Revised F2F schedule and attendees list (Re: [ogsa-wg] Proposed agenda for Jan. 9th call)
Hiro Kishimoto
hiro.kishimoto at jp.fujitsu.com
Mon Jan 9 15:35:43 CST 2006
Hi all,
> 3) OGSA F2F meeting update (30 min)
> Session leaders: Please provide your goals and detailed
> agenda.
I've uploaded revised agenda (including two modification requests) and
attendees list as of today to GridForge.
https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/2005Winter_F2F_survay
https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/2006Jan-OGSA-F2F-agenda
Thanks,
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Hiro Kishimoto
Hiro Kishimoto wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I hope you and your family had a good holiday break and are
> looking forward to the new year.
>
> The following is a proposed agenda for OGSA-WG telecon on Jan. 9th
> Monday from 4pm to 6pm (CST).
>
> The dial-in number for Monday;
> Free: +1-866-639-4741
> Toll: +1-574-935-6703
> PIN: 8980700
>
> Screen share service will be provided.
> URL: http://ogsa.glance.net
> Session key: 0109
> See more explanation:
> http://www-unix.gridforum.org/mail_archive/ogsa-wg/2004/06/msg00077.html
>
> 1) Early discussion (10 min)
> Note taker assignment
> Roll call
> Telecon minutes approval (Dec. 19)
> https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/minutes20051219/en/1
> Do we have Jan. 11th telecon, since several people will be at
> GFSG F2F meeting?
> Agenda bashing
>
> 2) CDDLM-WG joint call (60 min)
> Jem has uploaded the revised version to the GridForge.
> - http://tinyurl.com/aez86
> Look forward to proofread and tracker verification.
>
> (1) Deployment and configuration section break-down
>
>> == Proposed list of sections ==
>>
>> 3.1 Provision (Deploy) an application on an existing BES container
>> (The application can then be used to instantiate a BES activity.
>> Mostly what is now 3.2 in EMS Architecture composition.)
>>
>> 3.2 Provision a BES container
>> (What is now 3.1 in EMS Architecture composition)
>>
>> [Both 3.1 and 3.2 assume that the 'level' of the BES container is
>> pre-determined and fixed. See below.]
>>
>> 3.3 Using ACS do 3.1
>>
>> 3.4 Using ACS do 3.2
>>
>> [Both 3.3 and 3.4 assume that the 'level' of the BES container is
>> pre-determined and fixed. See below.]
>>
>> 3.5 Add time predictions to provision 3.1 and 3.2 by a deadline
>> Using a deployment estimation service (perhaps based on
>> historical data, etc, but how the estimation is done is
>> out-of-scope.) Possibly requiring reservations.
>>
>> [3.5 assumes that the 'level' of the BES container is pre-determined
>> and fixed. See below.]
>>
>> 3.x Determine dynamically the optimal level of 'BES container' in the
>> system and provision containers appropriately depending on
>> workload etc
>> may depend on analysis of the entire application CDL (down to
>> hardware) for the entire workload of the system; use
>> deployment time predictions; etc
>>
>> <<Version 1 of the document could just cover scenarios 3.1-3.5 and
>> discuss 3.x as future work. Otherwise need to breakdown 3.x further.>>
>> ==
>
>
>
> (2) - Deployment versus provisioning requirements
>
>> (Or, where to 'cut' the CDL tree. Above the 'cut' point is
>> deployment---assumed to be a relatively 'light' operation---and
>> below is provisioning---assumed to be more heavy-weight.)
>> - Deciding the cut point is orthogonal to CDDLM---it is policy or
>> best practices and is therefore a system choice
>> - Information (metadata) to help in making the choice could be
>> added to the CDL as mark up
>> - CDDLM implementations have walked the tree fairly far down (to
>> the hardware) for deployment
>> - CDL may be sufficient to express both deployment and
>> provisioning. But it is an open issue if these two activities
>> can, or should be unified in this way in OGSA. In particular CDL
>> may not be going to the full extent of supporting costing, etc.,
>> that maybe needed to address all requirements
>> - Resources beneath the cut point can be considered as
>> pre-provisioned: they either exist or they don't. They are not
>> going to be deployed themselves; but they can be used to
>> deploy on.
>> - Which resource to choose for deployment? It is the choice of
>> the EMS architecture (EPS, CSG) and not of CDDLM.
>> - Discussion on how CDL may be viewed as a hierarchy of scripts;
>> and that one could have a history of costs associated with
>> each node. In other words the tree could be decorated with
>> other information (cost, etc, as metadata)
>
>
> (3) - JSDL and CDL relation and can one cover the requirements for the
>
>> other
>> - A JSDL submission may be associated with a deployment
>> description or request, and the deployment portion could be
>> described in CDL. [I.e., CDL could be a more specific
>> application
>> sub-type in a JSDL document.]
>> - JSDL is not intended to describe the configuration of the
>> software that will be used by the job. The aim is to describe
>> things at a higher level. There may be similarities between the
>> languages (perhaps around resource description) but it does not
>> mean that one language can, or should, replace the other because
>> they serve different purposes.
>> - Jay wants to pursue the issue further among a smaller group of
>> people.
>
>
> 3) OGSA F2F meeting update (30 min)
> Session leaders: Please provide your goals and detailed agenda.
>
> https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/2005Winter_F2F_survay
> https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/2006Jan-OGSA-F2F-agenda
>
>
> 4) Wrap up (10 min)
> AOB
>
> <NEXT CALL>
>
> OGSA-WG F2F Jan. 16-20.
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