From giannese at ggf.org Fri Mar 4 09:58:01 2005 From: giannese at ggf.org (Stacey Giannese) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 09:58:01 -0600 Subject: Standards Council F2F at GGF13 Message-ID: <000101c520d2$f2647ce0$8712dd8c@ggfgiannese> Dear All, It was decided on the Tuesday, March 1 GFSG call that all Council Face-to-face meetings would be best held mid-day on Sunday. Sunday's schedule would look similar to below: 9a -12p - GFSG F2F 12p-2p - Standard Council F2F (working lunch) 2:00p - GFSG re-adjourn with 30 minute council gives a status update (in addition to other GFSG business). This being said, please let me know if you will be available mid-day Sunday (I want to be sure the majority of the council members have arrived by that time). Discussion topics for the Standard Council mid-day meeting will include: 1) Welcome, Call for AOB and Agenda Bashing (Dave) 2) Progress of objectives (all) - Liaison Activity: Update for Hiro, plus planning - Standards Roadmap: Plan the strategy - OGSA Publication Schedule: Status check - Key Specifications Schedule (see list below) 3) AOB (who ever) 4) Action Review (Stacey) List of expected specs in 2005. ADs please check with the chairs before the meeting next Sunday so that we have a good indication of what progress we can expect in 2005: DIAS JSDL GSM GridFTP2 OGSA AuthZ RNS WS-Agreement InfoD SAGA OGSA-Jobs If it is determined that additional meeting time is required, I will seek out additional meeting space on-site for later in the week. In the meantime, your advance comments, thoughts, ideas, etc., on the issues above in preparation for our meeting are welcome. I will not be in attendance at GGF13 (my apologies) so can someone volunteer to be the note taker for this meeting? Please let me know if you are willing to volunteer. Thank you, Stacey Giannese Manager of Standard Activities Global Grid Forum (Phone) 630-252-6444 (Cell) 708-935-2951 (Fax) 630-252-4466 From john.tollefsrud at sun.com Mon Mar 7 10:41:55 2005 From: john.tollefsrud at sun.com (John Tollefsrud) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 08:41:55 -0800 Subject: Standards Council F2F at GGF13 In-Reply-To: <000101c520d2$f2647ce0$8712dd8c@ggfgiannese> Message-ID: Out of respect to the process and to minimize confusion in the community I suggest we not have formal "council" meetings until after we transition to the new structure. Alternatives like "GFSG Standards Subgroup" should adequately identify the groups meanwhile. Thanks - jt > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-stcouncil at ggf.org [mailto:owner-stcouncil at ggf.org]On Behalf > Of Stacey Giannese > Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 7:58 AM > To: stcouncil at ggf.org > Cc: 'Stacey Giannese'; 'Dave Snelling' > Subject: Standards Council F2F at GGF13 > Importance: High > > > Dear All, > It was decided on the Tuesday, March 1 GFSG call that all Council > Face-to-face meetings would be best held mid-day on Sunday. > > Sunday's schedule would look similar to below: > 9a -12p - GFSG F2F > 12p-2p - Standard Council F2F (working lunch) > 2:00p - GFSG re-adjourn with 30 minute council gives a status update (in > addition to other GFSG business). > > This being said, please let me know if you will be available > mid-day Sunday > (I want to be sure the majority of the council members have > arrived by that > time). > > Discussion topics for the Standard Council mid-day meeting will include: > 1) Welcome, Call for AOB and Agenda Bashing (Dave) > > 2) Progress of objectives (all) > - Liaison Activity: Update for Hiro, plus planning > - Standards Roadmap: Plan the strategy > - OGSA Publication Schedule: Status check > - Key Specifications Schedule (see list below) > > 3) AOB (who ever) > > 4) Action Review (Stacey) > List of expected specs in 2005. ADs please check with the chairs > before the > meeting next Sunday so that we have a good indication of what progress we > can expect in 2005: > > DIAS > JSDL > GSM > GridFTP2 > OGSA AuthZ > RNS > WS-Agreement > InfoD > SAGA > OGSA-Jobs > > If it is determined that additional meeting time is required, I will seek > out additional meeting space on-site for later in the week. In the > meantime, your advance comments, thoughts, ideas, etc., on the > issues above > in preparation for our meeting are welcome. > > I will not be in attendance at GGF13 (my apologies) so can > someone volunteer > to be the note taker for this meeting? Please let me know if you > are willing > to volunteer. > > Thank you, > > Stacey Giannese > Manager of Standard Activities > Global Grid Forum > (Phone) 630-252-6444 > (Cell) 708-935-2951 > (Fax) 630-252-4466 > > From giannese at ggf.org Mon