estimated time it takes to "defeat" an encrypted message,
	via brute force.  If it really was a one-time pad, it 
	wouldn't be possible to "defeat" it by brute-force.

							-Caj





From sunder at brainlink.com  Mon Jun 29 13:58:20 1998
From: sunder at brainlink.com (Ray Arachelian)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:58:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Finally... a One-Time-Pad implementation that works!!!
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <3597FEA9.19A7D5D3@brainlink.com>


Great... more snake oil.... :( 

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> 
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../|\..| "A toast to Odin,  |away chasing the tail of dogma. I opened|.\|/.
.+.v.+.|God of screwdrivers"|my eye and there we were....            |.....
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From lreed at west.cscwc.pima.edu  Mon Jun 29 19:13:58 1998
From: lreed at west.cscwc.pima.edu (Linda Reed--PCC West Campus CSC)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 19:13:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Diana Moe Hmmm... - SPACE ALIENS HIDE MY DRUGS!!!
Message-ID: <009C871A.C38D9E40.5@west.cscwc.pima.edu>


Return Of Beyond The Planet Of The Valley Of 
Diana Moe Hmmm... - SPACE ALIENS, ETC., ETC.
____________________________________________

  No doubt there are a variety of self-impressed, elitist
CypherPunks who have grown used to my weird capitalization
of the word 'cypherpunks', as well as my excess use of
commas, and incorrect punctuation, having come to recognize 
that these things are part of my personal 'writing style'
(although few realize that, being too lazy to look up
proper spelling, and too ignorant to understand the reasons
behind 'correct' punctuation, I am merely cloaking my sloth
and stupidity under a croak of eccentric Oriental genius).
  However, there are undoubtedly a few egoistical self-proclaimed
geniuses on the CypherPunks Disturbed Male LISP who have noticed
the 'Dina' spelling of the last chapter title being out-of-sync
with the 'Diana' spelling of the current chapter title (see
above), and mentally ridiuculed me as really being the sorry
drunk I keep claiming to be, thinking that I am only dimly 
aware of the difference between my drunk&ignorant-but-honest
typos and literary mistakes, and the typos and mistakes which
I quickly recognize to have deep meaning, and are therefore
inviolate proofs of my true inner genius, in need of no
correction, even if I happen to spot the error.
  If you noticed the discrepancy mentioned above, and were
indeed mentally degrading my literary talent, while considering
yourself to be superior to me because of your ability to 
imitate a robotic computer spell-checking program, you would,
in this case, be quite correct in your assumption, since it
was really a meaninless mistake, but one I will not bother
to rectify, since I am currently both lazy and drunk.

  However, you smart-ass sons-of-bitches, it would be a serious
mistake to fail to realize that my failings in character in no
way negate my obvious intellectual superiority over all of the
pretentious fools who consider themselves part of an elite 
group of PseudoMathematicalGeniusAnarchists because of their
participation in Legendary LevelWithTheGround InterNet
Community MailingList Composed Of Subscribers Who Are Using
11% Of Their Potential BrainPower, and considering themselves
to be 'above' the other InterNet Elitists who are using only
the 'documented average' 10% of their potential brainpower,
and who, in turn, consider themselves to be superior to the 
AOL'ers who believe that their IQ is somehow related to the 
speed of their computer's processor (NOT!!!).

  The short and simple answer to the question, ""So what 
prompted you to start writing those missives to cypherpunks?"
is: "On a mailing list of elitist geniuses using only 11% of 
their potential brainpower, the person using 12% is King!"
  Thus I am able to toy with you silly fools, having little
fear of someone who uses 13% of their brainpower subscribing 
to the CypherPunks list, and putting me in my place, since a
person capable of using 13% of their brain would likely be
above joining the list in the first place...

Why I Send My Missives To The CypherPunks List #327:
   I truly recognize the past, current and future subscribers
to InterNet forums/experiences such as the CypherPunks to be
the only real hope for a world of VirtualReality to rise above
and go beyond the vicious MeatSpaceRealityCycles which are
evident throughout millennia of human history.
  Thus, I feel it incumbent upon myself, as your intellectual
superior, to impress upon you what an ignorant, silly asshole
I am...

  ou stupid fucks think I'm being silly, again, don't you?
I'm fucking serious!!!

