[ogsa-wg] Proposed agenda for Dec. 14 call

Hiro Kishimoto hiro.kishimoto at jp.fujitsu.com
Wed Dec 13 02:58:06 CST 2006


Hi all,

Ellen has uploaded revised container model document and its diagram
to GridForge. Please have a look before the call on Thursday.

https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc14004
https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc14004

 >>      AI.11.09.pm-a: Ellen and Tom to write up a "Information Model
 >>                     profile document: BES Container"
 >> (EJS) Meeting with Tom Maguire on this item Tues 12/12.

Thanks,
----
Hiro Kishimoto

Hiro Kishimoto wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> The following is a proposed agenda for OGSA-WG telecon on Dec. 14th
> Thursday from 7am - 9am  (CST).
> 
> ** attention: new international number **
> 
> Dial-in numbers for Thursday:
>   Free: +1-888-452-0308
>   Intl/Toll: +(210) 234-7446
>   PIN:  71815
>   See more information:
>   - https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1477
> 
> Screen share service will be provided.
>   URL:         http://ogsa.glance.net
>   Session key: 1214
>   See more explanation:
>   https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1584
> 
> 1) Early discussion (20 min)
>         Note taker assignment
>         Roll call
>         Telecon minutes approval (Dec. 11)
>         - http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc14057
>         Action Items status review (see the bottom of this email)
>         Agenda bashing
> 
> 2) Information/data modeling (Ellen and Tom, 40 min)
> 
>>  > From Nov. 9 am F2F.
>>      AI-1109am-a: Ellen and Tom will review the error code/faults issue
>>                  further with a view to put a proposal forward to DMTF.
>>  (EJS) I had short discussion with DMTF person on this and will
>>  close with Tom Maguire on this when I meet with Tom on Tues 12/12.
>>
>>  > From Nov. 9 pm F2F.
>>      AI.11.09.pm-a: Ellen and Tom to write up a "Information Model
>>                     profile document: BES Container"
>> (EJS) Meeting with Tom Maguire on this item Tues 12/12.
>>
>>  > From Nov. 10 am F2F
>>      AI-1110am-a:   Ellen to look into WS-Policy and relationships to
>>                     what has been defined so far
>>                     Tom to Look at how to avoid overlap with WS-Policy
>>                     group
>> (EJS) Meeting with Tom Maguire on this item Tues 12/12.
> 
> 3) OGSA security discussion (Alan Sill and Andrew Grimshaw, 30 min)
> 
>        Very simple one-to-one, OGSA Basic Security Authentication
>        Profile proposal.
> 
>        OGSA-AuthN-WG charter proposal.
> http://www.ggf.org/gf/group_info/charter.php?review&group=OGSA-AuthN-WG
> 
> 4) OGSA workflow discussion (Andrew, 30 min)
> 
> Minutes from Nov. 30th call
>> - Mark runs the group through the slides "Workflow thoughts"   
>> provided by Andrew, Steve and Mark
>> - OGSA could either pick a specific Workflow language, and   alienate 
>> everybody else
>> - Alternatively, OGSA could pick none and create a new one,   and also 
>> alienate everybody else
>> - Orchestration and workflow must be separated
>> - OGF is best served with simplicity
>> - The proposal is as follows
>>   -- stay away from language and API specification
>>   -- Tightly scope WFDL (Workflow Definition Language)
>>   -- Ensure reasonable mappings from existing systems into WFDL
>>   -- Toos support
>>   -- Reuse as much existing as possible
>> - WFDL is XML based and describes directed graphs
>> - Nodes are WFDL, ord JSDL
>> - Nodes have labelled input and output
>> - Mark walks the group along a sample WFDL instance document
>> - Jay: This example is a dataflow graph, not a workflow graph
>>   -- Mark: Example 2 demonstrates other kinds of dependencies than
>>      data dependencies
>> - Jay: Dependencies should be expressed as resources produced and   
>> resources consumed
>> - The group discusses Jays suggestion
>> - Jay points out that the Workflow effort should be very carefully   
>> evaluated against the current other efforts related to JSDL
>> - Chris: Defining (yet another) WF language is probably a bad idea
>>   -- This would, among others, add delay
>>   -- Andrew: As pointed out on the slides earlier, picking a      
>> particular WF language or creating one is a matter of "choose your 
