[ogsa-wg] Proposed agenda for Dec. 14 call
Hiro Kishimoto
hiro.kishimoto at jp.fujitsu.com
Wed Dec 13 02:58:06 CST 2006
Hi all,
Ellen has uploaded revised container model document and its diagram
to GridForge. Please have a look before the call on Thursday.
https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc14004
https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc14004
>> AI.11.09.pm-a: Ellen and Tom to write up a "Information Model
>> profile document: BES Container"
>> (EJS) Meeting with Tom Maguire on this item Tues 12/12.
Thanks,
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Hiro Kishimoto
Hiro Kishimoto wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> The following is a proposed agenda for OGSA-WG telecon on Dec. 14th
> Thursday from 7am - 9am (CST).
>
> ** attention: new international number **
>
> Dial-in numbers for Thursday:
> Free: +1-888-452-0308
> Intl/Toll: +(210) 234-7446
> PIN: 71815
> See more information:
> - https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1477
>
> Screen share service will be provided.
> URL: http://ogsa.glance.net
> Session key: 1214
> See more explanation:
> https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1584
>
> 1) Early discussion (20 min)
> Note taker assignment
> Roll call
> Telecon minutes approval (Dec. 11)
> - http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc14057
> Action Items status review (see the bottom of this email)
> Agenda bashing
>
> 2) Information/data modeling (Ellen and Tom, 40 min)
>
>> > From Nov. 9 am F2F.
>> AI-1109am-a: Ellen and Tom will review the error code/faults issue
>> further with a view to put a proposal forward to DMTF.
>> (EJS) I had short discussion with DMTF person on this and will
>> close with Tom Maguire on this when I meet with Tom on Tues 12/12.
>>
>> > From Nov. 9 pm F2F.
>> AI.11.09.pm-a: Ellen and Tom to write up a "Information Model
>> profile document: BES Container"
>> (EJS) Meeting with Tom Maguire on this item Tues 12/12.
>>
>> > From Nov. 10 am F2F
>> AI-1110am-a: Ellen to look into WS-Policy and relationships to
>> what has been defined so far
>> Tom to Look at how to avoid overlap with WS-Policy
>> group
>> (EJS) Meeting with Tom Maguire on this item Tues 12/12.
>
> 3) OGSA security discussion (Alan Sill and Andrew Grimshaw, 30 min)
>
> Very simple one-to-one, OGSA Basic Security Authentication
> Profile proposal.
>
> OGSA-AuthN-WG charter proposal.
> http://www.ggf.org/gf/group_info/charter.php?review&group=OGSA-AuthN-WG
>
> 4) OGSA workflow discussion (Andrew, 30 min)
>
> Minutes from Nov. 30th call
>> - Mark runs the group through the slides "Workflow thoughts"
>> provided by Andrew, Steve and Mark
>> - OGSA could either pick a specific Workflow language, and alienate
>> everybody else
>> - Alternatively, OGSA could pick none and create a new one, and also
>> alienate everybody else
>> - Orchestration and workflow must be separated
>> - OGF is best served with simplicity
>> - The proposal is as follows
>> -- stay away from language and API specification
>> -- Tightly scope WFDL (Workflow Definition Language)
>> -- Ensure reasonable mappings from existing systems into WFDL
>> -- Toos support
>> -- Reuse as much existing as possible
>> - WFDL is XML based and describes directed graphs
>> - Nodes are WFDL, ord JSDL
>> - Nodes have labelled input and output
>> - Mark walks the group along a sample WFDL instance document
>> - Jay: This example is a dataflow graph, not a workflow graph
>> -- Mark: Example 2 demonstrates other kinds of dependencies than
>> data dependencies
>> - Jay: Dependencies should be expressed as resources produced and
>> resources consumed
>> - The group discusses Jays suggestion
>> - Jay points out that the Workflow effort should be very carefully
>> evaluated against the current other efforts related to JSDL
>> - Chris: Defining (yet another) WF language is probably a bad idea
>> -- This would, among others, add delay
>> -- Andrew: As pointed out on the slides earlier, picking a
>> particular WF language or creating one is a matter of "choose your
>> poison".
