[saga-rg] Design Team meeting plans..

[Andre Merzky]

Quoting [Craig Lee] (Nov 18 2004):
> 
> All,
> 
> A draft agenda will be essential.  We can bash it when we get 
> started.  

I can think of some items I would like to see on the agenda:

1) rehash and agree on target community
   - application programers, not Grid folx...
   
2) rehash and agree on basic design principles
   - 80:20 rule
   - simplicity
   - known paradigms where possible/sensible
   --> which rules should govern the design?

3) shortly (!) discuss languages
   - c, c++, perl, python, java, fortran, ...
   --> one spec for all -> spec object oriented or not
   --> which should be addressed?  Explicitely?
   --> lessons learned in similar specs (GAT, DRMAA)

4) summarize basic requirements and paradigms
   - error tracking
   - auditing
   - tasks
   - workflow
   - bulk operations
   - QoS
   --> what should be addressed/kept in mind/ignored?

5) summarize current list of areas of interest
   - scope of previous work (CoG, GAT, Triana, RG, EGEE)
   - scope of use cases
   - derive list of potential 'subsystems'
     files, logical files, resources, 

6) pick one subsystem - preferably a simple one, of common
   interest

7) propose API, and iterate ;-)

8) if time, work on next subsystem



ome of these question could/should be addressed on the mailing
list before I guess, to minimize startup time at the meeting.

Just my 2 cents, 

  Andre.


PS.: the proposed answers I gave to the points 1-4 above are just
     illustrations, and not proposals... ;-)  Well, kind of :-P


> Also, we should have:
> 
> 1) A list of issues/topics on the table to be decided at the meeting
> 2) Homework to be done before the meeting, e.g., reviewing all the use 
> cases and other existing APIs
> 
> If everybody does their homework and if we know the major issues on the 
> table,
> then we can use our face-time much more effectively!
> 
> Also, Shantenu mentioned to me that he was going to pull in the relevant 
> use cases
> from OGSA.  That should help.
> 
> --Craig
> 
> 
> At 02:42 PM 11/17/2004, Christopher Smith wrote:
> >Ok ... thanks for the clarification Tom. Do we have some kind of agenda 
> >yet?
> >Or at least an idea as to what the format of the meeting will be?
> >
> >-- Chris
> >
> >
> >On 17/11/04 10:10, "Tom Goodale" <goodale at cct.lsu.edu> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> the intent was to meet from Monday to Friday.  If people arrive on Monday
> >> and leave on Friday we'll only have a three day meeting, which is 
> >probably
> >> not going to be very effective..
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Tom
> >>
> >> On Tue, 16 Nov 2004, Christopher Smith wrote:
> >>
> >>> I plan to fly in on Monday and leave Friday ... is this what everyone 
> >else
> >>> has in mind? I'm assuming the meeting will start on Tuesday morning. I 
> >need
> >>> to nail this down real soon.
> >>>
> >>> -- Chris
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 11/11/04 07:41, "Shantenu Jha" <s.jha at ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> All: Mark your calendars - The design meeting is confirmed for the 
> >13-17th
> >>>> December at LSU.
> >>>>
> >>>> Tom and I will send a more detailed note about what transpired at the
> >>>> SAGA-F2F (though only three of us were able to make it).  There will 
> >be a
> >>>> couple of conference calls in the run-up to the design meeting for 
> >agenda
> >>>> bashing etc.
> >>>>
> >>>> Tom/LSU folks: Who should people contact for help with local 
> >arrangements?
> >>>>
> >>>> More on this thread soon.
> >>>> Shantenu
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> So is there some kind of proposed agenda for this meeting (and is it 
> >still
> >>>>> planned for LSU)? I mostly need to start planning travel, and need 
> >to know
> >>>>> what days to fly in, etc.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -- Chris
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 1/11/04 16:30, "Andre Merzky" <andre at merzky.net> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Quoting [Keith Jackson] (Oct 29 2004):
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I can do that week. Unless we hear otherwise by Monday afternoon
> >>>>>>> california time, can we just plan on this?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Yes, fixing the date would be very helpful.  Works for me, in
> >>>>>> case I didn't say that, yet ;-)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Andre.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --keith
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Oct 29, 2004, at 2:03 AM, Andre Merzky wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hi all again ;-)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> There have been a number of date proposals for the planned design
> >>>>>>>> team meeting.  I am not really sure if there is any agreement by
> >>>>>>>> now, but it seems that December 13-17th is doable after all.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Could we try to come to a final decision soon? :-)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> However, we would like to propose Berlin (aka AEI Potsdam) as the
> >>>>>>>> European meeting place (AG node) - Hartmut volonteered to organize
> >>>>>>>> and host the meeting.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Are there other options for Europe?  Cardiff has been in
> >>>>>>>> discussion as well IIRC.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  Andre.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
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> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>



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