  While I truly consider myself to be the current epitome of
human evolution to this point in time, I would, nonetheless,
upon being recognized for my great wisdom and genius and
declared King Of The World, issue a press statement advising
everyone to kill themselves, since a world under my control
would be a scary thing, indeed.
  As far as the world currently being under the control of
murderers and thieves who seem to have a lot of trouble
figuring out some of the more rudimentary things in life,
such as pulling up their fly upon entering the Offal Office,
I really prefer not to think about that, which I am sure
can be understood by voters in Boston, Chicago, ad infinitum,
who eventually figured out that the slogan, "Vote Early, Vote
Often" was not really a part of the original Constitution, as
their Ward Bosses had claimed.

The Original Peter Principle:
  Civilization and Human Behavior provide hard evidence that
Creatures From The Primordial Swamp who crawled out to become
Middle Managers in the Gene Pool did so about a billion years
ahead of schedule.

The Original Clinton Inaugural Address:
  "Most of my time, energy and money was spent on women, booze,
drugs and gambling--the rest I just wasted, eventually becoming 
Governor, and then President."

The Original Commandment:
  "Buy a fucking Clue!"


  I guess that what I am really trying to say is, "As insane
as it would be for you to vote for me as the new King Of The
World / Ruler Of All That Exists / New World Order Dictator,
etc., etc., it would be even more insane for you to *not*
vote for me if I was running against the people currently in
control of our governments and society.

Why I Send My Missives To The CypherPunks List #18:
  My only hope of being understood when I say, "I may be a
stupid fuck, but at least I'm not a stupid fuck." lies in
preaching to an audience that has the ability to understand
that ogi Berra's statement, "It's DejaVu all over again."
was nothing more nor less than A DirectMessageFromGod, 
designed to serve as the Cole's Notes To Universal Human
History From The Beginning Of Time, in a format that would
allow us to write it on a slip of paper we could tuck into
the elastic of our panties, in preparation for the FinalExam.
  True Initiates into the Mythical Circle of Eunuchs have long
understood that my obsession with peeking up women's skirts is
not the result of sexual depravity, but a highly spiritual
exercise in recognizing the difference between the masses of
Sheeple who truly benefit from the advice to wear clean
undergarments, in case they get hit by a bus, and those whose
unique, individual spark of life allows them to recognize that
they can step beyond society's strict moral programming by not
wearing any undergarments at all.

  Although I am currently up to my ass in drunken alligators,
I am still capable of remembering that my original objective
was to drain the Scotch...


And The Way This Relates To Craptographics Is:
  What is encryption, if not the epitome of the Anarchy Of  
Meaning?  
  David Byrne, Largely Suited to serve as the Talking Head
who *could* be the originator of the Voice we hear, asking
us, "Psycho Killer, Qu'est Que C'est?", if we actually owned
a radio, understood that when Bob Dylan sang, "Johnny's in 
the basement, mixing up the medicine...", it was an oblique
reference to Owsley developing a chemical technique to thwart
the MindPolice by using LSD to encrypt one's thought processes.
  The Moody Blues, recognizing that the hippie movement arose
in response to Freedom and Privacy being threatened by a
GreyHound Restroom Public Key System that could be broken by
anyone with a dime, warned us that Timothy Leary, sick, depraved
pervert that he was, was 'outside, looking in', alerting us to
the fact that 'Free Shit' was nothing more than a corporate
advertising ploy by NewAge Gurus who wanted to save the cost
of a dime while buggering us, by telling us we may have won
'Free Film For Life.'
  Phil Zimmerman, Hero Of The TellGovernmentToSitOnItAndRotate
Revolution, provided us with the tools we needed to have a
genuinely Free Shit in Pretty Good Privacy, enabling us to 
lock the door while we crapped out our pearls of wisdom, 
while the anal-retentive government agents on the other side 
of the restroom-stall door dropped their dime, upon finding
out that the cost of peeking up the public's butt had risen
exhorbantly, due to those fucking California Hippie Trouble
Makers slipping 'acid' in their email.