>> -- Fabio: We probably should focus first on listing the requirements
>> the languuage should meet
>> -- Jay: I believe it is possible to combine this workflow effort
>> with current efforts for JSDL and Information modelling
>> - The group discusses possible further steps from here on
>> - Andrew: After this first initial investigation, does OGSA think that
>> the WF issue is important enough to set forth a design team now, or
>> postpone for
>> the moment
>> - Andrew proposes to set up a separate phone connference with a
>> specific WF agenda
>> -- Jav and Michel support the idea
>> - The group discusses the appointment for the next WF call
>> - Jay proposes to use OGSA's Gridforge wiki to collect people's
>> requirements, dependencies, favourite existing WF solutions, etc.
>> together to get an overview
>> on what's necessary and what's not.
>> -- The group reaches rough consensus to picck up this idea
>
> https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc14042
>
> 4) Wrap up (10 min)
> AOB
>
> <*NEXT CALL*>
> https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1477
>
> Dec. 18 (Mon) EGA reference model(Hiro Kishimoto and Paul Strong)
> Roadmap document (Chris Jordan)
> Jan. 11 (Thu) Information/data modeling (Ellen and Fred)
> OGSA workflow (Andrew Grimshaw)
> Jan. 15 (Mon) EGA reference model(Hiro Kishimoto and Paul Strong)
> DMTF document review (Ellen Stokes)
> Jan. 18 (Thu) OGSA security (Alan Sill and Andrew Grimshaw)
> OGSA workflow (Andrew Grimshaw)
> Jan. 22 (Mon) EGA reference model(Hiro Kishimoto and Paul Strong)
> Roadmap document (Chris Jordan)
> Jan. 25 (Thu) OGF19 prep (Tom and Hiro)
>
>
> <*ACTION ITEMS*>
> https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/wiki1569
>
> > From Dec. 11 call
> AI-1211a: Hiro to check with Takuya for any last minute changes and
> submit "BP - Secure Channel" for publication
> AI-1211b: Hiro will arrange for the management software demo session
> not to conflict with any OGSA session at OGF19
>
> > From Nov. 30 call
> AI-11.30a: Michel to talk with Tom and Ellen on how to go about
> documenting his current proof of concept in the Info
> model Arch doc.
>
> > From Nov. 9 pm F2F.
> AI.11.09.pm-a: Ellen and Tom to write up a "Information Model
> profile document: BES Container"
> AI.11.09.pm-c: Andrew to produce a document drafting the definition
> of QoS
> AI.11.09.pm-d: Andrew to contact the HPCP WG regarding future
> involvement to create profile(s) on, e.g. BES, JSDL
> etc.
>
> > From Oct. 30 call.
> AI-1030a: Ellen will contact the DAIS-WG chairs and request they
> arrange a review DSP0225
>
> > From Sept. 15 OGSA F2F
> AI-0915d: Tom will post BP base faults issue to tracker
>
> > From Aug. 17 call
> AI-0817a: Dave Berry and Jay Unger will approach groups (GIN,
> Globus, etc) that have implemented practical grids and
> start a discussion on how they handle data:
> - how data is treated as a resource that can be scheduled
> - how transfers are modeled
> - how files are advertised
> - how applications find files (query, by knowledge,?)
> (Due Oct. 9)
>
> > From July 20 F2F
> - EGR-WG (Ravi) will contact Geoffrey Fox and invites him to
> contribute use cases.
> - Andreas to go through the minutes and formulate a reply mail to
> Geoffrey on each artifact covered in these minutes.
>
> Postponed:
> Until next reference model call (Dec. 11th):
> AI-1023c: Tom volunteered to review Hiro's HPC Cluster use case
> slides and make appropriate changes to indicate where the
> CIM Profile would fit in and how it would link into the
> Reference Model.
> AI-1023d: Paul will add more items to list on slide 6 of the HPC
> Cluster use case
> AI-1023g: Hiro will look at other parts of slide 5 and identify
> further possible refinements of this use case.
> ----
> Hiro Kishimoto
>
>
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