[SAGA-RG] [global-custreqs] Groups - OASIS: 6 New Committees Standardizing SCA for SOA (SCA OASIS - 6 SOA TCs .pdf) uploaded

[Andre Merzky]

Hi Craig, 

thanks for the deep links!  The SCA-C-C++ does indeed sound
intriguing!  At the moment my guess is that it would provide
a generic way to create C/C++ accessors (stubs) for the
OASIS middleware standards stack.  So, in some sense its
like a generic SAGA for OASIS.  Interesting for us is that
SAGA does, at the moment, has _no_ generic elements - we
prescribe all semantic parts of the API as well.  At some
point we will need a generic part, and should look at the
outcome of the SCA-C-C++ effort.

IIUC, it requires at least a yearly $300 fee to actively
participate in the group (as individual member).  Is anybody
on this list already OASIS member, or affiliated with an
OASIS member organization/company?

Swift: at a first glance, it looks not that different from
other grid enabled workflow environments, although targeting
on more scalable problems.  I'm not sure if I missed their
point though, will have to dig through their docs more
thoroughly :-)

SAGA / JSR:  Gregor was the one proposing and driving that
project, and I assume he still has interest in that.  But,
AFAIK, he has very tough time constraints :-(  So I assume
that is on hold until someone else who is comfortable with
Java and the JSR process steps up to support that effort.

Cheers, Andre.


Quoting [Craig Lee] (Sep 12 2007):
> To: Andre Merzky <andre at merzky.net>
> From: Craig Lee <craig at rush.aero.org>
> Subject: Re: [global-custreqs] Groups - OASIS: 6 New Committees
> 	Standardizing SCA for SOA (SCA OASIS - 6 SOA TCs .pdf) uploaded
> Cc: msc at ogf.org, saga-rg at ogf.org
> 
> 
> Andre,
> 
> That document is actually just the OASIS press release which
> is also available at:
> 
> http://www.oasis-open.org/news/oasis-news-2007-08-09.php
> 
> There's a little bit more info at:
> 
> http://xml.coverpages.org/ni2007-07-06-a.html#SCA-C
> 
> But if you drill down to:
> 
> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/documents.php?wg_abbrev=sca-c-cpp
> 
> there are still no documents -- perhaps not yet.  The charter for
> the C-C++ group has some more info:
> 
> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/sca-c-cpp/charter.php
> 
> but still not specific information.
> 
> 
> On another topic, what do you SAGA-noids think about Swift?
> http://www.ci.uchicago.edu/swift
> 
> On a third topic, is the SAGA group still thinking about sending the Java 
> binding
> through the JSR process?
> 
> --Craig
> 
> 
> At 06:26 PM 9/10/2007, Andre Merzky wrote:
> >The document area seems to be passwd protected - do you know
> >if the document publicly is available somewhere?  I have to
> >admint that I would need to read into it to understand what
> >that agglomeration of acronyms really implies :-)
> >
> >Thanks, Andre.
> >
> >
> >Quoting [Craig Lee] (Sep 10 2007):
> >> To: msc at ogf.org, saga-rg at ogf.org
> >> From: Craig Lee <craig at rush.aero.org>
> >> Subject: [SAGA-RG] Fwd: [global-custreqs] Groups - OASIS: 6 New 
> >Committees
> >>       Standardizing SCA for SOA (SCA OASIS - 6 SOA TCs .pdf) uploaded
> >>
> >>
> >> All,
> >>
> >> The OSOA work (www.osoa.org) is now being sent through the OASIS
> >> standardization process.
> >> The OSOA approach is SCA (Service Component Architecture) and SDO 
> >(Service
> >> Data Objects)
> >> which seems to me like it makes services and data independently 
> >manageable,
> >> a la WSRF.
> >> WRT framework, policy, bindings, I wonder how much they are reinventing?
> >> WRT the C/C++/Java use in SCA domains, I wonder how much SAGA could do 
> >this
> >> right now?
> >>
> >> --Craig
> >>
> >>
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> >> >From: "Steve Russell" <Steve.Russell at l-3com.com>
> >> >Subject: [global-custreqs] Groups - OASIS: 6 New Committees 
> >Standardizing
> >> >SCA  for SOA  (SCA OASIS - 6 SOA TCs .pdf) uploaded
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> >> >Six OASIS Technical Committees formed for developing NIF-like Service
> >> >components, specifications, and developer guidance.
> >> >
> >> >  -- Steve Russell
> >> >
> >> >The document named OASIS: 6 New Committees Standardizing SCA  for 
> >SOA  (SCA
> >> >OASIS - 6 SOA TCs .pdf) has been submitted by Steve Russell to the
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> >> >
> >> >Document Description:
> >> >OASIS, the international open standards consortium, has formed 6 new
> >> >technical committees to simplify SOA application development by 
> >advancing
> >> >the Service Component Architecture (SCA) family of specifications. The
> >> >work will be organized within the OASIS Open Composite Services
> >> >Architecture (Open CSA) Member Section, and the resulting specifications
> >> >will be offered for implementation on a royalty-free basis. The six new
> >> >Technical Committees (TCs) and their roles are:
> >> >
> >> >1. SCA-Assembly: define core framework.
> >> >2. SCA-Policy: define policy framework and specific policies.
> >> >3. SCA-Bindings: define bindings for SCA services and technologies.
> >> >4. SCA-BPEL: define how to write SCA component implementations.
> >> >5. SCA-C-C++: develop specs that standardize C and C++ use in SCA.
> >> >6. SCA-J: develop specs that standardize Java use in an SCA domain.
> >> >
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