  The point that I probably would have made much earlier in
this chapter, were it not for the fact that I am a drunken,
inconsiderate asshole who fails to realize that *some* people
have better things to do than to waste their time wondering
where the fuck I get all of these goddamn commas, is this:
  Anarchy is our only hope...

  Surely anyone who has been paying attention to life around
them could not have failed to realize that if society elects
some bum going through the dumpster, to look for lunch, to an
official government position that designates him to be the
person responsible for removing doggie-doo from the city
streets (no salary, but all you can eat...), he soon declares
that he needs more money and a larger staff to do his job
properly, funds research indicating that dog owners are a
threat to Family Values, Apple Pie and the American Flag,
presses for Law&Order legislation adding Thirty-Five Dog
ears to the sentence of any Monger or Mongrel who is found
guilty of 'squatting' in commission of a poop, and calls for
the censorship of 'The Doggie Of Anne Frank' because of
its graphic descriptions of FIDO crapping in a secret room 
in the attic, to avoid discovery by the DoggiePoop Gestapo.
  If you think I'm being a WiseGuy, then think again, because,
if memory serves me correctly, this was the lead headline of
News Of The Weird last week, even though the original source
for the article was on page 4,385 of the New ork Times.


The first act of organized religion was to fuck up the Lord's
Prayer.
Anarchy is our only hope...

The first act of organized government was to raise taxes so
that they could give themselves a pay raise.
Anarchy is our only hope...

  It is a knee-jerk reaction to bend over to pick up the soap
when somebody drops it, but it doesn't matter *who* fucks you,
it doesn't matter *how* they fuck you, *when* they fuck you,
or *why* they fuck you...the bottom line is this: If you remain
silent, ignoring the pain and indignity, listening to the still,
small voice of the Tao, you hear the Voice of Eternity echoing
from the birth of time to the death of the ten-thousand things,
whispering what was shouted by a great ogi, upon realizing that
the BigBang was actually a FistFucking KnuckleBall headed Hell
Bent For Leather (a California company) toward the Great Void
where the sun don't shine...you hear the Tao bend over and
whisper, "It's DejaVu, all over again."
Anarchy is our only hope...

Dr. Seuss Explains Sex To Children During His Prostrate Check:
  After God created Adam, he took a bone out of Adam's side
and created Eve. The first thing Adam did was give Eve another
bone-from behind, as he wanted it to be a surprise.
  If two people exist on the face of the planet, then, as surely
as night follows day, one of them is going to get fucked.
Anarchy is our only hope...

LIFE IN HELL Goes Country:
  If you can see two assholes on a horse, without lifting its
tail, then it is a good bet that they are voting to steal your
money and your freedom.
Anarchy is our only hope...

 
  We live in a world where, in a country in which starving
children are dying by the millions, the greatest threat to
those who manage to survive a FamineInTheMidstOfPlenty is
the ArmySurplusLandmine Company's 'Democracy' model, which
is guanteed to blow the limbs off of terrorists and freedom-
fighters, men, women and children, without discrimination as
to race, creed or color, although the guarantee clearly states
that it is not the responsibility of the manufacturer to see
that it serves the purpose for which it was originally 
intended, according the color-glossy brochures distributed 
by retired armed services officers now making the BigBucks as
DC corporate whores.
  
  "The Democracy Model Landmine"
  "Our most popular item, due to the billions of dollars in
   advertising given to its name through the use of taxpayer
   money being spent by unelected entities, both within and
   outside of government circles, was built and designed by
   highly qualified engineers and technicians to 'Save The
   Life Of A Single Child.'
  "As you can see from the pie-charts below, a computer
   simulation showed that a minimum distribution of a 
   hundred units per square mile is sufficient to save
   the life of a single child, providing that the child 
   is not so unfortunate as to accidentally step on a
   landmine."

Anarchy is our only hope...

[GOVERNMENT REQUIRED NOTIFICATION:]
This chapter of 'Space Aliens Hide My Drugs'is a paid
advertisement for the Bienfait Nutly News "Anarchy Is
Our Only Hope' Christmas Special, available in boxes of 
individually-wrapped 1's and 0's (in quantities of 8, 16, 
32, 64...)  
The perfect gift for grouchy old farts who still have the 
box of Pecans you sent them last Christmas, because they 
put their dentures in their shoes, and they can't find 
their godamn shoes, and when they asked for help in a 
post to the CypherPunks list, they got a hundred anonymous 
emails from assholes telling them to, "Check the archives."
 