Mar 7 11:30:08 2005 From: giannese at ggf.org (Stacey Giannese) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 11:30:08 -0600 Subject: FW: Standards Council F2F at GGF13 Message-ID: <000201c5233b$4f59b950$8212dd8c@ggfgiannese> All- I have only heard from 6 out of the 13 members of the standards council. If you have not responded to me about your attendance for our Standards Council meeting on Sunday, March 13 please do so ASAP as we have to make arrangements for a room and lunch. Thank you, Stacey Giannese Manager of Standard Activities Global Grid Forum (Phone) 630-252-6444 (Cell) 708-935-2951 (Fax) 630-252-4466 -----Original Message----- From: Stacey Giannese [mailto:giannese at ggf.org] Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 9:58 AM To: 'stcouncil at ggf.org' Cc: 'Stacey Giannese'; 'Dave Snelling' Subject: Standards Council F2F at GGF13 Importance: High Dear All, It was decided on the Tuesday, March 1 GFSG call that all Council Face-to-face meetings would be best held mid-day on Sunday. Sunday's schedule would look similar to below: 9a -12p - GFSG F2F 12p-2p - Standard Council F2F (working lunch) 2:00p - GFSG re-adjourn with 30 minute council gives a status update (in addition to other GFSG business). This being said, please let me know if you will be available mid-day Sunday (I want to be sure the majority of the council members have arrived by that time). Discussion topics for the Standard Council mid-day meeting will include: 1) Welcome, Call for AOB and Agenda Bashing (Dave) 2) Progress of objectives (all) - Liaison Activity: Update for Hiro, plus planning - Standards Roadmap: Plan the strategy - OGSA Publication Schedule: Status check - Key Specifications Schedule (see list below) 3) AOB (who ever) 4) Action Review (Stacey) List of expected specs in 2005. ADs please check with the chairs before the meeting next Sunday so that we have a good indication of what progress we can expect in 2005: DIAS JSDL GSM GridFTP2 OGSA AuthZ RNS WS-Agreement InfoD SAGA OGSA-Jobs If it is determined that additional meeting time is required, I will seek out additional meeting space on-site for later in the week. In the meantime, your advance comments, thoughts, ideas, etc., on the issues above in preparation for our meeting are welcome. I will not be in attendance at GGF13 (my apologies) so can someone volunteer to be the note taker for this meeting? Please let me know if you are willing to volunteer. Thank you, Stacey Giannese Manager of Standard Activities Global Grid Forum (Phone) 630-252-6444 (Cell) 708-935-2951 (Fax) 630-252-4466 From martinde at us.ibm.com Wed Mar 9 17:46:48 2005 From: martinde at us.ibm.com (David E Martin) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 17:46:48 -0600 Subject: FW: Standards Council F2F at GGF13 In-Reply-To: <000201c5233b$4f59b950$8212dd8c@ggfgiannese> Message-ID: I will be there all day Sunday. -David "Stacey Giannese" Sent by: owner-stcouncil at ggf.org 03/07/2005 11:30 AM To cc Subject FW: Standards Council F2F at GGF13 All- I have only heard from 6 out of the 13 members of the standards council. If you have not responded to me about your attendance for our Standards Council meeting on Sunday, March 13 please do so ASAP as we have to make arrangements for a room and lunch. Thank you, Stacey Giannese Manager of Standard Activities Global Grid Forum (Phone) 630-252-6444 (Cell) 708-935-2951 (Fax) 630-252-4466 -----Original Message----- From: Stacey Giannese [mailto:giannese at ggf.org] Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 9:58 AM To: 'stcouncil at ggf.org' Cc: 'Stacey Giannese'; 'Dave Snelling' Subject: Standards Council F2F at GGF13 Importance: High Dear All, It was decided on the Tuesday, March 1 GFSG call that all Council Face-to-face meetings would be best held mid-day on Sunday. Sunday's schedule would look similar to below: 9a -12p - GFSG F2F 12p-2p - Standard Council F2F (working lunch) 2:00p - GFSG re-adjourn with 30 minute council gives a status update (in addition to other GFSG business). This being said, please let me know if you will be available mid-day Sunday (I want to be sure the majority of the council members have arrived by that time). Discussion topics for the Standard Council mid-day meeting will include: 1) Welcome, Call for AOB and Agenda Bashing (Dave) 2) Progress of objectives (all) - Liaison Activity: Update for Hiro, plus planning - Standards Roadmap: Plan the strategy - OGSA Publication Schedule: Status check - Key Specifications Schedule (see list below) 3) AOB (who ever) 4) Action Review (Stacey) List of expected specs in 2005. ADs please check with the chairs before the meeting next Sunday so that we have a good indication of