>> poison".
>>   -- Fabio: We probably should focus first on listing the requirements 
>> the      languuage should meet
>>   -- Jay: I believe it is possible to combine this workflow effort 
>> with current           efforts for JSDL and Information modelling
>> - The group discusses possible further steps from here on
>> - Andrew: After this first initial investigation, does OGSA think that 
>> the WF   issue is important enough to set forth a design team now, or 
>> postpone for
>>   the moment
>> - Andrew proposes to set up a separate phone connference with a 
>> specific WF agenda
>>   -- Jav and Michel support the idea
>> - The group discusses the appointment for the next WF call
>> - Jay proposes to use OGSA's Gridforge wiki to collect people's 
>> requirements,   dependencies, favourite existing WF solutions, etc. 
>> together to get an overview
>>   on what's necessary and what's not.
>>   -- The group reaches rough consensus to picck up this idea
> 
>         https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc14042
> 
> 4) Wrap up (10 min)
>         AOB
> 
> <*NEXT CALL*>
> https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1477
> 
> Dec. 18 (Mon) EGA reference model(Hiro Kishimoto and Paul Strong)
>               Roadmap document (Chris Jordan)
> Jan. 11 (Thu) Information/data modeling (Ellen and Fred)
>               OGSA workflow (Andrew Grimshaw)
> Jan. 15 (Mon) EGA reference model(Hiro Kishimoto and Paul Strong)
>               DMTF document review (Ellen Stokes)
> Jan. 18 (Thu) OGSA security (Alan Sill and Andrew Grimshaw)
>               OGSA workflow (Andrew Grimshaw)
> Jan. 22 (Mon) EGA reference model(Hiro Kishimoto and Paul Strong)
>               Roadmap document (Chris Jordan)
> Jan. 25 (Thu) OGF19 prep (Tom and Hiro)
> 
> 
> <*ACTION ITEMS*>
> https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1569
> 
>  > From Dec. 11 call
>   AI-1211a: Hiro to check with Takuya for any last minute changes and
>             submit "BP - Secure Channel" for publication
>   AI-1211b: Hiro will arrange for the management software demo session
>             not to conflict with any OGSA session at OGF19
> 
>  > From Nov. 30 call
>     AI-11.30a: Michel to talk with Tom and Ellen on how to go about
>                documenting his current proof of concept in the Info
>                model Arch doc.
> 
>  > From Nov. 9 pm F2F.
>     AI.11.09.pm-a: Ellen and Tom to write up a "Information Model
>                    profile document: BES Container"
>     AI.11.09.pm-c: Andrew to produce a document drafting the definition
>                    of QoS
>     AI.11.09.pm-d: Andrew to contact the HPCP WG regarding future
>                    involvement to create profile(s) on, e.g. BES, JSDL
>                    etc.
> 
>  > From Oct. 30 call.
>    AI-1030a: Ellen will contact the DAIS-WG chairs and request they
>              arrange a review DSP0225
> 
>  > From Sept. 15 OGSA F2F
>   AI-0915d: Tom will post BP base faults issue to tracker
> 
>  > From Aug. 17 call
>   AI-0817a: Dave Berry and Jay Unger will approach groups (GIN,
>              Globus, etc) that have implemented practical grids and
>              start a discussion on how they handle data:
>              - how data is treated as a resource that can be scheduled
>              - how transfers are modeled
>              - how files are advertised
>              - how applications find files (query, by knowledge,?)
>              (Due Oct. 9)
> 
>  > From July 20 F2F
> - EGR-WG (Ravi) will contact Geoffrey Fox and invites him to
>      contribute use cases.
> - Andreas to go through the minutes and formulate a reply mail to
>      Geoffrey on each artifact covered in these minutes.
> 
> Postponed:
> Until next reference model call (Dec. 11th):
>   AI-1023c: Tom volunteered to review Hiro's HPC Cluster use case
>             slides and make appropriate changes to indicate where the
>             CIM Profile would fit in and how it would link into the
>             Reference Model.
>   AI-1023d: Paul will add more items to list on slide 6 of the HPC
>             Cluster use case
>   AI-1023g: Hiro will look at other parts of slide 5 and identify
>             further possible refinements of this use case.
> ----
> Hiro Kishimoto
> 
> 



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