From cme at acm.org  Mon Jun 29 21:20:05 1998
From: cme at acm.org (Carl Ellison)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 21:20:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: change of address
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980630001829.04c56ee8@pop3.clark.net>


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I am moving from CyberCash.

Until I get the new work account set up in a month or so, please replace

cme at cybercash.com

with

cme at acm.org

Thanks,
	Carl

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+-Officer, officer, arrest that man. He's whistling a dirty song.--+





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Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:39:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Netcenter News - Volume 8 - July 1998
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From cyp at cyp.dcl.com  Mon Jun 29 22:54:58 1998
From: cyp at cyp.dcl.com (cyp at cyp.dcl.com)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 22:54:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Info on Jim Bell
Message-ID: <435jfhdhfds3dcl.com>


  Jim has been arrested again and he is in the Federal Detention Center
  at Seattle. Jim wants people to write him at:

    James Bell #26906086
    Federal Detention Center
    P.O. Box 68976
    Seattle WA 98168





From m_harlow at villingandcompany.com  Mon Jun 29 23:31:33 1998
From: m_harlow at villingandcompany.com (Matt Harlow)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 23:31:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Marketing, Advertising & PR Forum
Message-ID: <001401bda318$509c3900$58062bd1@mattharlo.qtm.net>


I recently started a mailing list for the marketing, advertising and PR
industry.  We've already got over 100 subscribers from all over the globe.
The conversation is really flowing now and we're ready to expand.  So far
we've have touched on office politics, how to's, compensation and critiques
of national campaigns, job openings and a whole lot more.  We'd love to have
you on board.

All you need to do to sign up is send an email to the address:
requests at mail.villing.net with the subject of:
	SUBSCRIBE DIGEST MATT to receive the a daily digest or
	SUBSCRIBE MATT to receive individual emails

Also, please do me a favor and copy me at M_harlow at villingandcompany.com if
you sign up.  That way I know to add your name to the roster.

Hope to see you at the forum!  We're getting some great exchanges and I'd
love to get you in on them.

Feel free to pass this message on to anyone you feel might be interested in
the group.

Sincerely,
Matt Harlow

P.S. If you're already signed up or if I've recruited you before, Sorry!
It's tough to recruit for a project like this and sometimes I get a name
twice in my efforts not to miss anyone.

Matt Harlow
Account Executive
Villing and Company
3900 Edison Lakes Parkway, Suite 100
Mishawaka, Indiana 46545
Work: Email: m_harlow at villingandcompany.com, Phone: 219-277-0215, Fax:
219-277-5513
Home: Email: mattharlo at qtm.net, Phone: 616-683-2599, Fax: 616-684-4765








From specialnews4u at usa.net  Tue Jun 30 01:16:36 1998
From: specialnews4u at usa.net (specialnews4u at usa.net)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 01:16:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: PERSONAL NOTICE
Message-ID: <199806300816.BAA27797@toad.com>


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From gcg at ibm.net  Mon Jun 29 10:17:17 1998
From: gcg at ibm.net (Geoffrey C. Grabow)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 01:17:17 +0800
Subject: Finally... a One-Time-Pad implementation that works!!!
Message-ID: 



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From CTIA_Daily_News at tour.unitymail.com  Tue Jun 30 10:07:23 1998
From: CTIA_Daily_News at tour.unitymail.com (CTIA Daily News)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 10:07:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: CTIA Daily News from WOW-COM - June 30, 1998
Message-ID: <199806301704.MAA30266@revnet4.revnet.com>



=============================================
Welcome to today's edition of the CTIA Daily News
from WOW-COM.  Please click on the icon / attachment
for the most important news in wireless communications today.
=============================================



From billp at nmol.com  Tue Jun 30 11:52:45 1998
From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:52:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Settlement help, please
Message-ID: <359932F0.2232@nmol.com>

Senators

Please help get this mess settled.

