[ogsa-wg] Paper proposing "evolutionary vertical design efforts"
David Snelling
David.Snelling at UK.Fujitsu.com
Fri Feb 17 15:26:00 CST 2006
Tom,
Basically I agree with you here, but this document was not written with
the OGSA Profile Definition (GFD-I.59) document in mind. A more careful
analysis wrt these guidelines will no doubt clarify some of these
issues.
Thanks for reading.
BTW: The discussion on this issue today went very well, and we will see
the actions listed in the minutes shortly.
On 17 Feb 2006, at 20:52, Maguire_Tom at emc.com wrote:
>
> I appreciate and agree with the perspective that suggests that OGSA
> functionality be profiled using existing agreed upon specifications.
> Are you suggesting WS-Security, WS-Trust, WS-SecureConversation, and
> WS-ReliableMessaging as those common, agreed upon, non-controversial
> specifications? Some of these are at Standard (WS-Security), some are
> at committee draft (WS-ReliableMessaging) and some of them are at
> editor drafts (WS-Trust, WS-SecureConversation). The GGF guidelines
> for OGSA Profile Definition (GFD-I.59) would require that a profile
> based on these specifications be classified as an Informational
> Profile (given the current state of the specifications). Further I
> would like to point out that the normative thorn in the side here
> continues to be WS-Policy.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>
> Mobile: +1-845-729-4806
>
>
>> From: owner-ogsa-wg at ggf.org [mailto:owner-ogsa-wg at ggf.org] On Behalf
>> Of Marvin Theimer
>> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 8:45 AM
>> To: ogsa-wg at ggf.org
>> Cc: Marvin Theimer; Savas Parastatidis; Tony Hey; Marty Humphrey;
>> gcf at grids.ucs.indiana.edu
>> Subject: [ogsa-wg] Paper proposing "evolutionary vertical design
>> efforts"
>>
>> Enclosed is a paper that advocates an additional set of activities
>> that the authors believe that the OGSA working groups should engage
>> in.
>>
>> Broadly speaking, the OGSA and related working groups are already
>> doing a bunch of important things:
>> · There is broad exploration of the big picture, including
>> enumeration of use cases, taxonomy of areas, identification of
>> research issues, etc.
>> · There is work going on in each of the horizontal areas that
>> have been identified, such as EMS, data services, etc.
>> · There is working going around individual specifications,
>> such as BES, JSDL, etc.
>>
>> Given that individual specifications are beginning to come to
>> fruition, the authors believe it is time to also start defining
>> “vertical profiles” that precisely describe how groups of individual
>> specifications should be employed to implement specific use cases in
>> an interoperable manner. The authors also believe that the process
>> of defining these profiles offers an opportunity to “close the design
>> loop” by relating the various on-going protocol and standards efforts
>> back to the use cases in a very concrete manner. This provides an
>> end-to-end setting in which to identify holes and issues that might
>> require additional protocols and/or (incremental) changes to existing
>> protocols. The paper introduces both the general notion of doing
>> focused vertical “design efforts” and then focuses on a specific
>> vertical design effort, namely a minimal HPC design.
>>
>> The paper derives a specific HPC design in a “first principles”
>> manner since the authors believe that this increases the chances of
>> identifying issues. As a consequence, existing specifications and
>> the activities of existing working groups are not mentioned and this
>> paper is not an attempt to actually define a specifications profile.
>> Also, the absence of references to existing work is not meant to
>> imply that such work is in any way irrelevant or inappropriate. The
>> paper should be viewed as a first abstract attempt to propose a new
>> kind of activity within OGSA. The expectation is that future open
>> discussions and publications will explore the concrete details of
>> such a proposal.
>>
>> This paper was recently sent to a few key individuals in order to get
>> feedback from them before submitting it to the wider GGF community.
>> Unfortunately that process took longer than intended and some members
>> of the community may have already seen a copy of the paper without
>> knowing the context within it was written. This email should
>> hopefully dispel any misconceptions that may have occurred.
>>
>> For those people who will be around on for the F2F meetings on
>> Friday, Marvin Theimer will be giving a talk on the contents of this
>> paper at a time and place to be announced.
>>
>> Marvin Theimer, Savas Parastatidis, Tony Hey, Marty Humphrey,
>> Geoffrey Fox
>>
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