what progress we can expect in 2005: DIAS JSDL GSM GridFTP2 OGSA AuthZ RNS WS-Agreement InfoD SAGA OGSA-Jobs If it is determined that additional meeting time is required, I will seek out additional meeting space on-site for later in the week. In the meantime, your advance comments, thoughts, ideas, etc., on the issues above in preparation for our meeting are welcome. I will not be in attendance at GGF13 (my apologies) so can someone volunteer to be the note taker for this meeting? Please let me know if you are willing to volunteer. Thank you, Stacey Giannese Manager of Standard Activities Global Grid Forum (Phone) 630-252-6444 (Cell) 708-935-2951 (Fax) 630-252-4466 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/stcouncil/attachments/20050309/e1c62822/attachment.html From dane at fnal.gov Thu Mar 24 18:18:47 2005 From: dane at fnal.gov (dane at fnal.gov) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:18:47 -0600 (CST) Subject: Summary of WS-I phonecon Message-ID: Attendees: Hiro Kisimoto, Dane, Mike DeNicola (WS-I Liaison Chair), Michael Weiner (WS-I Liaison to GGF) (joined about 3/4 way through conversation). We discussed at some length what would be the benefits of GGF joining WS-I as an associate member. The main benefits of the membership process that WS-I sees is that (like their industrial members), the staff of the standards organization which participate in WS-I would be bound by their IPR. The main benefit to GGF is that GGF staff would get access to prerelease versions of the WS-I standards products (profiles and test suites) and the ability to participate in the development of the WS-I products. The WS-I IPR policy is intended to say that work products developed in WS-I and published by WS-I are covered by the WS-I IPR and that use that members make of information they have access to via their membership in WS-I to develop their own specs and publish themselves is covered by that member's IPR (and not the WS-I one). I'm not sure that's a logically (or legally) consistent definition, but it was described as their intent. This was the question we were seeking our own legal counsel on. In my opinion, we should not taint the IPR of our own products by a WS-I membership connection, but if the spirit of the WS-I policy is born out by a competent legal reading, then I would be fine with that. Mike DeNicola pointed out that GGF members who were employees of WS-I member organizations could already participate in WS-I through their employeers connection. I pointed out that approximately half of our membership and leadership come from academic institutions which tend not to be members of WS-I (or other standards organizations). We see the main benefit to both organizations of a more formal collaboration as being the expansion of participation capabilities to cover more of our leadership than is currently allowed. We discussed the fact that GGF (like WS-I it turns out) is largely a volunteer organization with very few (none in their case) paid employees of the organization and that our "staff" were the GGF officers down to the level of group chairs. I mentioned that we had formalized this in the GGF, Inc sufficiently clearly to purchase liability coverage for our officers. We requested that they consider that definition of "staff" for purposes of our membership. I committed to writing this out clearly for them to present to their leadership on April 1. (Steve, can you help here ? My recollection was in the end, GGF, Inc just purchased an insurance policy naming the positions in GGF. Did we formally name the positions as officers of GGF, Inc or some other formal connection ?) It turns out W3C has a similar problem with joining WS-I. They wish to create an MOU as a peer organization and not "join" per se and to have full reciprocity of participation to all members. Their legal council and leadership have a real reluctance to abandon their membership model and start from scratch on an MOU. It is my personal opinion that we should not hold out for full reciprocity nor insist on a peering level MOU, but that unless we can obtain agreement that allows for GGF member participation in WS-I at least to the level of group chairs, we should not join WS-I. I see the political gain as insufficient without that technical gain. I would ask for some time at the next phonecon to discuss this and Hiro has agreed to lead the discussion and summarize to Mike and Michael in time for their discussion with the WS-I leadership on April 1. (Perhaps Olle will do the summary as a first act as new WS-I liaison, if that's agreeable to both he and Hiro). We did not discuss the reverse (WS-I joining GGF as a sponsor -- paid or unpaid). Regards, Dane