Thanks
bill


Tuesday  6/30/98 12:03 PM

Mr. Thomas J. Schlageter, Assistant  Legal Counsel
Advice and External Litigation Division
Office of Legal Counsel
1801 L. Street, Northwest, Room 6034
Washington, D.C. 20507

Dear Mr. Schlageter: 

Purposes of this letter are to

1  seek administrative remedy of a release of false and defaming information on myself  which violated Privacy 
Act.   Charles Burtner and Larry Trujillo of the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission's (EEOC)  
Phoenix District Office unlawfully released the information.

2  Exhaust administrative remedies if we are not able to settle this matter.

3  Request information under the Freedom of Information and Privacy Acts.

On June 29 I received at letter from

Aletha L. Brown 
Inspector General
U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission
POB 18858
Washington, D.C. 20036-8858
202-663-4375
800-849-4230

dated June 25, 1998, OIG Control Number 981770 which said

  This is to acknowledge receipt for your letter dated May 15, 1998, requesting Freedom of Information Act     
  (FOIA) and Privacy Act information.  I apologize for the delay in responding to your request.

  Your complaint regarding alleged Privacy Act violation and FOIA request was forwarded to the Office of
  Legal Counsel on May 27, 1998.  With regards to these matters, please contact:

	Mr. Thomas J. Schlageter, Assistant
	   Legal Counsel
	Advice and External Litigation Division
	Office of Legal Counsel
	1801 L. Street, Northwest, Room 6034
  	Washington, D,C, 20507

  Mr. Payne, the OIG plans no investigative action regarding this matter.  Thank you for contacting
  this office.

  Sincerely
 
  [signature]

  Aletha L. Brown
  Inspector General

  Attachment

Attachment reads

  U.S. EQUAL EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY COMMISSION
		 Washington, D.C 20507

         		      May 27, 1998

  MEMORANDUM

  TO:   Mr. Thomas J. Schlageter, Assistant Legal Counsel
           Advice and External Litigation Division
	
               [signature]
  FROM  Joyce T. Willoughby, Counsel
               Office of the Inspector General

  SUBJECT:  Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) Request of William Payne

  Attached is a Freedom of Information (FOIA) request from William Payne, which
  was received by the Office of the Inspector General (OIG) on May 20, 1998.  In an
  effort to respond to this request, attached are copies of the OIG case file concerning Mr. Payne, 
  the Inspector General Act of 1978, as amended, and excerpts from the OIG Investigative Manual
  and Deskbook.

  If you have any question concerning this memorandum or need additional information you may
  contact me at Extension 4397.

  Attachments

While I hope we are able to settle the civil aspects of this unfortunate release of false and
defaming information on me, I must anticipate, however, that I will have to seek judicial
review.

Therefore, under 5 USC 552, the Freedom of Information Act, and 5 USC 552a, the Privacy Act, I request 
access to copies

1  All documents describing YOUR efforts to properly investigate and settle this unlawful release of false and 
defaming information about me.

2  All WRITTEN documents, including phone call message notes or another notes, containing the name of 
William Payne, Bill Payne, etc. made between 3/18/98 and 6/30/98 by your or your staff.

If all or any part of this request is denied, please cite the specific exemption(s) which you think justifies your 
refusal to release the information and inform me of your agency's administrative appeal procedures available to 
me under the law.

I would appreciate your handling this request as quickly as possible, and I look forward to hearing from you 
within 20 working days, as the law stipulates.

This letter resembles one I sent to Ms. Varygas of your office on 6/29.  I append the Varyas letter to
this letter for your information.

Mr. Schlageter,  I hope this unfortunate matter can be resolved at the administrative
level at EEOC.  And I ask your help.

Sincerely,



William H. Payne
13015 Calle de Sandias NE
Albuquerque, NM 87111
505 292 7037 <- I am not reading e-mail

Distribution
Tom Spellman
Aletha L. Brown 
Senate Judiciary Committee http://www.senate.gov/committee/judiciary.html

Republicans

Orrin G. Hatch, Utah, Chairman   senator_hatch at Hatch.senate.gov
Strom Thurmond, South Carolina   senator at thurmond.senate.gov
Charles E. Grassley, Iowa   chuck_grassley at grassley.senate.gov
Arlen Specter, Pennsylvania   senator_specter at specter.senate.gov
Fred Thompson, Tennessee   senator_thompson at thompson.senate.gov
Jon Kyl, Arizona   info at kyl.senate.gov
Mike DeWine, Ohio   senator_dewine at dewine.senate.gov
John Ashcroft, Missouri   john_ashcroft at ashcroft.senate.gov
Spencer Abraham, Michigan   michigan at abraham.senate.gov
Jeff Sessions, Alabama

Democrats

Patrick J. Leahy, Vermont   senator_leahy at leahy.senate.gov
Edward M. Kennedy, Massachusetts   senator at kennedy.senate.gov
Joseph R.Biden, Jr., Delaware   senator at biden.senate.gov
Herb Kohl, Wisconsin   senator_kohl at kohl.senate.gov
Dianne Feinstein, California   senator at feinstein.senate.gov
Russell D. Feingold, Wisconsin   russell_feingold at feingold.senate.gov
Richard Durbin, Illinois   dick at durbin.senate.gov
Robert Torricelli, New Jersey   senator at torricelli.senate.gov

/\/\/\
append
-----
Monday 6/29/98 11:59 AM

Ms. Ellen J. Varygas, Legal Counsel
Office of Legal Counsel
1801 L. Street, Northwest, Room 6002
Washington, DC 20507
(202) 663-4637

Dear Ms. Varygas:

Purposes of this letter are to

1  seek administrative remedy of a release of false and defaming information on myself  which violated Privacy 
Act.   Charles Burtner and Larry Trujillo of the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission's (EEOC)  
Phoenix District Office unlawfully released the information.

2  Exhaust administrative remedies if we are not able to settle this matter.

3  Request information under the Freedom of Information and Privacy Acts.

Aletha L. Brown 
Inspector General
U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission
POB 18858
Washington, D.C. 20036-8858
202-663-4375
800-849-4230

wrote me on May 7 1998 

  The Office of Inspector General (OIG) is empowered to investigate matters of fraud, waste
  and abuse which may be attendant to EEOC programs and operations.  We do not have
  programmatic responsibilities and are not involved in the administration and resolution
  of Privacy Act violations.

  Based upon our review of the information provided, we have determined that this matter,
  although important, is outside of OIG's purview and therefore does not warrant any  investigative action by   
  this office.  In regards to this issue contact:

	Ms. Ellen J. Varygas, Legal Counsel
  	Office of Legal Counsel
	1801 L. Street, Northwest, Room 6002
     	Washington, DC 20507
	(202) 663-4637

  Mr. Payne, I hope this information is helpful to you but regret that I can not provide the   remedy you seek.  

  Thank you for contacting the Office of the Inspector General.

  Sincerely,

  Aletha L. Brown
  Inspector General

June 16, 1998 A Jacy Thurmond, Jr, Assistant Legal Counsel/FOIA sent me some information
I requested on possible administrative remedy of the matter under a  FOIA/PA request.  My request was 
mailed Friday 5/15/98.

While I hope we are able to settle the civil aspects of this unfortunate release of false and
defaming information on me, I must anticipate, however, that I will have to seek judicial
review.

Therefore, under 5 USC 552, the Freedom of Information Act, and 5 USC 552a, the Privacy Act, I request 
access to copies

1  All documents describing YOUR efforts to properly investigate and settle this unlawful release of false and 
defaming information about me.

2  All WRITTEN documents, including phone call message notes or another notes, containing the name of 
William Payne, Bill Payne, etc. made between 3/18/98 and 6/29/98 by your or your staff.


If all or any part of this request is denied, please cite the specific exemption(s) which you think justifies your 
refusal to release the information and inform me of your agency's administrative appeal procedures available to 
me under the law.

I would appreciate your handling this request as quickly as possible, and I look forward to hearing from you 
within 20 working days, as the law stipulates.

Details of the release of information can be found on Internet starting most recently with

      Payne v. NSA: US on Classified NSA Declaration    June 27, 1998
      Payne v. NSA: US Motion on FOIA for NSA Algos     June 27, 1998

at http://www.jya.com/usa062698.htm

Ms Varygas,  I hope this unfortunate matter can be resolved at the administrative
level at EEOC.  And I ask your help.

Sincerely,



William H. Payne
13015 Calle de Sandias NE
Albuquerque, NM 87111
505 292 7037 <- I am not reading e-mail

Distribution
Tom Spellman
Aletha L. Brown 
Senate Judiciary Committee http://www.senate.gov/committee/judiciary.html

Republicans

Orrin G. Hatch, Utah, Chairman   senator_hatch at Hatch.senate.gov
Strom Thurmond, South Carolina   senator at thurmond.senate.gov
Charles E. Grassley, Iowa   chuck_grassley at grassley.senate.gov
Arlen Specter, Pennsylvania   senator_specter at specter.senate.gov
Fred Thompson, Tennessee   senator_thompson at thompson.senate.gov
Jon Kyl, Arizona   info at kyl.senate.gov
Mike DeWine, Ohio   senator_dewine at dewine.senate.gov
John Ashcroft, Missouri   john_ashcroft at ashcroft.senate.gov
Spencer Abraham, Michigan   michigan at abraham.senate.gov
Jeff Sessions, Alabama

Democrats

Patrick J. Leahy, Vermont   senator_leahy at leahy.senate.gov
Edward M. Kennedy, Massachusetts   senator at kennedy.senate.gov
Joseph R.Biden, Jr., Delaware   senator at biden.senate.gov
Herb Kohl, Wisconsin   senator_kohl at kohl.senate.gov
Dianne Feinstein, California   senator at feinstein.senate.gov
Russell D. Feingold, Wisconsin   russell_feingold at feingold.senate.gov
Richard Durbin, Illinois   dick at durbin.senate.gov
Robert Torricelli, New Jersey   senator at torricelli.senate.gov




6







From billp at nmol.com  Tue Jun 30 11:59:47 1998
From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:59:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: NSA and crypto algorithms
Message-ID: <359934DE.1B4@nmol.com>


It is EASY to make mistakes when designing crypto algorithms.

SECRECY works against NSA in that their work doesn't get 
proper evaluation by HOSTILE referees.  Like
http://www.jya.com/skipjack-bs2.htm

NSA does have good experiences at fielding crypto devices.

My suprise at gaining access to NSA crypto algorithms was how
simple they were.







From agamble at alloytech.com  Tue Jun 30 12:46:36 1998
From: agamble at alloytech.com (Alan Gamble)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 12:46:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Metal Suppliers Online Newsletter
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980630144255.009e7180@mail.alloytech.com>


June 30, 1998

Metal Suppliers Online (MSO) Summer Newsletter

Hello from rainy New Hampshire! Its been a great year here at MSO and I
wanted to get this newsletter out  to remind you about Metal Suppliers
Online (www.suppliersonline.com) and bring you up to date with site
improvements. We now have over 12,000 worldwide users (!) .

RECENT IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDE:

Metal Supplier Data - We continue to grow, with the searchable inventory of
2700 Worldwide Distributors, Producing Mills and Forging Shops.

Material Property Data - We now property data  on 17,000 ferrous &
non-ferrous materials.


UP-COMING IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDE:

Specification Cross Reference Utilities - Cross reference any ASTM, ASME,
AMS, QQ, MIL and selected company specifications.

Physical Property Data - CTE, Densities, Conductivity, Resistivity & more.

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From billp at nmol.com  Tue Jun 30 14:46:45 1998
From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 14:46:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Judge Campos letter
Message-ID: <35995BF1.156C@nmol.com>


Tuesday 6/30/98 3:20 PM

John Young

Nice to talk to you.

I see

 Payne v. NSA: Response to Motion to Remand FOIA   June 30, 1998

at http://www.jya.com/whp063098.htm

I opened judge Campos' letter at the fax.  I handed it to the nice
lady.

I wrote your fax number on the envelope.

Then went to Page One Two to look at used VW repair manuals.

Page One Two specializes in used books and CDs.

I am REALLY CURIOUS about what Campos wrote.  Especially on a
Tuesday.  But not curious enough to read the letter now.

Lawyers always plan to have their hate letters arrive on a weekend
or, just before a vacation.  Christmas is a lawyer favorite.

I ordered a engine rebuild gasket set, rod and main bearings, engine
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My '82 rabbit is about guaranteed to fail emissions test this fall.

I ordered today from J C Whitney because the price for the $99.95
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I will do the rebuilt in the fall.  

I phoned a member of Albuquerque�s underground economy last night.
He will do the labor on the head for $60.  Cash, of course.

I must now ABSOLUTE CERTAINLY complete the digital FX IMMEDIATELY.  
To make some money.

Litigation is more of a long term financial project.  Like Morales and I
have been working on this project for SIX YEARS.

Hopefully this mess will be settled so that I can devote time to another
of my specialties.  Rebuilding Big Block Ford and VW water cooled
engines.  And writing MORE books too.  

Perhaps even write a law book. On pro se litigation.  With Morales, of
course.  But this can be a point for settlement negotiation, of course.  

Later
bill

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From dformosa at cit.nepean.uws.edu.au  Tue Jun 30 21:36:32 1998
From: dformosa at cit.nepean.uws.edu.au (? the Platypus {aka David Formosa})
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 21:36:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: NSA and crypto algorithms
In-Reply-To: <359934DE.1B4@nmol.com>
Message-ID: 


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On Tue, 30 Jun 1998, bill payne wrote:

> It is EASY to make mistakes when designing crypto algorithms.

[...]

> My suprise at gaining access to NSA crypto algorithms was how
> simple they were.

The second stament follows logicly from the first.  Simple algorithums are
easyer to analise for mistates.


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From jim.burnes at ssds.com  Tue Jun 30 17:34:32 1998
From: jim.burnes at ssds.com (Jim Burnes)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 1998 08:34:32 +0800
Subject: saving the world from a cancerous monopoly (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <199806302318.SAA15079@einstein.ssz.com>
Message-ID: <3599832A.4D0E49E3@ssds.com>



Jim Choate wrote:
> 
> 
mjg says:
> 
> > Yes, I've thought of that too. That is the place to start, but I think
> > the federal government is too strong -- eventually the states will hit a
> > stand-off and the succession issue arises again. Feds won't go down
> > without a fight.
> 
> That's actualy an easy one. All it would take is a govenor to declare that
> citizens of his state are not going to submit to annual taxation. I
> guarantee that things will move quickly. Since the National Guard requires
> the ok of the govenor for the feds to invoke that is pretty much a moot
> point. It's clearly unconstitutional to involve the Army, especialy if it is
> made clear the National Guard will be there at the border to stop them. As
> to the FBI and such, have the Sherrif in each county and he state police
> proceed to arrest any such persons who attempt to invoke their federal
> authority.
> 

Since the National Guard is an extension of the Army and was created
through the federal authority of raising armies it is not 
necessary for the Governor of any state to be consulted before it
is given its orders.  So says the Supreme Court several years ago.

The all happened when Dukakis challenged George Bush's power to
mobilize his National Guard during the Persian Gulf war.
(operation Just 'Cuz).  Dukakis was pissed (thinking he lived
in the old US) and challenged the whole thing.  He lost.
He mistook the state militia for the National Guard.

As far as the unconstitutionality of the Army doing anything,
thats history -- all they have to do is invoke the Drug laws
and the constitution is null and void.  In any case, the National
Guard is the Army (for all practical purposes).

As far as arresting federal authorities goes, there aren't
enough sherrifs lying around to stop even FBI agents, much less
the National Guard. (state police included)

Where were the sheriffs when the BATF broke assuaulted
the Branch Davidian church?  The answer is: helping them...



> 
> Speaking of brain-washed....
> 
> They didn't fear democracy, they feared an authoritarian central government
> without the states exercising their authority to stop it via the 10th. They
> felt that democracy was the only way to deal with this sort of excess.
> 
>In short, they celebrated democracy.

Actually they feared an excess of both.  Tryanny of the king and
tyranny of the masses -- mobocracy.  That is why the Senators
were appointed by the states and not elected by the people.  It
was an effort to allow states to control their interests instead
of everthing being determined by congress.  This is known as
a balance of power.

jim